Monitor 4 upgrades

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  • DeRod
    DeRod Posts: 229
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,045
    edited November 25
    DeRod wrote: »
    If I did sell tickets @mhardy6647 would be the first to buy some .. he loves these little speakers. He was commenting on how great they sound and dreaming of having a pair 🤣🤣🤣 ... of speakers that is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    I'd buy him a beer...
    It'd be a serendipitous affair.

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  • pitdogg2
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    Only the best I see....🍺🤮
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  • DeRod
    DeRod Posts: 229
    edited November 25
    Well .. our friend doesn't have very high standards 😜😜

    If he likes the monitors 4s so much I'm sure he thinks OE800 is exquisite.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    edited November 26
    At least spring for Colt 45... cheap bastiges.
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  • xschop
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    Colt 45 would be conjecture, chaps. Olde English is quite pertinent and apposite to conveyed post.
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  • Jstas
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    What's with the personal attacks against Doc?
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  • DeRod
    DeRod Posts: 229
    You been on this forum for far too long. You should already know that we are just being friendly 😜
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,958
    DeRod wrote: »
    You been on this forum for far too long. You should already know that we are just being friendly 😜

    There's nothing "friendly" about it, hoss. You're being a jackass.
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  • DeRod
    DeRod Posts: 229
    edited November 26
    Wow that was mean and uncalled for 🤣 Have you been drinking like your buddy? might want to lay off the sauce 😜

    Hey just so you know there are places you can go get help with your anger issues
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  • DeRod
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    @Jstas You want another beer or you already had too many 🤣🤣
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  • DeRod
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    Hah!
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,045
    How they should have left the factory... Cheers (as I tip my fo-dee).
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  • DeRod
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    Got to get a needle to poke the hole where the Polk badge goes. A needle just to find the hole and then poke it with a bigger poker ..
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  • DeRod
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    edited November 26
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Maybe phase plugs and dynamat inside the baskets of the woofers would do the trick…?

    Best post ever! In between me working on the speakers we have clowns that make everyone laugh 🤣🤣 you guys are awesome!
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  • DeRod
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  • xschop
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    Looking forward to the Dynacell baskets. B)
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  • DeRod
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  • DeRod
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    edited November 27
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    The original terminal cups with the board and larger capacitors barely fits. The cup without the board is still a close fit. The woofer magnet is too close to the crossover. I think that is an issue. If I relocate the crossover up behind the tweeter and completely eliminate the terminal cup creating a space behind the woofer it might clean up the sloppy mids and upper bass.
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  • DeRod
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    That’s on another pair of my speakers but same idea. Eliminating the terminal cup and replacing with just a plate also gives you the option of much better binding posts. I like how on those posts you get a really good connection with the banana plugs.
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  • StantonZ
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    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The original Monitor 4 was a good sounding loudspeaker, stock.
    My 40+ year old Monitor 4's are still some of the best-sounding speakers I've ever owned (Peerless tweets)...and I didn't even re-do the XO's (like I did on my Monitor 10's).
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  • DeRod
    DeRod Posts: 229
    edited November 27
    StantonZ wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The original Monitor 4 was a good sounding loudspeaker, stock.
    My 40+ year old Monitor 4's are still some of the best-sounding speakers I've ever owned (Peerless tweets)...and I didn't even re-do the XO's (like I did on my Monitor 10's).

    Glad your happy with them. As far changing that one cap it isn't really worth it in my opinion it made no real difference when I did it on one of mine.

    I think this speaker has the potential to sound good. The original speaker as it came from Polk leaves a lot to be desired -IMO
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    Many of us have changed out the binding posts in the original cups with our builds. That being said, the cabinets in most all do have deeper cabinets than the monitor 4 or have a passive in front of the crossovers.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,718
    I'm still sort of interested in knowing if you have gotten around to verifying the polarity of the drivers, especially that the tweeter is in reverse polarity to the MW. That could really mess up the sound, since Polk designed it to be that way.



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  • DeRod
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    The binding posts on those plates are too big to fit the original cups, too thick, they touch each other. Like 2 fat people in an airplane. That's what I mean those plates give you the option of using a much wider variety of posts.
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  • DeRod
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    Foam fits better with out the cup as well. All the ones I’ve seen the foam melts all the crossover and turns everything nasty. I had to scrub all that gunk off on mine with a toothbrush.

    The original foam was also overly thick for these small cabinets. The new replacement foam is less thick but did cut it to the same dimensions as the original foam.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,978
    I would have tossed the boards and just made point 2 point crossovers,
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  • DeRod
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    edited November 27
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    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    I would have tossed the boards and just made point 2 point crossovers,

    Hmmmm 🤔
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  • DeRod
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    edited November 27
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    @Toolfan66 check out the crossover in mini monitor. It’s your basic Polk crossover with a few minor exceptions:

    12uf cap
    33uf (not 34) cap
    1ohm resistor
    2.7ohm resistor

    Anyhow that way better than what came in the Monitor 4 originally. I would like to build something more along those lines as opposed to just recreating the original crossover on a board.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    A serious question and not intended to be insulting in any way. Why invest any time, effort or money to rebuild a speaker you thought was garbage to start with? Seems an effort in futility when you could easily improve the performance of something more to your liking.
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