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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    Ricardo,

    You're too much, man. I appreciate the understanding. We'll get you an intereconnect, whether custom built or an original. Let me know what you want to do.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • hotwheelman
    hotwheelman Posts: 1,300
    edited September 2005
    Thats weird, I have sent reply to the two that you have sent to me so I am not sure why it would not show up bro. I will try to send again in a bit let me know if it makes it to ya.
    "Its worked so far but we're not out yet."
    "Hey big man let me hold a dollar"
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    Noel,

    Looked into DarqueKnight's thread.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30467

    Actually, the blade-blade carries signal in both blades; I ordered the connectors here:

    https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=750-3200&SEARCH=P%2D302%2DCCT&ID=&DESC=P%2D302%2DCCT

    I guess I'll get them late next week. I'll try to make the connection with a standard speaker wire for now..should hold ok.

    Don't worry man.....

    Edit: second link was wrong..
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    Thats weird, I have sent reply to the two that you have sent to me so I am not sure why it would not show up bro. I will try to send again in a bit let me know if it makes it to ya.


    Weird it is; you can e-mail me here rgarcia1@cinci.rr.com
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2005
    I was out all day at the park having my daughters 7th birthday party, I totally forgot you all were exchanging the speakers todays..

    Let me clear a few things up,

    1. I do have the cable, as mentioned its ok but the ends could use replacing as they are getting loose on one end.. But it does work, new spades will fix it.. I actually forgot to send the cable after packing those monsters.. Its available just send me an address, A pm would of sufficed..

    2. I did disclose the edge chips however your pictures look worse then they were, possibly the long trip via fed ex.. I'm full disclosure when i sell , if they were bad i would have mentioned it..

    3. Far as the tweeter screws, those arent the originals and have been in/out a few times with the olds to the news and after multi thousand mile trip i'm sure they may have worked loose in a already worn hole.. However they werent loose for me and never backed out after countless hours and months of use.. alittle elmers glue in the holes will tighten them back up..


    I asked Noel to inspect them before he delivered them to you for this very reason, shipping damage or what not.. I'm sure if he did he didn't notice any of these small problems.. He's a stand up guy and will take care of what ever needs to be taken care of..

    Hope this straightens out any questions... :)

    Glad they remain in the family!!!
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    Faster,

    Hey...just be cool man; I am not complaining or blaming you for anything :):)

    In fact, I must say you made a hell of a good job packing those beasts, and I doubt they suffered any damage in the way; if the chips seem worst it might be the camera flash or something, and as I mentioned, I was fully aware of you mentioning them in your original post; easy there.

    On the screws; just wanted to show how I got them; will use some wood filler or glue to fix that; nothing to be too worried about. After all, these babies were not born yesterday...

    I will PM my addy and would appreciate you ship the interconnect; I do plan to make one, but maybe fixing yours will be easier...

    And as Noel said, now that I'm back I will start playing :D:D:D

    Edit: I asked Noel not to open/check them; wanted to keep the packaging for the trip back...just in case.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited September 2005
    Fire those babies UP and let us know how they sound :D
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,505
    edited September 2005
    with the silk tweets, I know how they sound, and they sound good. Still have a pair in my basement for when I am in the SDA mood.
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Wiim Ultra. Jolida CD player. Fiio k11 R2R DAC, XTZ as300 Edge amp. Focal Cobalt 826 towers,

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Classe Audio 5 Preamp, DIY1200as2 Icepower Amp x 2, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E70 Velvet DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Polk LSi15's with MM840 woofer upgrade.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Schitt Saga 2 preamp, Topping a90 headphone amp, Mac Mini, Audiophonics Hypex NC252m amp, Polk r200's
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    Ricardo,

    What kind of music do you have laying around?
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2005
    Believe me i was being cool, :D

    I was just clearing some things up, It's my rep being they came from me.. If something gets sold and then on to a 3rd party sight unseen the item should always be inspected prior, Then the original seller is not in the picture any longer and its between the buyer and the new seller. It keeps things simple. Ive sold online for many years and have learned over time to take precations like this, I'll send the cable ... Enjoy the speakers
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    Cliff,

    As Ricardo said, he asked me to not unbox them. As per our discussion, I was ready to bring a receiver to work to test them. He said not to, because of him having to travel with them. I think they came out pretty damn good, considering the 1200 or so miles they traveled with Fed EX. You did a fantastic job packing them.

    All involved get positive feedback from me :)
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    So I hooked them up with my Denon and listened a bit without the interconnect; used pure direct to get signal only to the mains.

    After a little while I turned off and used a 14 gauge speaker wire as interconnect, top blade to top blade, bottom to bottom; turned on, and after a few seconds the Denon shut down...guess went on protection mode.

    Hmmmm..checked to make sure there was no contact in any point between top and bottom blades, and decided to take the interconnect out and listen a bit more without it; thought that maybe the 4 ohms thing was too much for the Denon, and it just happened to trigger protection after the interconnect was in place....I know, that would be a big coincidence...

    I gave it a good half hour of listening with no problem; gave it enough juice as to confirm that the 4 ohms was not an issue and decided to try again the interconnect; fitted the speaker wire, double checked no crossing upper with bottom blade, and turned on again. In less than 3 seconds the Denon shut down again.

    Here is when I decide to stop testing and ask for help; any ideas out there of what could be going on? What am I doing wrong or where should I look?

    Oh, and how do they sound without the interconnect? Well, different... not "bad" different, but keep in mind all I can compare them is with a pair of RTi8's, and also that I am no audiophile and have no clue of what terms such as "image" or "stage" mean. In my simple words:

    -high's in the 8's are a lot brighter; every time I switched back from the SDA's to the 8's they seemed more brighter...made me wonder why I had never noticed that.

    -On the lows, at lower volumes initially seemed that the 8's had more punch, but then after going back and forth, it seems to me that the 8's actually emphazise (if that's the right word) on highs and lows, leaving very little to the mids, while the SDA's were more uniform across the whole frequencies; sounded more balanced, and I really liked those 'smoother' highs.
    At higher volumes though it seems to me that the 8's tend to balance better across low-mid-highs, than what they do at lower volumes, if that makes any sense. The SDA's, seem to keep the balance at different volumes, and at high volume you can feel the punch from the SDA's.

    All this without a sub.

    So that's it after a little listening without the interconnect; not sure how much I'm missing from the SDA's...

    Looking forward to hear some suggestions on the interconnect issue....
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2005
    Now i may get some differences in opinion, But the SDA effect doesnt always sound good on all music.. I liked the cable unhooked sometimes for a more direct sound on some music.. The cable opens the sound stage up and of course makes them louder as its adding 1 tweeter and 2 mid woofers to the mix..

    far as the cable, your denon isnt seeing a huge load without the cable, ie: 1 tweeter and 2 mid woofers each speaker, when you hook the cable up it powers all 8 woofers and 2 tweeters, hence why your denon may be going to protect mode.. what model denon you have?

    also, you havent even started to hear the bass and loudness of those speakers with a receiver, Before i sold them i hooked them to my 3803 denon and although they sounded good.. it wasn't enough power.. however i did use the interconnect and it didn't trip the protect mode..

    I ran those with a parasound 1200II amp and they sounded fantastic, also ran them on a adcom 555,and a rotel, all nice amps but you do need power to power all those drivers.. I suspect you maybe crossing wires and would wait till my interconnect gets there..
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    Faster,

    I have the 3803 also. Anyway, will wait for your cable; also the HK3480 should be here Monday or Tuesday, so no more testing with the Denon.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    Ricardo,

    Yeah, I'm with Cliff on this one. Just be patient and wait till the ic arrives. You have gotten a partial feel for the 1Bs and wait till you get the full effect. The HK will power them quite a bit better than the Denon. Not knocking Denon at all, so please guys, don't take it that way. I just know from personal experience, what a HK 2 channel receiver will/can provide for the SDAs. Is it the beat all
    ??... NO, but it has plenty of high current watts to drive the 1Bs to levels that would run most people out of the room.

    Now, would 120 wpc(@8 ohms) HK receiver watts be better than the 50-60 watts(also @8 ohms) watts he'll have available from the Adcom amp he has on the way??? That's the big question. On paper, the HK "SHOULD" be the victor, but..... Now, I am of the opinion, the only "REAL" way to find out is to just hook them suckers up and a/b them. That's my opinion. What do the rest of yous guys think?

    I feel real bad that you couldn't get to play with them correctly right off the bat. I'll get you taken care of asap. Let me know your addy so that if the ic that Cliff is sending doesn't suffice, I can send you my ic from the 2Bs that aren't being used, right now anyways :D . I have to find someone that can help me out with making one of those "SPECIAL" non-common ground ics(not the polk A1) with the jumpers that go to the negative binding posts on each speaker like this one on post 46 http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27621&page=1&pp=30
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,419
    edited September 2005
    HT,

    Aren't you the one who said you had an Adcom 535 in addition to the Denon? Try hooking the Adcom up using the pre outs on your Denon, it's worth a try. If I'm mistaken and confusing you with another thread....nevermind :confused: .

    As far your Denon shutting down....I don't own SDA's but I'm very familiar with them. My guess is possibly the home made cable is at fault. Even with all drivers running the Denon shouldn't shut down so quickly. If you do use the Adcom and there is a problem w/ the cable connected you'll blow the fuses in the Adcom so get some spares ahead of time if your going to experiment. It's easy to change the fuses, just a bit of a pain in the a$$.

    Good luck and keep us posted. You'll really be in a new world when the correct cable arrives :) .

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    H9,

    His Adcom is "in the mail" :p
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2005
    yeah the 1b's are somewhat power hungry, being/getting loud and actually hearing thier potential is 2 different things.. I powered those with 5 watts from a modded sonic impact and they got pretty loud.. was thier bass, Not really.. did they shine? NO.. id say 60 watts from the adcom will be equal not greater then the HK.. The speakers won't shine IMO untill you get a separetes amp around 120 watts range and up to 200 watts... Ive tried alot of different power on the 1B's and 325 watts from the parasound was RIGHT THERE! and the best rig i have put together, interconnect or not.. If the speakers arent sounding good the cable won't help.. Its the lack of power. these speakers and similiar 1B's 2B's, 1C's all sound great with no SDA cable.. the Cable is just the icing on the cake on some recordings , BUt NOT all...

    The cable i'll send ya works fine, new official ends will work and look better, my ends are crude, i used hot glue to form holders for the terminals so its not showroom :D quality.. But will suffice till ya get different ends or new spades
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,419
    edited September 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    H9,

    His Adcom is "in the mail" :p

    Oh...I thought he said he had one sitting around, my bad :).

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    Ricardo,

    What kind of music do you have laying around?

    Noel,

    Don't have much....I'm one of those guys that for one reason or another never really started a music collection. I pretty much like everything if it sounds good to my ears; probably country is lower in the list, and I guess that's because did not grow up in the U.S.

    Most of the cd's I own no one would recognize... salsa, boleros, typical Venezuelan music (basically harp, "cuatro" which is a four string guitar and "maracas"; good recordings are a pleasure to my ears and very relaxing). Also pop and rock in Spanish.

    From the ones you might recognize, I have Rush, Yes, Journey, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Phil Collins, Yanny and a few others. Not a lot anyway...

    Found this on the web; this group was among the best..

    http://aris.ss.uci.edu/rgarfias/kiosk/jvtorrealba.html
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited September 2005
    HTrookie wrote:

    From the ones you might recognize, I have Rush, Yes, Journey, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Phil Collins, Yanny and a few others. Not a lot anyway...
    ]

    Pretty much everything that is in the above list will completely rock on SDAs :)
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2005
    Just an update...found out why the Denon was shutting down when I used a normal speaker wire between the SDA's..... Today I made an interconnect with the connectors I ordered, and realized that the blade connectors are "opposite" in each speaker; one speaker has the wide blade on top, and one has the narrow blade on top. When I used the speaker wire I just connected top to top and bottom to bottom (yes...should have LOOKED BETTER.....)

    I was wondering if this was because someone had made a mistake when putting the connectors, but I saw the same thing on some pictures on ebay...... coincidence or were they really built like this??? Anyway, they are sounding better and better!!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/CLASSIC-POLK-AUDIO-SDA-1-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ5814004656QQcategoryZ71571QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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