Teac X-1000r R2R Adventures

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  • Posts: 7,349
    I like the look of those two smooth sine waves!
    Carl

  • Posts: 8,558
    edited January 8
    Yes, they are very sinusoidal! :D

    Before the fix, the R and L output looked like this.

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  • Posts: 8,558
    edited January 22
    SofH pinch rollers from Italy for Carl's and Ed's deck in NY now.

    Since I had the re-tired pinch rollers for mine, I decided to calibrate my deck. (I didn't want to introduce different wear patterns from different decks on the reconditioned ones).

    The new rollers eliminated the small amount of skew I had. That resulted in a nice clean, steady signal on the scope. This lissajous pattern means the R and L channel of this play head are not in phase.

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    You adjust the head azimuth screw until you get a nice 45 degree line. This is FWD play, then I had do reverse play. To do record heads, you inject a signal and adjust record head until you get the 45 degree line.

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    Some of the older techs tell me they prefer to use dual channel mode to adjust azimuth. You get more R and L channel information. You can also adjust the scope to position the traces on top of one another.

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    My X-1000r had a bent dbx PCB mount bracket and stripped screws. (One screw was found rolling around on the PCB at bottom). Used brackets fetch around $30 or more. I used inexpensive rivet nuts (AKA as nut-serts). That is why I built that wood frame to hold the deck off the bench. No pillow to slip out and damage a PCB mounted on rear.

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    Backing washers were used to make the mounting thicker, less crush is needed.

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    Calibration is quite a process on this deck compared to that old 4010SU. Tapes have significantly improved. In simple terms, there are smaller and more magnetic particles on the newer tapes which increases the dynamic range. The new tapes need to be recorded at a higher level. I'm using Teac replica tapes (3.75 and 7.5) from ural91 in Germany. That allows me to follow the manual instead of being on my own with a four frequency MRL tape.

    Flux density is basically the level of magnetism on the tape. Measured in nWb/m, or Nanoweber per meter (there are higher levels). Back in the day 185 was standard. My calibration tapes were done at a newer standard of 250nWb/m. The issue is this deck wasn't designed for it and some report they may or may not calibrate that high. Mine only made it to 225nWb/m. Using math, you can use a 250 tape to calibrate higher or lower by + or - dB adjustments.

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    I'm using a signal generator on a shelf above. It goes to a splitter in the Altoids tin for R and L channel input. Output from deck goes to a 2 to 1 switch box that allows me to toggle between R and L output for the dB meter and Fluke meter. RCA splitters at input of box allow for scope to be connected. Just to left is an old D cell Radio Shack mono speaker. It's plugged into the headphone jack so I can hear the voice on tape say what calibration frequency set is next.

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    The service manual says calibrate output to -5dB or 436mV. While the AC millivolt meter reads dB and voltage and the needle on -5 gets you close, a true RMS meter allows me to dial it in exactly. Flip the toggle switch and adjust the other channel. In this pic the dB meter is connected to something else or it would read -5dB.

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    I'm biasing for LPR35 tape.

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    Lots of things to do in proper order. Some calibrations use the calibration tape, others various frequencies at specific mV. There are 51 different steps or checks to perform. More if you have to calibrate the dbx board. I was told just adjust dbx input and output voltage and leave the rest alone unless someone fudged with it.

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    When you don't have expensive analyzers, you use the dB meter to do frequency response checks and bias adjustments. This calibration tape has a sixteen-frequency sweep (14kHz to 31.5Hz), each one lasting 15 seconds. First one is 400Hz at -10dB. Thats your reference or zero. You watch the meter for each frequency. You write down each reading, flipping the channel switch back and forth. If -7dB is your zero, ideally all frequencies will be close to the same. Teac specs give you +-3dB range. Mine was tighter. There is a 31.5-16k sweep and 31.5-18k multifrequency signal. I need to ask someone about those....

    For recording bias, you have to bias to the tape used. In my case, the LPR35. A popular method is to record a 1kHz signal and note dB output. Change to 10kHz signal and note dB output. The goal is to tweak the bias adjustment and get the same output with both frequencies. Then to check, you have to record several frequencies to see if you are within that +-3dB on playback.

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    They don't make EE tapes anymore and the old ones can degrade. I had one NIB, and it wasn't shedding, so I calibrated the EE. It's the first bias adjustment listed in the service manual, but I was told it was not a cascading bias. In other words, the EE bias on this deck won't affect the LH-II bias.

    Mine sounds pretty good. Tested record and playback at all speeds, FWD and REV, dbx enabled and EE tape. There were days I regretted taking these three decks on, but I sure learned a lot. Thanks to Ken for helping me out when my brain couldn't absorb something. There are some techs on other forums that also helped.

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    Post edited by SCompRacer on
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  • Posts: 13,032
    So much work! Congrats on a job well done, and thank you for photographing and describing the process for us. Much appreciated!
  • Posts: 8,558
    edited January 23
    Thanks for the kind words! Makes you want to get a deck, right? :D

    Just when I thought I was done with the hard stuff, a problem arose. I was chastised for taking too much apart in a facebook clinic by an old Teac tech near me. "Stop taking things apart and take it to someone qualified to work on it!" My reply and PM got my post removed and I was banned and blocked by him. It was well worth it. :D

    Even though I have plenty of time and ability, "no need to take switches apart and clean, just shoot some DeOxit in them." I had removed and cleaned Carl's REC, Tape Selector and monitor source switches. Removing them is difficult with high probability of collateral damage, so I tried the easy way and just shot some DeOxit in mine and Ed's switches.

    I worked all the switches after spraying and they moved freely. A couple days later the tape selector switches are stuck. The others are OK. The three tape selector switches have a flat bar with a flat tension spring on one end. When you make a different tape selection, it pops the previous selection out. I'd have to buy a used main board to get that switch bank.

    DeOxit doesn't harm plastic but there were some hard foam "T" shaped tension parts on the actuators of these tape selector switches. They swelled up from the DeOxit and bound the switches. I had to remove, disassemble and dry them. I ended up slicing off a layer of hard foam with razor blade and trim them to fit. I think they are there to slow the actuator when released.

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    The switches were from same manufacturer. Other switches, like this broken one, had a location for the foam block, but they were not used.

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  • Posts: 1,074
    I just read through this whole thread. Wow! This is some Ken level RtR juju going on here. Also, I now have a headache. So complex. Also, I'm even more convinced that if my deck takes a dump for any reason then I'm screwed, lol. I'm knocking on wood here. I also say a little prayer every time right before I use the thing and a prayer of thanks when its job is completed.
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  • Posts: 8,558
    edited January 23
    Ken has been involved and continues to lure me in deeper...lol Yeah, I've had some headaches and stress myself.

    Are you talking about your Teac A-6100? Nice deck! They later offered a MK II model.

    The A series are very robust decks and much less complicated than the X. Some Teac fans stayed with the A series. The A series have AC motors which just need oil once a year or every 2000 hours (per service manual). The X uses DC motors (brushes!). The reel motors use bearings, the capstan bushings.

    Common Teac issues were frozen pinch roller linkage due to the grease drying out and of course, capstan belt eventually needs changing. Then there is head wear, with Teac no longer supplying them. Pinch rollers get hard. You have a couple choices if you need new. You send yours in and Terry Witt re-tires them. I have some coming from SofH in Italy for Ed and Carl's deck, with bearings (not bushings). DIY doesn't work well unless you have a way to true them to zero out of round. The replacement slip ons can be a larger diameter as well.

    I have an A-6300 which is similar. It had a reverse playback issue that I repaired. The 6100/6300 share the same service manual. I was going to calibrate it but got involved with the three X-1000r's. NOTE, while the reel says EE, it does not have EE tape on it. The 6300 does not have an EE bias switch. (I was attacked in another forum for that....lol)

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    Post edited by SCompRacer on
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  • Posts: 1
    edited January 25
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    You adjust the head azimuth screw until you get a nice 45 degree line. This is FWD play, then I had do reverse play. To do record heads, you inject a signal and adjust record head until you get the 45 degree line.
    Great work !

    If you don't mind, a small point of clarification.

    When the literature talks about a 45° angle for the Lissajous curve, it's not about the inclination, which depends directly on the level difference between the two channels.

    The absolute limit of 45° that is sometimes mentioned is about the shape of the ellipse that can be highly unstable. Depending on frequency and transport condition, you can get a shaggy ball. As you may have guessed, a stable straight line represents a zero phase shift. This topic was presented by J.G. McKnight. The Lissajous method is not error prone. That's why some people prefer to use the scope in Y/T mode, sometimes with a multi-frequency test signal to avoid setting azimuth on false peaks, a thing I never had the opportunity to test. There is a thread about this on TH but I can't find it. Here's a summary of some patterns and their significance.
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    See https://www.mrltapes.com/mcknight_azimuth-in-mtr.pdf

    Enjoy the open reels :smile:
  • Posts: 8,558
    Thanks for the kind words! I don't mind being educated. I don't have much memory left so I just worry about new things erasing over the older stuff. :D

    I did notice the shaggy ball when heads were out of alignment and the pinch rollers were too hard. Thanks!
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  • Posts: 8,558
    edited January 27
    SofH pinch rollers with ball bearings showed up today from Italy. They also offer rollers with new sintered bronze bushings for less $$. Very competitive pricing compared to getting tires replaced, unless something changes in future. No customs or duty charges. I would have had to pay extra if my bushings needed replacing.

    They are exactly like the OEM with two lateral channels on each side of roller. I'm told they are there to discharge the pressure of the capstan onto the two edges of the rubber tread. My re-tired ones are smooth.

    They are of the highest quality. They were shipped Dec 30th, I think the holidays added some delay. On to final calibration...

    No affil other than satisfied customer.

    https://www.sofh.it/

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  • Posts: 8,558
    edited February 2
    I still have some testing to do on the calibrated decks but decided to get started on the transport boxes. These should provide good protection on their ride home, but I would not trust them for shipping. I used double wall Home Depot boxes.

    Foam sheets were glued together with Gorilla construction adhesive. If doesn't melt the foam and has low odor. (It's too cold to do in the garage so did it in basement).

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    A foam cutting kit was sourced from Amazon for $25. Cranking the voltage up allowed cutting through 4" of foam like a hot knife through butter.

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    I was able to cut the box size down a bit. To get a nice straight bend in the cardboard, I attach a chunk of wood inside with screws and backing boards from the outside.

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    Not real pretty but functional.

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    I do have a piece of foam for the top but didn't have it in when I snapped the pic.

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  • Posts: 1,465
    Oh hell yea, that's how gear should be packaged...

    Great job you.
  • Posts: 8,558
    edited February 8
    Thanks!

    Carl gave me a Teac maintenance kit before we went all in with the X-1000r's, so I am returning it to him with the deck. I picked one up on ebay for $40, which is fairly cheap. It needed some work and was mostly complete. Just the tweezers, scissors and pen light were missing.

    Some paint splatters to clean off.

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    Missing a male snap. Found some on Amazon.

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    Torn pouch.

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    Bottles taped up, bottle cap cracked.

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    Started cleaning the tape off.

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    The splicer is like the Gibson Girl with curved blades to cut the splice area. Razor blades were broken. Blades unobtanium so used a Dremel with cut off wheel to make some from a single edge blade. Ground a hole for mounting as they don't drill well. The mount block for the blades is concave so tightening the nut and bolt curves the flat blades.

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    I used a solder iron tip to repair the pouch. I got the iron a little too hot as the stitching is noticeable, but it is holding. Many years ago, I got a black pen light from a Jasper Engines & Transmission rep that fit perfectly. The original was silver.

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  • Posts: 8,558
    edited February 16
    Ed and Carl are threatening to drive out this way and pick up their decks. (The wife strongly suggested wanting her plant grow table back). :D

    I polished up the Mickey Mouse ears dust covers with an orbital polisher and some headlight restore cleaner/polish. They still have some cracks and blemishes that would require sanding but are clearer and look much better.

    The third deck is just dressed in a plastic cabinet.

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  • Posts: 26,083
    Carl owes me some premium Yuengling beer. 😉
    Not the American Lager I now can buy here. The premium is much better!
  • Posts: 8,558
    edited February 16
    I read somewhere Yuengling is coming to IL in 2025. Chicago area IIRC. You could grab his Mickey Mouse cover and hold it for ransom. :D
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  • Posts: 26,083
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    I read somewhere Yuengling is coming to IL in 2025. Chicago area IIRC. You could grab his Mickey Mouse cover and hold it for ransom. :D

    Yes the American Lager and Flight has been in my area since late January. The premium can only be bought in Pennsylvania last I knew.
  • Posts: 7,349
    I can probably bring some Yuengling out to Richee's place.
    Carl

  • Posts: 7,349
    The decks look magnificent! Richee's technical talents and problem-solving skills are exemplary!
    Carl

  • Posts: 8,558
    Well thank you, but let's wait until after the demo... :D
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  • Posts: 26,083
    schwarcw wrote: »
    I can probably bring some Yuengling out to Richee's place.

    I'm just giving you grief Carl. 😆
    I remember the last time with all the good intentions it was left on the work bench. 😂😂
  • Posts: 8,558
    edited February 17
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    I'm just giving you grief Carl. 😆

    Don't leave Ed out! Give him some grief too! :D
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  • Posts: 26,083
    edited February 17
    It was all Ed's fault. As Carl told it, Ed was supposed to remind him to grab it.


    😅😅

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