FS: Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 Bass Manager

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m-rorem
m-rorem Posts: 58
edited November 2002 in Flea Market
Fellow Polk owners,

I am selling a "mint condition" Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 Bass Manager. If you SACD or DVD-Audio and don't know what this is, you should!

Includes:

Manual and original packaging materials
3 pairs of "Short-Stack" Outlaw Audio 1/2 meter PCA Audio Cables
Insured Priority US Mail!

If you need more info about the unit or cables, go to www.outlawaudio.com

Current retail pricing for the above package is $329.00 plus freight!

You can purchase the lot with shipping (as described above) for $260.00!

I accept paypal as payment
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  • capitan100
    capitan100 Posts: 172
    edited November 2002
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    I was reading about this on the website..,,If my DVD/SACD player does have the bass management system for SACD and has the menus to control the bass management as well as my receiver having it....I really don't need this unit...?

    Correct me if I am wrong....
    Home Theater
    Sony DA7ES 7.1 A/V Receiver
    Sony DVP-NC80V - SACD/DVD player
    CS400 - Center channel
    RT2000i - Fronts
    RT1000i - Surrounds
    a/d/s MS3/u - subwoofer
    Hitachi 62 inch HD TV

    2 Channel Room
    Niles HDL-4 Speaker Selector
    Niles HDL-6 Speaker Selector
    Sony V555ES receiver
    Sony DVP-S7700
    Polk SDA-2B
    Polk Monitor 5
    Thiel 03a
    B&W 2001 ZMF
    Signet SL-250 B/U
    a/d/s L400e
    Wharfedale Valdus 100SE
    Polk PSW 350 - subwoofer
    Pioneer Elite Big Screen
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  • m-rorem
    m-rorem Posts: 58
    edited November 2002
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    Hello Captain,

    That depends alot on your system and your specific dvd/sacd player. Very few players have decent bass management and even fewer receivers have bass management on their multi-channel inputs. What equipment do you have? (including speakers/subs)

    Thanks,

    Mark
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  • m-rorem
    m-rorem Posts: 58
    edited November 2002
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    Hello Captain,

    Just pulled me head out of my ______ and realized that you had already listed your equipment!

    I am quite sure that your Sony 555es receiver does not offer bass management on the analog multi-channel input (99% of the receivers on the market don’t) and if you chose to implement the digital bass management then you are significantly lowering the sound quality offered by a pure DSD SACD output.

    As far as your DVD/SACD player is concerned, to the best of my knowledge, Sony has not produced a DVD/SACD player to date that has more than very minimal bass management. Especially with the type of setup you have (full range front and surround speakers), unless you want your speakers high-pass filtered at 120hz (not logical for your set-up) or you want them to play full range (kind of a waste of sub-woofer).

    At least you are using full range speakers for all but center channel, most people are in a much less ideal situation (sat/sub or a mix of both).

    I do think you would see some advantages (more control) in your system, but not as much as most people.

    Thanks,

    Mark
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  • NDTA
    NDTA Posts: 83
    edited November 2002
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    Mr Capitan

    Look at the list of your equipment, you don't have any bass control management for your SACD and DVD-A, you want to tailor your system for SACD and DVD-A, you need the Outlaw outboard to control all of your big mondos speakers.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited November 2002
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    I'm kinda confused on the whole multichannel bass managment thing... If I have full range speakers around the horn why not keep the speakers on Large and not use a sub?

    I noticed alot of 2 channel guys putting their nose in the air and I have to wonder if bass management is overkill?

    I want to get into multi and will when the price is right but I'm going to deploy without Bass management and let it soak for awhile.

    HBomb
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  • capitan100
    capitan100 Posts: 172
    edited November 2002
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    My DVD/SACD player is the DVP-NC650V. It does have some sort of bass control management system for SACD on the menu screen. I can adjust the distance of speakers, level of speakers, and size of speakers. I can also do it on my receiver, but like m-rorem said, it probably doesn't work on the 5.1 ch inputs on the receiver. I know that the bass management system on my DVD player may not be quite as effective as this thing, but I'd like to hear the differences. Can anyone attest to the effectiveness of this item?
    Home Theater
    Sony DA7ES 7.1 A/V Receiver
    Sony DVP-NC80V - SACD/DVD player
    CS400 - Center channel
    RT2000i - Fronts
    RT1000i - Surrounds
    a/d/s MS3/u - subwoofer
    Hitachi 62 inch HD TV

    2 Channel Room
    Niles HDL-4 Speaker Selector
    Niles HDL-6 Speaker Selector
    Sony V555ES receiver
    Sony DVP-S7700
    Polk SDA-2B
    Polk Monitor 5
    Thiel 03a
    B&W 2001 ZMF
    Signet SL-250 B/U
    a/d/s L400e
    Wharfedale Valdus 100SE
    Polk PSW 350 - subwoofer
    Pioneer Elite Big Screen
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  • NDTA
    NDTA Posts: 83
    edited November 2002
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    Originally posted by HBombToo
    I'm kinda confused on the whole multichannel bass managment thing... If I have full range speakers around the horn why not keep the speakers on Large and not use a sub?

    HBomb

    the .1 channel is a dedicated channel, not using a sub you may loosing some bass infor that was intended in the recording, beside, you will need that sub to pickup the very low bass portion your full range speaker may not capable to pick up.

    To get a better results, you the an outboard bass management control or the receiver that have this feature built in. To deploy without it like you said, try to get the DVD-A or SACD players that have these feature built in. Go without both, you may need to call 911.:lol:
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited November 2002
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    I've been violated!:lol:
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited November 2002
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    Originally posted by NDTA
    the .1 channel is a dedicated channel, not using a sub you may loosing some bass infor that was intended in the recording...

    If he sets his speaks to large, the .1 channel is automatically redirected to the mains - he won't lose any bass information.

    Your point about the sub being better able to play the really low stuff has more merit, depending on what Henry's mains are.

    Ed
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited November 2002
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    Doc, I run the 800i's just like you but I also have tied in parallel my RTA8T's to them. I also run the CS400I bi-amped and the RT55 for my surround.

    For multi-channel music do you think that would suffice without bass management?

    Thanks
    Henry
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  • NDTA
    NDTA Posts: 83
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    here we go again, yes if you set your speaker to "large" the bass channel will be redirected to the front speakers, it only work on the digital connection, not on the analog connection of SACD and DVD-A, without the bass management control, you're are out in the cold bro. I guess you're not take my word for it, just try it out and see. Have a great holiday...
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
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    Originally posted by NDTA
    here we go again, yes if you set your speaker to "large" the bass channel will be redirected to the front speakers, it only work on the digital connection, not on the analog connection of SACD and DVD-A, without the bass management control, you're are out in the cold bro. I guess you're not take my word for it, just try it out and see. Have a great holiday...

    The true intent of my question was regarding my speakers and not the actual bass management. In no way was I doubting your advice and thanks for your help here NDTA.

    My thinking is that for a start, my multi-channel could be set up the same as 2 channel with the speakers on Large. While playing 2 channel I shut the sub off and keep speakers set to large so with the addition of multi-channel why not do the same for a start point.

    I'm sure that when I get my Sub situation set to my likeing then the ICBM would be a great addition.

    Onto Subs... I have never been satisfied with my PSW350 Sub and have a strategy for DIY'ing 1 just for **** and grins... but I'll probably upgrade when the DIY fails and just buy a better sub.

    For now, I don't have a dedicated HT/Sound room so I'm far off from being complete.;)

    HBomb
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
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    Originally posted by NDTA
    here we go again, yes if you set your speaker to "large" the bass channel will be redirected to the front speakers, it only work on the digital connection, not on the analog connection of SACD and DVD-A, without the bass management control, you're are out in the cold bro. I guess you're not take my word for it, just try it out and see. Have a great holiday...
    \

    I'll take your word for it - thanks for correcting me. This is a continuing education hobby for me.

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • xfontanax
    xfontanax Posts: 82
    edited November 2002
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    pristine condition RTi-35's in maple?
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  • m-rorem
    m-rorem Posts: 58
    edited November 2002
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    Hello,

    Sorry not really in the market for a pair of RT35i's plus the cost of getting them to Alaska would be prohibitive and not a good deal for you or me. It will cost me close to $35.00 to ship the ICBM (at about 15 lbs) to the lower 48 so imagine what a 45lb box of speakers would cost?

    I really need to sell my ICBM and cables a.s.a.p. so if anyone is interested I will accept a reasonable offer if you pay by paypal.

    Thanks again,

    Mark
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