Noise.
treitz3
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Yo'! Noise is THE most detrimental thing in your audio chain, whether or not you know it now or not.
Bar none (to a point).
You may scoff me now, but you will most definitely thank me later. It is what it is.
When you attack noise? Things get better. Keep chugging and things get even better. Move on from that and things get beyond what you are used to hearing.
Kept chugging and things get exceptional whilst listening. At that point? Keep chugging. There is something beyond the exceptional. When you know? You know.
When there is "black" or calm in between instruments or images that you may not have ever experienced before? It levitates your system (or what you experience) into another plane of audiophilia. It's awesome.
You can listen to pretty much any song and love it. Lesser songs are still that....but MUCH better. Regular songs are catapulted and stellar songs are simy ungodly.
Tom
Bar none (to a point).
You may scoff me now, but you will most definitely thank me later. It is what it is.
When you attack noise? Things get better. Keep chugging and things get even better. Move on from that and things get beyond what you are used to hearing.
Kept chugging and things get exceptional whilst listening. At that point? Keep chugging. There is something beyond the exceptional. When you know? You know.
When there is "black" or calm in between instruments or images that you may not have ever experienced before? It levitates your system (or what you experience) into another plane of audiophilia. It's awesome.
You can listen to pretty much any song and love it. Lesser songs are still that....but MUCH better. Regular songs are catapulted and stellar songs are simy ungodly.
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Please allow me to put it to you this way...
Get rid of the noise? You may very well lose the merry go round of gear. I have. Without a doubt.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
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Oh, dang. Internal, external, incoming. From every aspect of a system.
Whatever your system is hooked up to, associated with, connected to...
If it's the neighborhood or the LED transformers within each of your LED lights? Computer SMPS or whatever? It is all noise that enters orbis introduced into your system.
You don't know it until you DON'T hear it.
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Two words.
No thanks.
Not at the level I listen at. This is not meant to be chest pounding or "above" battery. What I am saying is that with normal, non esoteric gear, at loud levels (not ear bleeding loud)?
The visceral impact along with (fill in the audiophile language) attributes are so crystal clear as to what's there, it's just as important....if not more so....to hear what you can't.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Elaborate on "noise" please. External or within the system? Or both?
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Something I’ve always wondered … how do things like tube hiss or record (vinyl) surface noise factor into this?
You can’t eliminate those things if you listen to that kind of gear and they don’t take away from the enjoyment of listening (and may even have qualities that enhance it?), but yet, I have to credit the SnubWay for revealing more music and nuances in the grooves (and ones and zeros for my digital sources, too), than I’ve ever heard before.
Brian
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Other than occasional tube hiss and lp "pops", I'm not sure I've heard this thing called "noise". Time will tell though...SnubWay is due here this weekend.Yep, my name really is Bob.
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I think a more accurate word I use is "hash" as "noise" is a little misleading.
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You don't even know you have it, until it's gone. But when it is gone, you really get pulled into the music and you hear much more of said music.
It is very hard to describe it but when you don't hear it, it becomes very obvious.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
You don't even know you have it, until it's gone. But when it is gone, you really get pulled into the music and you hear much more of said music.
It is very hard to describe it but when you don't hear it, it becomes very obvious.
Tom
It’s an oxymoron I refer to as “subtly significant .” It’s not really a night and day difference, but yet you’re just more drawn in to the music. As you said, it’s very hard to describe.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Tom and others speak the truth.
I finally had a chance to get some new pieces of gear in the rig. I've had the Puritan Audio PSM 136 conditioner as well as the Uptone Audio EtherRegen w/ separate power linear power supply and the installed the linear power supply board in the BlueSound Node3. Finally the Keces P8 dual linear power supply to run the Node3 and EtherRegen. I've had these pieces for awhile and didn't incorporate them until the move.
I also recently replaced power cables with all Puritan Audio Classics. And finally swapped out speaker cables going from MIT Shotgun S3 single wire to Shotgun S1 bi-wire.
I know the new room has some issues and I've spent a week tweaking the system. Mostly listening position, speaker position and toe in/out, etc. The room is still very lively.
What I am hearing at lower mid volume levels is incredibly different. The clarity, transparency and overall presentation is like being in the front row. The silence between everything is so surreal and spooky. I am hearing little breaths, scrapes of a pick on a guitar string, creaking of a studio chair, instruments that used to be buried or indiscernible.
It's been rather startling to hear how lifelike and completely free of hash/noise, etc. my well known favorites sound. I am hearing things in the recordings I've never heard before.
I'm not sure what else to say to explain it. Once the hash/noise is gone you'll see what I mean (and others mean too).
Cowboy Junkie songs are freaking incredible with all the nuance going on in many of their recordings. Another highly recommended recording is the Nils Lofgren Band Live.
My goosebumps had goosebumps. I had to force myself to go to bed last night because I didn't want the listening experience to end.
My rig has never sounded cleaner and more articulate and transparent. Leading edge attack is frightening as is decay and everything in between.
I have work to do with room treatments, so I can imagine it will get even better. Right now I as giddy as can be.
Most of this is what I've been chasing, I finally feel like the investment is paying off.
My only apprehension is I am going to switch over to a Roon Nucleus One for streaming and to be a music server. I hope I don't upset what I've achieved. The only digital out connection is USB, I am a bit leery about that. I may need to add a Mutec MC3+. We'll see how the Uptone Audio USB-Regen performs first.
H9
P.s. for those on the fence about Puritan Audio conditioners and cables. Go for it. While I can't do a side by side vs. the APC H15..........I feel the PSM136 has a good deal to do with what I'm experiencing, and I really like the peace of mind of the non-sacrificial voltage surge protection."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul! -
+1 on Puritan Audio power products. I have a PSM156 power conditioner, along with a few of their power cables as well. I posted about it here: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/199413/puritan-psm156-power-conditioner#latest I definitely heard a difference in sound, and then quantitatively, I used an EMI meter for grins and giggles. Bottom line was: I was getting measurements directly from the wall outlets ranging from 135-975, depending on location in the house; but with the PSM156 in place, ALL measurements dropped below 20.
I went through Jaguar Audio. Boy, do they sell some really nice gear
I'm very curious to see what the Snub Way can do on top of what the PSM156 does."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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+1 on Puritan Audio power products. I have a PSM156 power conditioner, along with a few of their power cables as well. I posted about it here: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/199413/puritan-psm156-power-conditioner#latest I definitely heard a difference in sound, and then quantitatively, I used an EMI meter for grins and giggles. Bottom line was: I was getting measurements directly from the wall outlets ranging from 135-975, depending on location in the house; but with the PSM156 in place, ALL measurements dropped below 20.
I went through Jaguar Audio. Boy, do they sell some really nice gear
I'm very curious to see what the Snub Way can do on top of what the PSM156 does.
Your input as well as a couple very unbiased audio reviews and other testimonials is what pushed me towards them.
I bought a used PSM136 (I just couldn't spend up for the PSM156) that's like new over a year ago. Even came in it's original double box.
I recently got a great deal from a semi-local audio store on some very slightly used demo Puritan Audio Classic cables in whitish/gray sheathing. 45% off retail and again, like new in original heavy duty vinyl bags.
Couldn't be happier with the results.
H9
In fact I'm so impressed if I ever find a used PSM106, I'll use that in the office rig."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul! -
Something I’ve always wondered … how do things like tube hiss or record (vinyl) surface noise factor into this?
You can’t eliminate those things if you listen to that kind of gear and they don’t take away from the enjoyment of listening (and may even have qualities that enhance it?), but yet, I have to credit the SnubWay for revealing more music and nuances in the grooves (and ones and zeros for my digital sources, too), than I’ve ever heard before.
I don't do LP's for a variety of reasons.
Tube hiss has been almost non-existent for me. Especially at the listening position. It doesn't seem to be a very big issue as I think it's innocuous enough to be a non-factor. That goes for proper functioning tubes, not tubes that are inherently noisy. If you have a noisy enough tube to upset the musical signal, time to find a different tube.
I run (3) pairs of tubes and a tube rectifier in my pre and occasionally (1) tube in the dac. All my tubes are 50's and early 60's and are very quiet. I can hear a very slight hiss if I put my ear right up to the tweeter.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul! -
My tube DAC has no perceived hiss, but I do get some from my integrated tube amp. I'm not sure if it is coming from the input tubes or the output tubes, but I am using some of the same tubes in the DAC that I have in the amp. But, having said all that, yes, I only hear it when I'm right up to the speakers.
The main point I was trying to make was that LP "pops" and tube hiss can actually be heard, but we get an elevated listening experience by reducing/eliminating electrical noise with these filtering products that we can't actually hear to begin with. Just seems kinda ironic. I guess that's what makes it hard to explain the effect.
Brian
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So, let me clarify a bit on the noise I am talking about. It's a combination of noise floor, room minimum dB level, RFI, EMI, leakage current, jitter, Allan deviation, reflections within the room, timing variances within the 1's and 0's (whether it be immediate, misread, short or long), along with noise that rides the incoming A/C waveform, or if you stream? Through the incoming cable.
This noise is not the same as vinyl surface noise or tube noise, although you want to try and keep those as low as possible as well.
I used to listen to my CDP and think that there was no noise. This was with a reference player. Two years ago, as I really got into improving every aspect of my streaming rig, I started to slowly discover that streaming started sounding cleaner than physical music. WHAT?
So, I started looking into why this would be....as I never had any issues with CD's before. Especially with the Marantz. I learned a lot about the "noises", how they manifested themself, where they came from, what gear I could use or utilize to get rid of it and what caused what, what affected what and how to eliminate as much of this noise as possible.
I wouldn't have....or probably wouldn't have ever known any of this for years to come, had it not been for a cheap, $14 ethernet cable upgrade. That lead to me learning about what E cables did. Then there was the Muon Pro.
Geez, I hated that thing for the first week or two...but after that, my audio journey really took off. That lead to me upgrading my clock, which lead to me upgrading my CDP to a transport and dedicated DAC.
Had it not been for my streaming journey taking off like it did, I would still be happily listening to that same noise I have listened to all my life. That transport was the last piece of gear I bought. Since then, every new addition to the rig has been nothing but things that help the rig eliminate any and every type of noise.
From the Purons, to shielded (double and triple shielded) cables, to the Snubway and MC....every purchase since then attacks noise. Literally no more of the gear merry go 'round. Doing that really exposed what the gear I already had.....well, what it actually can do.
I would like to think I have a pretty decent system in the whole grand scheme of things. Not that it's a competition or anything....I know full well that there are many systems out there that make my system look like a blue light K-mart special. That's all fine and dandy, to each their own. But with that said, I haven't heard a system....any system do so many things so well, across all frequencies and volume levels, with so many genres of music so cleanly, effortlessly and with such blackness in-between the images. All this with no boundaries within the room, other than height. In other words, I have yet to hear a sound come from directly above my head or beneath my listening chair.
I don't think it's the gear that does this. I think it's because of the loss of noise. I honestly have no desire to change any gear. Just tweak things here and there. Upgrade some more cables, mess around with the SDFB (which will be on the way shortly) and start working on upgrading the vinyl portion of my rig. Everything else sounds so good now, I am not yearning to do anything really.
A question was raised elsewhere that got me thinking tonight. The question was two parts. How do you know when you are done? That was one part. The other part was, are you an audiophile or a music lover?
I think my answer to that is this. Now that the noise is gone? I may now be done being an audiophile because all I hear now is the music. That's all I hear now....and it's radiantly shining a small slice of audio heaven on Earth for me.
I cannot emphasize enough to all of you (even if you think you have no noise) to thwart any hint of noise from distracting you from what is possible.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I may now be done being an audiophile because all I hear now is the music. That's all I hear now....and it's radiantly shining a small slice of audio heaven on Earth for me.
I cannot emphasize enough to all of you (even if you think you have no noise) to thwart any hint of noise from distracting you from what is possible.
Tom,
I'll believe that you are "done" about the same time as I believe that Nigerian Prince who keeps emailing me.
As for me, I think I've been in that "all I hear now is the music" for well over a year. The only thing I spend on now is for new material. Some people can get there more quickly and that's not a system thing, but a mental thing. I hear no noise, only music. There may be small incremental improvements, but this is still the best I've heard in my years and with increasing tinnitus from BP meds, I don't think its worth pursuing. -
Some people can get there more quickly and that's not a system thing, but a mental thing.
To clarify, I don't mean to say that anyone is crazy, but more that it is a personal choice that one has to make mentally. When do you jump off the speeding train of spending money for better gear, cables, noise reduction, tweaks, etc. to achieve audio nirvana? Some can reach their nirvana with less.
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Yo! You're speaking the truth—noise floor is the silent killer of great audio. Chasing that ultra-black background where the space between notes feels like pure silence is what separates a decent system from a mind-blowing one.
When you start eliminating noise—ground loops, RF interference, power supply garbage—you unlock details you didn’t even know were there. Imaging gets sharper, depth expands, and suddenly, you're hearing into the soul of the recording. It’s addictive.
So, what's your current noise-killing setup? Are you rocking power conditioning, star grounding, shielded cables, or some secret sauce tweak? -
I've been trying to jump off the train......I stopped (for now) at the Muon. I almost pulled the trigger twice. I'm anxious to hear if the Snub Way makes a difference. If the demo goes well I'll pull the trigger.
I still need to finalize a music server and will be purchasing a Roon Nucleus One and an associated linear power supply. Then I'm done for a long while. I've spent a small fortune on the office rig and main room rig in the past 2-3 years. It's time to enjoy the fruits of those expenditures. As the rigs are superb!
Oh wait........room treatments. That's next, then I'm done.
Oh wait.........an ideal listening chair......then I'm done!
H9
P.s. then comes a big sell off of duplicate gear or gear I now longer use."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node3 - Tubes add soul! -
BTW, thank you for your comments on the Puritan, @heiney9. I asked and you delivered.👍 Still high on my wishlist.
Brian
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I may now be done being an audiophile because all I hear now is the music. That's all I hear now....and it's radiantly shining a small slice of audio heaven on Earth for me.
I cannot emphasize enough to all of you (even if you think you have no noise) to thwart any hint of noise from distracting you from what is possible.Tom,
I'll believe that you are "done" about the same time as I believe that Nigerian Prince who keeps emailing me.
I never said I was done with the rig. I'll always pursue better sound. I was saying that the audiophile part of me is done. I am no longer really yearning to search out the latest and greatest of gear. Actually, I'm not even interested anymore, unless something were to break and I could not find an acceptable replacement.
Here is a general meaning of what an audiophile is - "Audiophile – An individual who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction. An audiophile seeks to reproduce the sound of a live musical performance, typically in a room with great acoustics."
What I am saying is that I am no longer seeking to reproduce live music. While I'll always be enthusiastic about high fidelity reproduction, at this point it's about the music.....and truly enjoying it. Learning more about it, finding new gems, genres and artists.As for me, I think I've been in that "all I hear now is the music" for well over a year. The only thing I spend on now is for new material. Some people can get there more quickly and that's not a system thing, but a mental thing. I hear no noise, only music. There may be small incremental improvements, but this is still the best I've heard in my years and with increasing tinnitus from BP meds, I don't think its worth pursuing.
Sorry to hear about your tinnitus. That said, we will have to agree to disagree with that one. In my case, this has nothing to do with mentality. It has to do with the and result as to what hits my ears. I know what I hear. When I hear a system that can offer me better than what I am hearing? At that point I may once again become "the audiophile" but until I hear something better?
I know audio shows are bad to audition gear, I get that. But I have heard many a rig over my travels, hosted audio events and heard a plethora of gear over the decades. From 3M systems all the way down to 2K systems. Both in private and public setups. Not one of them can do what my system does and how it does it. Are some things better? Of course. No matter who you are or gear you have, there will ALWAYS be something better at one aspect or another. But until you hear what my system does, no one can possibly fathom what I am experiencing on a daily basis.
When you "see" the black. When you "feel" the calm. When you hear harmonizing voices like you have never heard them before. When a whisper comes out of nowhere, right by your left ear (literally inches away, as if someone just bent down to whisper in your ear). When sounds swoop around from 2 feet below the speaker to 16 feet above that lowest sound. When you can "see" images, crystal clear, at a point in the air and seemingly laser focus on a 3-D field where that sound is coming from. When all of these, along with hundreds of other aspects of audiophile terms, along with the tone/timbre all come into fruition on one system? And then you realize that you have never heard this type of sound before, anywhere? It makes one reflect.
But I hold no illusions. Even though I can't hear any noise at the moment, I almost know full weel that there is more to thwart. We are living during a time when these noise gremlins are being identified and manufacturers are finally starting to know how to get rid of it. Grounding apparatus from the likes of Shuyata, along with technology from the grid/EMI/RFI protectors from the likes of Schnerzinger are just now getting at groundbreaking new ways to thwart noise.....from systems that had "supposedly" no noise to begin with.
One other comment/question. If you have every increasing tinnitus, then how do you know that you hear no noise? That can be a rhetorical one, if you do not wish to answer.
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What can be done about the noise at a live performance? Will a SnubWay help?Political Correctness'.........defined
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LOL. No.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Tom, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I get the same experience with my rig that you are talking about. Nothing to disagree about. I may not have heard as many high dollar systems as you have, but I've heard some that are quadruple my system cost (at new prices) and I prefer mine.
I said ever increasing tinnitus, but that was a misrepresentation. It is there, at a very low, constant pitch and not really increasing at this point. It is only noticable when I'm in my dead quiet office. Even the sound of my ceiling fan makes it blend into the background. I said increasing because it went from nothing to something last December when the Doc changed up my treatment and added diuretics.
I was enjoying the system for almost a year prior to that. I am sensitive to noise and distortion to the point that I've never been able to enjoy SiriusXM, or modern FM broadcast due to the compression.
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What can be done about the noise at a live performance? Will a SnubWay help?
Although I totally get what Tom and others are talking about, that's kinda what I was getting at with my LP and tube hiss comments.
Get in on the SnubWay road test, Jesse! It works! 😳👍
Brian
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I have come to realization….
To try and recreate a live listening illusion in my home ain’t gonna happen.
My take recently, personal perspective….
There are too many variables to realistically make a live music experience, recreate and playback that in one’s home.
One may be able to recreate a single venue, a single band/performance to approximate that experience but, who would want that?
To make that happen with every recording, every band’s signature sound, every venue inside a building and outside at a concert venue, each sound engineer’s perception of the best sound at said venue is next to impossible.
To create a live performance along with a recorded performance is……..!
What I have found is this, create the best sounding playback system that rocks your boat.
Enjoy what one has built and be happy in where it takes you.
I loved Harry Person’s idea of re-creating the experience one has when at a concert, indoor/outdoor, amplified/non-amplified, intimate/massive concert venue.
My personal experience over the years is this is not attainable for all recordings/artists/venues/genres along with all the rest.
What I’ve concentrated on in the last two decades is to create the best sounding system in my home where i can spend whatever timeline listening and, to come away with a smile, and experience, that I look forward to come back to experience it again.
I still enjoy tweaking, changing this and that, trying new equipment & recordings.
Comes down to having a good time, enjoying the fruits and labor of our passion which, is a very personal experience.
There’s no right or wrong way to go about your audio experience.
It’s a personal trip, ain’t it cool….
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Although I totally get what Tom and others are talking about, that's kinda what I was getting at with my LP and tube hiss comments.
Get in on the SnubWay road test, Jesse! It works! 😳👍
I do not have a single open outlet on any of my dedicated line outlets or any of my power conditioner/surge protection devices in any of my rigs.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Cheater plug!
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