So, you think speaker cables don't matter, think again.

F1nut
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,116
    Interesting.
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    I like the cubed globe! Noice! B)
  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,136
    I guess if he had used a shielded cable it would've done the same but that wouldn't address the noise on the line which he didn't test for in this video. Still pretty cool though.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,708
    I guess if he had used a shielded cable it would've done the same but that wouldn't address the noise on the line which he didn't test for in this video. Still pretty cool though.

    Do you know of any speaker cable that is shielded? As for noise on the line, that is power related and is addressed with power conditioning.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,136
    He stated in the video that component manufacturers try to filter out the noise but are only partially successful, so yes power conditioning would probably be a partial solution but I believe he also stated that the components create their own noise internally. I believe I have seen shielded speaker cables although I understand that they are not common compared to shielded interconnects but he commented that some would say that was the solution but he didn't agree because of the fact that it doesn't address the "noise on the line" as he referred to it, but he seemed to also be including the internal noise of the component as being part of that.
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  • TEAforONE
    TEAforONE Posts: 999
    I’m sure someone will come up with a reason why this video is snake oil. Me personally,when I see someone say cables make no difference,I just move on. Great video. Thanks for sharing the link!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Good cables make a big improvement to the sound. However, I don't watch videos.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Good cables make a big improvement to the sound. However, I don't watch videos.

    Codswallup!
  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    And great post Jesse. Thank You
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,708
    He stated in the video that component manufacturers try to filter out the noise but are only partially successful, so yes power conditioning would probably be a partial solution but I believe he also stated that the components create their own noise internally. I believe I have seen shielded speaker cables although I understand that they are not common compared to shielded interconnects but he commented that some would say that was the solution but he didn't agree because of the fact that it doesn't address the "noise on the line" as he referred to it, but he seemed to also be including the internal noise of the component as being part of that.

    Ah yes, you're right. Components do create their own noise.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • ptrooper
    ptrooper Posts: 501
    Cables don’t any difference. Reference to mm2 ❤️
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    I use braided cables.

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  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,825
    edited July 2020
    I liked the part when he said the name of the radio station they were using...

    Since the speaker cables are the last link in the chain, would it be as beneficial to have all the cables be of similar construction (power, IC, etc.), or is it a case of too much of a good thing? For the record, I know cables make a difference, I'm just trying to grasp his ideas a little better.
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    I believe in that theory myself, keep all materials as equal as possible. If you like Wireworld gear, have it at all steps (IC, PC, Spk etc). I personally like AQ and have it in as many connections as I can afford.
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 2,987
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I use braided cables.

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    That must be an I/C cable...probably Kimber? For speaker cable, I can't figure out what the third color of wire would be for.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 27,968
    Looks to be the equivalent of a 4 conductor setup

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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 475
    edited July 2020
    Hey you know what, that video made me change my mind. I now do believe in certain kinds of noise rejecting cables. The only thing I needed to do was make the connection, remembering way back when cellular phones used to make our devices which produce sound would make it chirp, chirp, chirp from the cellular signals.
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  • pawelmwo
    pawelmwo Posts: 137
    Interesting video, so without breaking the bank, what would be some interconnects and speaker cables that could be used to the equivalent of what this gentleman is proposing? I imagine you'd need quality jumpers, interconnects, speaker cables. Especially for those of us using external amplifiers.
  • pawelmwo
    pawelmwo Posts: 137
    Here is a counter argument from Ethan Winer he developed a device to test wire differences:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWt3kANA3Q
  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,420
    Your ears are the only device that accurately test wire difference. Look for OCC copper cables or better
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 4,636
    I thought everybody was running lamp chord.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,969
    Pay attention to gauge too
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,136
    edited July 2020
    It's sad that he thinks that his resistance, capacitance, and inductance are all there is to it. The ear is an instrument too, only we can't quantify what it hears, yet. Maybe when there is artificial intelligence. I'm sure there must be things going on, involving electrons ability to transmit musical information that he isn't measuring.

    I'm doubtful of his null testing. I don't think it measures the difference in speed or transient response between different cables in a quantitative way. Music signals are way too complicated. If impedance of different cables at different frequencies is different (which it is), there's no way to have equal volumes across the whole audio frequency band.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,136
    Maybe part of the problem is that electronic measurement instrumentation has to sum things together, which is something that the human ear does not do, or at least it does it in a different way.
    George / NJ

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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited July 2020
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I use braided cables.
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    jdjohn wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I use braided cables.
    That must be an I/C cable...probably Kimber? For speaker cable, I can't figure out what the third color of wire would be for.

    That would be the Krux Kable by KnuKonceptz.
    The Krux Kable concept is simple, deliver a smooth sounding, high purity signal path for your analog audio signal. Construction begins with oxygen free copper (OFC) drawn in three distinct diameters(3D). This 3D design provides optimal signal transmission as low, mid, and upper ranges each travel these diameters with less distortion. Simplifying the design, we have reduced each core to only 7 strands yielding an 18 gauge conductor. Isolating smaller groups of copper minimizes strand interaction to maintain timing and spatial cues.

    With the Krux Speaker Wire, that is where simple ends. A complex interlaced counter braid separates positive and negative conductors within the cable structure. Sixteen isolated conductors, 8 positive and 8 negative cores are woven to make one flexible, large gauge, speaker cable. In straight wire configuration the SPW16 is an 8 gauge (AWG) speaker wire. Configuring for Bi-Wire, the SPW16 yields four 11 gauge conductors.

    The Krux Kable SPW16 is sold as bulk speaker wire by the foot to be assembled by the end user. Termination tips and instructions can be found under product specifications tab.

    KnuKonceptz is known more in the car audio world. I cut my teeth doing car audio installs for myself and others. Some cars are noise free and others the complete opposite to a high degree. Cable placement and shielding is for sure used more so in that enviroment. There were/are many twisted and shielded cables in the car audio marketplace over the years.

    I'm was considering the Krux Kable wire or more likley the ViaBlue SC2 wire for some DIY cables I plan to make and also using Furez plugs.
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    ViaBlue Hybrid SC-2 V3 Silver Series speaker cables have stranded copper conductors plated with genuine silver. The ViaBlue SC-2 speaker cables have a transparent and three-dimensional acoustics and a brilliant, airy quality in the high range. Clean lows and basses homogeneously round out the acoustic pattern. Technically, all of the frequency ranges are cleanly and realistically represented and reproduced in a linear fashion. Both 4 mm2 leads of the SC-2 speaker cable is a rope lay design consisting of seven silver plated copper stranded lays with a total of 448 individual wire conductors. The basic burn-in time of the SC-2 speaker cables is App. 18-20 hours. The total burn-in time is App. 38-40 hours. (Exact times depend on temperature and location)

    ViaBlue SC2 V3 Hybrid Silver/Copper Speaker Cable Specifications
    • Version 3 is the latest SC2 release
    • Silver and Copper Hybrid Speaker Wire
    • 4 mm2-11AWG Construction – 2 Conductor Cable
    • Internally Twisted Conductors
    • Rope lay design for improved sonic quality
    • High Strand Inner Conductor – Total 448 Strands per conductor
    - Positive Conductor - 7 Inner Twisted Bundles of 64 Strands Silver Plated Copper
    - Negative Conductor - 7 Inner Twisted Bundles of 64 Strands Tinned Copper
    • Nominal Outer Cable Thickness 0.360"
    • Weight: 0.328lb (5.25 oz.) per Meter


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