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HBombToo
HBombToo Posts: 5,256
edited July 2002 in Flea Market
I am considering swapping my PSW350 for a SVS 16-46CS, "on Ron-P's recommendation". My PSW 350 is not even a year old and like New. The only reason for the swap is the response down to 16Hz.
I'd like to see what it may yield on the forum before making a decision. All bids welcome.

Henry
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  • nascarmann
    nascarmann Posts: 1,464
    edited June 2002
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    10 bucks!
    Oh, the bottle has been to me, my closes friend, my worse enemy!
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited June 2002
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    saving up for the race, are ya??
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  • nascarmann
    nascarmann Posts: 1,464
    edited June 2002
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    saving up for the race, are ya??

    :lol::lol:
    Oh, the bottle has been to me, my closes friend, my worse enemy!
  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited June 2002
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    Hunerd
  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited July 2002
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    HBombToo:

    I am also upgrading to SVS - 20-39PC+. I hope you have a decent amp for the 16-46CS - I would feed it at least 250w of clean high current power. The plate amp SVS uses for the PCi series which employs the same "standard improved" driver as the CS series you are considering is 320 watts.

    The PC+ amp will be 525 watts, and will include a 3 way subsonic filter, and continuously variable phase control - features not found on the PCi amp.

    Anyway, I sold both my PSW350's on Ebay for $265, and $230, respectively, including shipping. I only paid $550 for the pair, so I did very well. I got no serious offers on this forum, and they sold on Ebay within a week.

    I included three photos, a link to Polk's website, I started the bid at $195, I had Buy It Now set for $230, and I set shipping at $35 anywhere within the continental US.

    Good luck.

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited July 2002
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    Doc, Thanks for the response. I never sold on eBay so this is going to be a new experience for me.

    I would like your advice on my amp. I purchased the Outlaw 770 which is 7 channel @ 200 wrms into 8 Ohms or 300wrms into 4 Ohms. It is very clean @ an SNR of 119 and I have not heard a pop, hiss, cross talk or noise out of it, so, do you think it could drive the SVS-16's. I'm looking at the 16's because of the freq range but I would probably be happy with the 20.

    Your thoughts are appreciated in advance.
    Regards
    Henry
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited July 2002
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    HBombToo:

    I've read about that amp on Outlaw's website. It's a nice piece with stellar reviews - congrats! Man, that's some pretty serious scratch, even if it is a good value!

    I'm going to assume you have a 5.1 set-up, because you are referring to the SVS subs in plural (i.e., "16's", and I'm going to assume you are buying two of them?

    If that's the case, you should be able to use a Y-splitter and connect it to the sub out on your receiver or pre/pro and then connect two RCA cables from that into two of the Outlaw's seven channel inputs. From there, you can power each sub with a separate amp channel, and you still have five left for your regular speakers.

    If you are just using one sub and a 6.1 set-up, it gets even easier of course.

    As far as the Outlaw's ability to power the SVS, I'm certain it would do just fine. I think the SVS presents an nominal impedance of around 4 ohms, and this shouldn't pose much of a problem for the amp at all, and 200+ watts of Outlaw high current power would do very nicely in the Standard Improved driver, but might be a tad light for the Plus (db12) driver, which can take 500 watts.

    Also, the CS series, especially the 16's, can experience driver unloading or "flopping" at very high volumes and very low frequencies, because this sub is tuned for 16 Hz and will play flat down to around 12 Hz with corner placement in a typical non-anechoic HT room. If you are planning on pushing the 16's hard, you should invest in a tunable subsonic filter and set it for 15 Hz with a steep roll-off to avoid abusing the driver on DVDs like U-571 and Fight Club, both of which have significant subsonic signal content.

    Due to its tuning point, the 16 will not play as loud as the 20, and the 25 will play louder still. Expect a 5-6 dB loss of overall volume capability from the 16 vs. the 25 for any given driver (Improved or Plus). If you are set on the 16, I'd get two for best punch and volume capability.

    Unless you are into organ music, the 20 is the best compromise IMHO, and will be flat to about 16 Hz in typical HT rooms. The subsonic filter should still be used on the 20 though, for the same reasons as stated above.

    Have fun with that Outlaw!!!!!!!

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited July 2002
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    Doc, Again Thankyou very much. I think I may rethink the 16 for the 20 but I can only buy 1 because :LOL

    I have used all but 1 port on the Outlaw for biAmping my front stage and WOW what a difference.

    Sony 57" Widescreen
    Mains: RT800i X 2 BiAmped
    Center: CS400i BiAmped
    Sub: PSW350 "Currently" May now be the SVS 20
    Surrounds: RTA8T X 2 Totally rebuilt with drivers/tweeters and crossovers. Note: I use the main Amps, 2X85W, in my HK520 AVR to drive the surround by crossconnecting the surround Right/Left Pre out into the Main Amp in Right/Left then out to the surrounds. Works Great! Use Avilla calibration CD for setting levels

    AVR: H/K 520
    DVD: Cal Audio Lab CL-20
    VCR: Zenith for Blues Clues and Wiggles:)
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited July 2002
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    HBombToo:

    You're welcome - sounds like an extreme set-up!!! Some creative connections you have goin' on there!

    You will notice a HUGE difference in the low end when you deep six the 350 and get the SVS. I like the sound of the 350 very much, and two of them were very powerful in my room, but I was amazed at what the 350 doesn't play in the below-30 Hz range.

    Check out the B-stock on the SVS website and see if you can't scrounge up a CS on the cheap. You might save an extra $50 over even the sales price.

    The SVS01 Bass Box by Marchand will deliver a bunch of gain to your Outlaw (if you need it - some sub pre-outs are weak in the signal strength department and present a voltage and impedance mismatch to certain amps), and also has a tunable subsonic filter. It would be a good investment to protect your CS sub.

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited July 2002
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    Your Right Doc, my settup is rather unique from most configurations I have seen on the post but there are reasons this. I have never been happy with the low frequency sweep on the settup disk, just sounded to discontinuous to me. Even though, Mr. Di Como consideres my method, "Half Baked", by setting the crossover on the AVR to 80Hz and adding an additional amp for the lows on the 800i's seems to have settled this down. I have achieved a very continuouse SPL reading through the sweep to within 3dB on C weght as compared to greater than +/- 12dB variations. I realize that true Bi-Amping would require an external crossover but I figure the Polk Engineers have engineered the 800i's with a certain intent and I see no reason to re-engineer what they have settled on. From a rookies point of view I perceive greater clarity from voice through the very high and a more fluid base response through the sweep. The 800i's perform very well in this configuration. It is interesting to note that after crossconnecting the rear surrounds through the H/K fronts, only a minor up adjustment was required to hit 85dB across all speakers. It will be interesting to see how the 770 handles the very low frequencies but according to Outlaws Spec, it is Flat within 3dB down to 5Hz. We'll See!

    This hobbie of ours is very interesting to say the least and my configuration will probably never stay the same. Thanks for your time, I'm learning a lot and any help is always wecomed.

    Regards
    Henry
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