Another TV post!
codyc1ark
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Hi all -
Long time! Hope everyone has been well! Looking to make a system purchase for the first time in a while and might be the start of something all new but buying a new TV is at the top of the list. Currently I'm looking at the 77" Sony Bravia 8 OLED - It's a basement space so light isn't a concern. Am I missing something on this set vs. an LG or Samsung at the $2k range in this size? Anybody want to talk me into going with let's say a TCL QM8 series at 85"? I'll be sitting about 10' away. Picture attached for reference!
Long time! Hope everyone has been well! Looking to make a system purchase for the first time in a while and might be the start of something all new but buying a new TV is at the top of the list. Currently I'm looking at the 77" Sony Bravia 8 OLED - It's a basement space so light isn't a concern. Am I missing something on this set vs. an LG or Samsung at the $2k range in this size? Anybody want to talk me into going with let's say a TCL QM8 series at 85"? I'll be sitting about 10' away. Picture attached for reference!
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Probably a fine choice. AVSforum will give you much more feedback though. OLED is great in a light controlled room.
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The TCL QM8 is a mini-LED set rather than OLED. They call it QLED for some reason. I'd go OLED in a light controlled space. I've had great quality/reliability experiences with Sony TVs for decades so I'd just stick with them if in the market.
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@codyc1ark ,
I just saw that BestBuy, Walmart, and Amazon all have a big sale on the Bravia 8. Hopefully you didn't buy one yet. If you did, maybe you can get custom service to price match? That is, unless you bought from another vendor... -
Some great prices at my local Best Buy on 75" TV's I've also found out they are carrying Panasonic OLED and LED lines. My Sony 950g has been a stellar TV so I'm in no hury to replace it unless something unfortunate happens.
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Went with the 77" Sony XR8B, picked it up this afternoon from a local BB. Unboxing will have to wait for a few days
- It's going to be a tv-go-around and everything is going to have to get re-hung. Ugh.
The new one is going on a flex mount deal, we've got a game table at the other end of the room so it'll be nice to be able to pull it out and angle it when we're in that area. Should be cool. Should be.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6GFBVP6?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title -
I prefer Sony OLED over all other OLED tv's. I like their processing and video black scale decisions much more. Some Prefer LG's version, which is still a very good set. Samsung can go fly a kite as far as I'm concerned as well as all others. LG is my second choice as they make incredible OLED TVs.
Glad you grabbed the XR8B which is a more affordable version of the Bravia 8. You'll never know the difference between any of the OLED's unless you Side by side and the differences are small. Even LG vs Sony small differences, both companies are excellent.
Funny you picked up the XR8B, I'm considering giving on a test drive and replacing my older Z9D.Dan
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I was just in walmart and I see they have TCL 85'' tv's on closeout for $558. I don't need a tv but I can't help but wonder is something a lot better due to be released soon? That seems really cheap for big screen tv. It doesn't seem that long ago that I paid several thousand $ for a 65" projection tv that was the size of an economy car.
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I got my Sony 65X850B more than ten years ago for $2500 on sale. Still working flawlessly with heavy use. A much better Bravia 8, Bravia 8 II, or Bravia 9 are selling for less now!
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I've also noticed that several stores have large panels 80"+ for practically give away prices. I actually noticed a month or more ago that Sam's club had 85" TV's from LG, Samsung and Vizio knocked down to less than $900 and some at $700. I had read in my audio/visual magazine that prices were due to make a Sharp reduction, I never expected it to be near as much.
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Dang, that XR8B is a great price for a 77" OLED!!! XR8B is definitely the smart buy now, in 65 or 77 sizes at least. LG seems to get the reviewer's nod more often, but that seems to be mostly because of the gaming features. I'd much rather have the Sony interface and the Sony image processor than 144Hz for gaming (which I don't have any ability to run anyway). I'm still very happy with the image of my 2020 model Sony OLED. When it dies, hopefully Sony is still making affordable OLEDs and haven't cheapened out on the image processor.
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Be wary of the prices of TVs at the discount clubs such as BJs or Sams.
They usually are not a deal compared with Amazon, Walmart, or even BH Photo sometimes. I have been reading up quite a bit on Consumer Reports lately, so that makes me an expert lol. I may end up "cheaping out" and going with a TOTL TCL panel - they seemed to have upped their game with 65+ inch screens. That or a BOTL OLED may be the route. -
Really thinking about pulling the trigger on a Sony Bravia 9.
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Be wary of the prices of TVs at the discount clubs such as BJs or Sams.
They usually are not a deal compared with Amazon, Walmart, or even BH Photo sometimes. I have been reading up quite a bit on Consumer Reports lately, so that makes me an expert lol. I may end up "cheaping out" and going with a TOTL TCL panel - they seemed to have upped their game with 65+ inch screens. That or a BOTL OLED may be the route.
If you can squeeze $1200 into your budget, I don't think there is any reason to worry about the features or quality of that Sony XR8B. It is basically last year's Bravia 8 minus one or two features that most would recommend disabling anyway (ie: adaptive contrast). -
skipshot12 wrote: »Really thinking about pulling the trigger on a Sony Bravia 9.
The Bravia 9 is one hell of a Tv, if you go that route, you're gonna love it. It's awesomeDan
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So people talk about OLED as if it's not bright enough for a lit room. So let me refresh some of you and educate others. TV's years ago only had a light output of 100 NITS. OLED is 500-1000 nits. They are amazingly bright. Now they don't compete with the light torches of LED which some can get into the 1600 and beyond nit light level. Nit if you are wondering is just another stupid measure of light output. Video mostly pisses me off. I have installed tons of OLED's in brightly lit rooms with no issues. Plasma as a reference was also 100 nits.Dan
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I ended up replacing my main backlit/edgelit LED set with a Sony Bravia 8 II QD-OLED last week. Mainly to get a set with Dolby Vision HDR. My previous TV was released a year or two before Sony started incorporating HDR. Recent price drops were too tempting. TVs technology has come a long way in ten years. It's plenty bright!
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My Sony OLED burned my eyes until I changed to Dolby Vision Dark and then still turned town the level by a couple ticks. Yeah, If the sun is blazing in the windows with the blinds open, you probably don't want to watch dark scene programing, but sports and other non-cinematic material look great even in the brightest room.
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Same experience here. No idea what the Dolby Vision Vivid setting is supposed to be for. The screen on my new set is less reflective than the old one so that helps a lot too.
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Bahahaaaa.... turn down the brightness.
I actually thought about the Bravia 8 but being an OLED my worries are burn-in. Having a couple of Panasonic plasma's I know how easily that can happen.
We watch a lot of sports and news outlets that have stationary banners which, if not do diligence is taken will eventually burn images into the screen. The Panasonic ZT Plasmas have all the pixel shifting and screen wiping features to help prevent this but one has still has to be mindful in preventing the burn.
Our ZT's do have a slight screen burn, very slight, but they are many years old at this point. Although the burn-in is very minor, have to point it out to the whiff for her to see it but... I'm anal and want zero.
The LED's have come a long way. Sony's LED's are now able to stand toe to toe with the best OLED's.
It would be nice to not have to worry about the BURN!
Was really interested in the Sony BRAVIA XR Z9K Master Series, when first introduced, but holy moly the price was insane.
With the new Bravia 9 and it's price, oh yea.
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Re: Screen burn in...The OLED's have largely fixed major burn in issues since the 3rd generation. They are now up to at least 7th gen? They also use screen wipe, pixel shifting, etc to reduce burn in.
If you look at the RTings multi-year accelerated tests, most of the LED backlight sets show just as many image issues and tend to fail at about the same rate that OLEDs show burn in.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
That's a long page, but if you scroll way down, you can see the 30 month comparison photos between all the sets that are still working. That's in excess of 20000 hours of CNN programming.
So, burn in, backlight failure, or LCD matrix failure? No real advantage to one over the other. Unless you watch one channel with a fixed banner constantly, it shouldn't be an issue. If your 10+ year old Plasma TVs only show mild burn in, you could expect a similar, if not better result from modern OLED.
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I was on the fence for a while regarding OLED technology but have had a 48 inch screen for a few years now with no issues. It's not a primary set but gets a fair amount of use on XBox and video streaming. It's not used for regular TV programming. I'm not so sure that image retention is the main issue these days but uneven wear as the entire screen naturally dims over time may be. But that's only if taken to extremes in usage over a long period of time from what I understand. And after a long period it's time to get a new set anyway.
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Re: Screen burn in...The OLED's have largely fixed major burn in issues since the 3rd generation. They are now up to at least 7th gen? They also use screen wipe, pixel shifting, etc to reduce burn in.
If you look at the RTings multi-year accelerated tests, most of the LED backlight sets show just as many image issues and tend to fail at about the same rate that OLEDs show burn in.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
That's a long page, but if you scroll way down, you can see the 30 month comparison photos between all the sets that are still working. That's in excess of 20000 hours of CNN programming.
So, burn in, backlight failure, or LCD matrix failure? No real advantage to one over the other. Unless you watch one channel with a fixed banner constantly, it shouldn't be an issue. If your 10+ year old Plasma TVs only show mild burn in, you could expect a similar, if not better result from modern OLED.
LED TV's do not suffer from Screen Burn-In.
LED TV's can get Image Retention though, but....
Image Retention is something completely different than Screen Burn-In. Screen Burn is permanent while Image Retention is temporary and can lessened with Pixel Shifting and eliminated with Screen Wiping.
Failures.... Pixel failures are inherent with all TV's and cannot be prevented except with Plasma's.
Plasma TV's did have failures which were called Zone Failures. Zone Failures happened frequently with the lower priced Plasma's.
Zone Failures are lessened with the Quality of Build in the higher end Plasma's, but still cannot be prevented.
The ZT Panasonic Plasma's were the equivalent to Sony's Master Series TV's, all are hand picked to be the best of the best. Much less failures with those but, that comes with a premium price tag.
Even the Sony Master Series A95K OLED, pictured in the link, showed Burn-In.
Again, an OLED TV.
The screen issues with the LED's are a failure of Backlighting, as shown in the "Link" and have nothing to do with Screen-Burn. Nothing can prevent that. All TV's can have failures.
LCD's also have Backlighting Failures and again, nothing can prevent that.
Also, all TV's now can have failures with Pixels. That can also be lessened in going with Sony's Master Series hand-picked TV's... but you have to pay for that level of quality.
My concern with Screen Burn is from actual experience.
My VT & ZT both have the BURN as stated above. I am extremely vigilant with Screen Wiping & Pixel Shifting with regards to watching Static Banner content when viewing sports or news. Even due diligence they have the BURN.
The VT & ZT Panasonic's, even back then, came with Pixel Shifting & Screen Wiping technology.
I have both and they do have screen Burn-In now and, I am diligent with Screen Wiping.
That's the reason for my concern with OLED's.
If I'm paying $2-$3k for a new TV I want the most prevention available along with "Top O Line" picture performance.
I'm slightly more anal with my TV's than with my audio addiction, it's a curse I say.
As far as "largely fixed"... yes to a point but, not eliminated.
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Man, I can talk TV's all day....😬
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False.LED TV's do not suffer from Screen Burn-In.
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I think you missed my point. Yes, OLED can burn in if you are careless, but regardless of that, many of the LCD (LED backlight) sets show significant degradation of the image in the same time period of torture testing.
BTW, as has been pointed out here, you don't need to spend $2k-$3k for a set these days. Excellent 65” OLED models are available for $1500 or less. -
I hate to sound like a broken record, but OLED just looks better.
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Conradicles wrote: »I hate to sound like a broken record, but OLED just looks better.
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False.LED TV's do not suffer from Screen Burn-In.
It's not as common but it does happen.
Where?
Ok ok, I try not to do the literal word game when someone makes a statement, I prefer facts with actual experiences.
When I said LED TV's don't get screen burn that can be argued that I said it's impossible.
I was overzealous in my wording, bad Skip, you got me there dang meeee.
Highly unlikely to not burn-in, for home use, should have been my statement.
I'll make this corrected "personal" statement...
LED TV's do suffer from image retention and highly unlikely to burn in when used in "the real world", at home.
An LED TV that has suffered from actual burn-in would probably, or most likely, have to have been induced on purpose to prove it can happen or, used in an extreme static use environment.
Maybe CNET's lab testing can induce burn on LED TV's or, in extreme cases of use with static displays in some commercial settings?
Almost, almost, nothing's impossible but I do have some examples of impossible 😬
I would like to see some actual examples of Screen-Burn-In on an LED TV. Including ones used in testing or in extreme environments.
I've personally owned many LED TV's and have never experienced the BURN.
Has your LED TV's suffered from screen burn?
Anyone here had an LED TV suffer from screen burn?
I seriously would like to know and see this, I'm always wil;ling to learn from others.
I don't care for searching definitions as I speak from knowledge and experience but, I'll play the search & find definition game.
Another "Quote"...
"While traditional LED/LCD TVs are generally not susceptible to permanent burn-in like OLED or older Plasma TVs, they can experience temporary image persistence (ghosting) from static images"
"generally not" means not likely.
Also means, it could happen but not probable.
So with that, I'll stand on my corrected personal statement.
Another "Quote"...
"CNET has not published recent tests showing LED TV burn-in, as LED TVs are not susceptible to it. The term "burn-in" technically refers to a permanent image persistence that occurs in technologies like plasma and OLED, not LED TVs. While some sources mention "image retention" on LED screens, this is different from burn-in and is often temporary and caused by static images."
Keep it coming, this is a good stuff...
