LSIM703 or R200's

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mantis
mantis Posts: 17,061
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Hello everyone,
what speaker do you prefer out of the 2. I have only heard the LSIM703 and yet to hear any Reserve series anything.

I just noticed near me 2 people are selling them used in good condition for what I think is fair pricing. $400 for the LSIM703's and $350 for the R200's.

Thoughts?
Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,061
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    Also found a pair of LSI 7's in great condition for $325. How them into the mix.
    Dan
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,098
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    Buy all 3, sell what you don't like
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  • msg
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    Dang, great deals.
    I agree with Trey. Those are three very different sounding speakers.

    If you can get them out from the back wall, maybe give the R200s a ****. I found the R200s to need room.

    You definitely get used to a speaker's presentation, that's for sure. When I swapped back in well loved 703s after listening to R200s and Wharfedales for a couple of weeks, I thought the 703s were horrendous. And this is a speaker I enjoyed. Probably would have gotten used to them again, but I was enjoying the other stuff at the time. I will say I like the tweeter in the R200s better than in the 703s. Maybe it's just the crossover.

    LSi7s are still a fave,though I only ever enjoyed them with Musical Fidelity or an old Realistic STA-84 receiver :D.

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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,987
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    The most balanced speaker is the r200. Is it the one you'll enjoy the most? Who knows?!?
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  • msg
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    msg wrote: »
    If you can get them out from the back wall, maybe give the R200s a ****. I found the R200s to need room.

    I have no idea what I said here that was beeped out.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,620
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    Whirl? Spin? Ride?

    Edit: Nope. Hmm..

    Shot? Reacharound?
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,085
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    Apparently reacharound is legal as sea salt as far as Nanny Vanilla is concerned. :#
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  • msg
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    I think I said shot. Let's see if this gets bleeped.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,085
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    P'haps there was a typo?
    One recalls that George Carlin observed that shoot is s#!t with two "O"s in it.

    aww, shoot!
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    msg wrote: »
    I think I said shot. Let's see if this gets bleeped.

    Hmm… 🧐

    Look at your keyboard. What letters are next to “o”?! 😜
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  • Kex
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    Isn’t there a problem with replacement driver availability for the LSi M series?

    Wasn’t the ring radiator tweeter also improved for the Reserve series?
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    Lol I think you guys are right @mhardy6647 and @kex! Haha

    Those are two letters I don't quite make an accurate reach for when writing on mobile sometimes.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,086
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    So Vanilla bleeps ****, but not G*d D*mn? Interesting…or sad…or dumb…or…


    Can’t comment on the R200, but I preferred the 703 over the LSi7.
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  • heiney9
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    IMO, I think the mids and up the LSi 7 and R200 will be similar. The LSi 7 can't do the bass as low or as clean as the R200 and the newer tweeter is sublime

    I haven't listened to a pair of 703's in forever so can't comment. They are much larger foot print, IIRC.

    The R200 is a phenomenal speaker for it's size and price. The balance is so good and highs so open and no detectable midrange coloring. Very pure and then the quality and quantity of bass is excellent.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • mantis
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    IMO, I think the mids and up the LSi 7 and R200 will be similar. The LSi 7 can't do the bass as low or as clean as the R200 and the newer tweeter is sublime

    I haven't listened to a pair of 703's in forever so can't comment. They are much larger foot print, IIRC.

    The R200 is a phenomenal speaker for it's size and price. The balance is so good and highs so open and no detectable midrange coloring. Very pure and then the quality and quantity of bass is excellent.

    H9

    I really want to buy them so I can hear them. I missed out on the LSIM line all but the LSIM 703 . So the Reserve line I'd love to mess around with the entire line to really hear how they sound and perform. I'm probably gonna grab them so I can dig in.

    I will be running them for 2 channel by themselves and then with a Subwoofer or subwoofers depending on where I decide to mess around with them.

    The LSI7's I thought would be a cool Office wall mount solution again with a subwoofer. I use to own them many years ago and really thought they where one of the all starts of the LSI line. I kinda miss that line honestly.
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  • VR3
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    Only need one sub, bass isn't directional


    😁
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  • msg
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    Someone tell Trey his account's been hacked.
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  • EndersShadow
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    Keep in mind if memory serves parts for the 703 are non-existent and they were not made as long as the LSI-7s, so parts for the LSI 7s are likely more easier to come by.

    I’ve heard 703s, LSI 7s, R200s.

    The 703s were good and opened up when given good clean power.

    The LSI 7s were very balanced and were the best of the LSI series IMHO.

    The R200 were super easy to listen to and sounded quite good.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,092
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    Check Audio Advisor if you don't mind open box sales. They have had some great discounts on R200's. I've bought several open box/demo items from them and they are like new.....couldn't tell they were not brand new.

    For example

    https://www.audioadvisor.com/por200-blk?sku=DEMO-POR200-BLK-PR

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • mantis
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Only need one sub, bass isn't directional


    😁

    My Man, Bass is room dependent. If you only sit in one spot, you can get away with 1 sub and get good results. But if you like to switch it up from time to time, 2 subs will give you when properly placed and calibrated of course more even bass across more seating locations. Everyone NEEDS more subs LOL.
    Dan
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  • mantis
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    msg wrote: »
    Someone tell Trey his account's been hacked.

    I was thinking the same thing
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    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Keep in mind if memory serves parts for the 703 are non-existent and they were not made as long as the LSI-7s, so parts for the LSI 7s are likely more easier to come by.

    I’ve heard 703s, LSI 7s, R200s.

    The 703s were good and opened up when given good clean power.

    The LSI 7s were very balanced and were the best of the LSI series IMHO.

    The R200 were super easy to listen to and sounded quite good.

    Short and sweet. The LSIM's never completely impressed me but again I only got to listen to the 703's and never got to hear any other model in that line. The LSI line I owned all of them except the LSI powered towers but I did install them many times as Tweeter carried them when I worked there.

    The R200's I'm gonna grab as I want to dig into the Reserve line as I'm not a fan of finish options, everything I have heard about them , they are remarkable. Some like them more than the Legend series which is a huge statement.
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  • Gardenstater
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    R200 got looked at by Danny Richie:

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/200085/danny-richie-does-the-polk-r200#latest
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  • mantis
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    Gardenstater wrote: »
    R200 got looked at by Danny Richie:

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/200085/danny-richie-does-the-polk-r200#latest

    I watched the upgrade video he did on the R200's. He basically kicked them and then upgraded them with better crossover parts and replaced the binding posts.
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  • Gardenstater
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    I'll watch it again. I think he had some bad ringing in the CSD plot and moved the crossover point to minimize iirc (or maybe a notch filter), but don't hold me to that. He didn't like the ferromagnetic steel in the sandcast resistors and the binding posts, and the use of mylar caps.
    George / NJ

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  • VR3
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    Anyone chasing the Dannie Ritchie sound can skip all of the hub hub and just buy studio monitors
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,098
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    Also, the smaller the subwoofer the better, High powered long excursion... No need for large drivers or excessive displacement. Dsp can fill the void

    The r200 is a good speaker but I really preferred my definitive pm500 in my application. Something about the midrange in the 200 just did not work for me.

    The 703 is very bloated sounding with a glass tweeter

    The lsi line is one of Polks better products. The proof is in the longevity of the line and somewhat loyal fan base.

    I have heard the lsi series many times modded and stock and they have always been good enough to sustain a solid listening session
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  • Gardenstater
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Anyone chasing the Dannie Ritchie sound can skip all of the hub hub and just buy studio monitors

    I don't know anyone who has done one of his upgrade kits on their speakers and reported subjective before and after listening tests. Clearly, Danny doesn't do them and wouldn't be able to since the people only send him one of their speakers, and not the pair.

    No doubt in my mind that the process he goes through of showing before and after CSD plots, Frequency Response both on axis and off axes in the vertical and horizontal directions, and phase and impedance plots is a reasonably valid one but not the whole picture.

    I think his process of improving the quality of the components in the crossover and quality of connections and wiring is pretty hard to find fault with.
    George / NJ

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  • VR3
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    The fact is he takes one speaker, takes measurements and aims for a flat response.

    He recommends using high quality parts and adding no rez.

    It is what it is, the man knows his stuff but having owned a product he designed, using his drivers, etc - I can tell you the sound and end result is not for me... but this hobby is subjective either way.
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