Neil young has pulled most of his music from tidal

Neil young has pulled all his music from tidal, at least the ones he owns the masters of.
He said he has a problem with tidal calling his recordings masters, as they are not his masters. According to neil, tidal can call them tidal masters, but not just masters. Wonder how long it will take to straighten this out?

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  • warren
    warren Posts: 750
    tidal calling his recordings masters, as they are not his masters. According to neil.
    Semantics ?
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 1,883
    They should just call his albums MQA instead of their hyped term of "Masters", in fact they should tell it like it is for all their collection. I wondered if Neil Young didn't like JayZee or what the heck was going on. He may be rubbed the wrong way by the fact that his Pono player and music service apparently went the way of the Dodo bird.
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    He left a few jems behind :D
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 45,744
    Likely because he wasn't making enough money off them. Besides, he's crackpot.
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  • audioluvr
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    Neil Yuck. No sweat off my **** :D
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 7,646
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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,950
    Friggin' Canadians :p

    My understanding is what George touched on, in that MQA is basically Tidal's version of the master, which is to say, they have altered things a bit. Apparently Neil does not approve of the 're-mix'.

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  • BlueBirdMusic
    BlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,475
    edited January 29
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 578
    I don't really believe it's about the sound quality issue, otherwise he would have pulled his music a long time ago.
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,908
    invalid wrote: »
    I don't really believe it's about the sound quality issue, otherwise he would have pulled his music a long time ago.

    Most never would have been recorded to begin with. I would rather listen to the vocal stylings of Tiny Tim...
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 14,413
    Although I don’t listen to his music anymore, when he rocked he could really R&R. I spent many an hour enjoying those tunes.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 1,883
    edited January 30
    I wouldn't doubt for a second that Neil Young is anti MQA, because he was one of the first proponents of high resolution digital music with his Pono Player and music service. He is probably more of a purist.

    He does rock. Just take Cortez the Killer Live as an example of that. I've seen him twice. The last time was when he was getting out of his grunge thing and into a 50's rock style with Neil and the Shocking Pinks.
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 7,646
    invalid wrote: »
    I don't really believe it's about the sound quality issue, otherwise he would have pulled his music a long time ago.

    Most never would have been recorded to begin with. I would rather listen to the vocal stylings of Tiny Tim...

    Ha I will take Cortez The Killer over Tip Toe Through The Tulips any day.

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  • delkal
    delkal Posts: 760
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    I don't really believe it's about the sound quality issue, otherwise he would have pulled his music a long time ago.

    Most never would have been recorded to begin with. I would rather listen to the vocal stylings of Tiny Tim...

    Ha I will take Cortez The Killer over Tip Toe Through The Tulips any day.

    Neil Young Archives is well worth the $1.99 a month.

    Just get the 2 CD greatest hits album Decade. This should be more than enough for most people. It covers his early days with Buffalo Springfield till when he started "feuding" with his record company and putting out crap for another decade (or two).

    How many times can you listen to a song from his Trans or rockabilly albums?
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,950
    Harvest is a well-recorded album...nice one to have on vinyl. No comment on his sentiments or message, though.
    Don't need him around anyhow...
    I've wondered John, are you originally from Alabama? Both sides of my family are from there, and those roots run pretty deep. I couldn't help but notice your avatar of the guys from Ft. Payne :)
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  • nooshinjohn
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  • jdjohn
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    How about J.D. Sumner, the Stamps quartet, the Letterman, Mills Brothers? I have a treasure trove of those in my dad's collection. They are mostly gospel.
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  • displayname
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    invalid wrote: »
    Wonder how long it will take to straighten this out?
    Probably long enough to agree on a check signed to Neil that ends with 5 to 6 zeros.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,908
    invalid wrote: »
    Wonder how long it will take to straighten this out?
    Probably long enough to agree on a check signed to Neil that ends with 5 to 6 zeros.

    agreed...
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  • jdjohn
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    Oh, and the Cathedrals quartet.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,587
    invalid wrote: »
    Wonder how long it will take to straighten this out?
    Probably long enough to agree on a check signed to Neil that ends with 5 to 6 zeros.

    agreed...

    Not really...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,330
    jdjohn wrote: »
    How about J.D. Sumner, the Stamps quartet, the Letterman, Mills Brothers? I have a treasure trove of those in my dad's collection. They are mostly gospel.

    If you don't have any of their output, you might want to add The Fairfield Four to your list. :)


  • displayname
    displayname Posts: 960
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Wonder how long it will take to straighten this out?
    Probably long enough to agree on a check signed to Neil that ends with 5 to 6 zeros.

    agreed...

    Not really...
    https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-much-do-music-streaming-services-pay-musicians/

    Those are the standard rates for "normal" artist. This doesn't always apply in the same way for major artist who demand custom contracts. Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Metallica, and now Neil Young have all pulled their music from various platforms at times, only to come to an agreement to have their music put back on later. The deal with the most public figures that I can think of is Joe Rogan moving his podcast to being exclusively on Spotify. They paid Rogan upwards of $100 Million dollars for that deal, well above any existing price per stream standards.

    If Tidal wants Neil back, they might have to tweak their "masters" wording. But I highly doubt that would be enough. They are going to need to bring out their lawyers and checkbooks too.
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