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  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,613
    edited September 2020
    I'm no pool expert, but have a buddy with an inground pool with hot tub adjacent to the pool, not free standing. Pool is about 16 ish by 40 ish, not sure.
    He says his gas bill when heating the pool is about $400 per month, just for the pool.
    I don't understand how a heat pump would be cheaper, but curious to know.
  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,686
    edited September 2020
    The way it was explained to me is that the electric heat pump is more efficient but cannot create as many btu overall.

    So a typical gas heater has an efficiency rating of 82. So it loses 18% of the heat it creates ie. not transferred to the pool water. But it can make more heat units than a heat pump. So if the gas heater produces 250k btu your only getting 205k btu to the water.

    I think of it like bhp of an engine compared to rwhp of the car.

    The heat pump if much more efficient as it can create 3-4 usable units of heat for each unit of electricity consumed, but it isn’t capable of producing the amount of btu as the gas heater. A typical heat pump makes about 130k btu.

    So the trade off is making the pool hotter faster because the higher btu of the gas heater but done less efficiently and costs more for the wasted energy/heat/fuel.

    Or the pool takes longer to heat with a heat pump but costs much less because of the efficient operation of the heat pump.

    Another aspect we had to consider though is heat loss of the pool itself and if the lower output of the heat pump can effectively heat the pool when ambient temperatures drop and cross winds cool off the water. Our conclusion was the gas heater is a more effective heater but you’ll pay for it, but in conjunction with a solar blanket to insulate the pool the heat pump will maintain the pool temps we need and still be much cheaper to operate.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,346
    You'll just have a shorter season too thus saving more money. Looking forward to the pics of the build
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,371
    A solar cover will go a long way to economize your heater use. Temp is lost thru evaporation, covers greatly reduce evaporation. It'll also help keep your calcium levels in check.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,346
    Fwiw we use liquid solar blanket. Safer if kids or pets accidentally fall in.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,104
    Willow wrote: »
    Fwiw we use liquid solar blanket. Safer if kids or pets accidentally fall in.

    huh...never heard of such a thing. Looks really interesting. We have one of those bubble wrap covers but it is a PITA. Do you think liquid blanket works?
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  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,597
    Liquid blanket! I’ll try it tonight, while in bed, if I get a chill.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,346
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Willow wrote: »
    Fwiw we use liquid solar blanket. Safer if kids or pets accidentally fall in.

    huh...never heard of such a thing. Looks really interesting. We have one of those bubble wrap covers but it is a PITA. Do you think liquid blanket works?

    I think it does used it every year except this year and I've been having to top up the pool quite a bit
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,346
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    This is how they tapped into my gas.
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  • They brought the pool kit today, but still no hole in the ground.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,250
    Baby steps Jeremy, There must be an environment study first before you wipe out all those endangered grasshoppers and crickets....
  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 10,346
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Baby steps Jeremy, There must be an environment study first before you wipe out all those endangered grasshoppers and crickets....

    And to be sure that no grass blades are harmed.
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  • I hear you there. My lawn is looking great right now, but it’s about to trashed.
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,382
    You should set up an elaborate excavation camp in the middle of the pool, and dig a little hole with a garden trowel, and when they arrive tell them you were getting a head start to help them out. Bonus points if you setup a folding table with plans drawn out.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,250
    LMAO 😂😂😂
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,371
    Here's a great YouTube channel for pool info:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNgsSPdGSsja_Y2ZmVFaDKg

    They also have a forum.
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  • Awesome! Thanks Steve.
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  • With all the rain we have had this month (prolly 10") I had to add a bag of salt. Water level is high and now we are polishing the water... I am now ready for the winter... B)

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  • Nice! Your pool looks fantastic!
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • Your place always looks pristine Mikey! I always like seeing homes with pride of ownership. Note to self, never break into your pool with a guard dog on duty.
  • charley96 wrote: »
    Your place always looks pristine Mikey! I always like seeing homes with pride of ownership. Note to self, never break into your pool with a guard dog on duty.
    Tommy would prolly

    get you a towel...
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    "NO, WAIT!"
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  • Wait? That’s all we’ve been doing.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 14,289
    Have fun. I have to say it looks strange not seeing fences separating all the yards. Funny how different parts of the country have different attitudes towards property.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,686
    edited October 2020
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Have fun. I have to say it looks strange not seeing fences separating all the yards. Funny how different parts of the country have different attitudes towards property.

    Yes we like not having the fences in our circle. Lots of green space behind our homes; very park like. However we will of course have our pool area fenced in.
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 3,181
    Some say waking up to a dead body in you pool Sunday morning is population control.
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    Sort of like making tea, in a way.
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