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  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    As we all know the vast majority of tree huggers are total hypocrites that don't practice what they preach. Leo & Al are perfect examples.
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Sure, paint the broad strokes and throw the baby out with the bath water. That kind of thinking is why nothing gets done.
    charley95 wrote: »
    As we all know the vast majority of tree huggers are total hypocrites that don't practice what they preach. Leo & Al are perfect examples.

  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    The market is pursuing other options than ICE.
    I don't know that government is the best to judge a winner.
    The marketplace will prevail. We haven't really even solved
    the power generation thing yet. Solar and wind really aren't
    great for steady reliable power. We need to get past the "fad"
    stuff and decide how to go. Iceland's geothermal power is
    great. Traditional nuclear is not going to cut it.
    There are some newer ways to use nuclear power that
    are far safer and cheaper to build than the old brute force
    ones used in the past. The Chinese are leaving us in the dust
    when it comes to that new area of power generation.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    We have the capability to become almost totally renewable. The problem is our infrastructure is not designed for it. Geting the power to where it is needed is a tricky one. That said, we should be way further along than we are presently concerning renewable power.
  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    We can become much better at renewable, but we will NEVER be totally
    renewable. That is a hard fact that needs to be dealt with.
    There needs to be a solid plan to get there. That means a real discussion,
    A few people buying home solar and forcing power companies to buy back
    during times of the day they don't need it is not going to fix anything. It only
    benefits the people who can afford to buy it. It really doesn't solve the big issues.
    Wind, water, and geothermal needs to be meshed with nuclear and fuel
    power generation in a logical way. Not the random way it's done now.
    We either get politicians that want green, and want to bury everything else.
    Or we get ones that don't want any new green ideas.
    We can do both. Yes, we can hold more than one idea in our head at the same time.
    I don't mean this as an attack on home solar. But until we work together rather than
    fighting over it, it's jut kicking the can down the road.



    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    Let me know how those solar powered airplanes work out. If Jim Jones told you to drink the Kool Aid you probably would've drank it! :D
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,931
    It wouldn't be out of bounds thinking to have all new construction have some sort of Solar capability that would provide for most of their needs. I believe some European areas are doing this. Since most large buildings are mostly glass why not make one side a giant solar collector?

    Just a thought
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    charley95 wrote: »
    Let me know how those solar powered airplanes work out. If Jim Jones told you to drink the Kool Aid you probably would've drank it! :D

    Way to contribute! Thanks for nothing!
  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 3,029
    deronb1 wrote: »
    We have the capability to become almost totally renewable...

    On paper maybe, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. For one thing, the cost is enormous. When that reality is presented, the response is often in the form of empty platitudes such as “the cost of not doing it is far greater”, or “we simply can’t afford not to do it”. These statements tug at the heart strings for sure, but they dodge the question of cost.

    What leaves me most dismayed is the fact that nuclear power is rarely discussed in these arguments. If we truly want to go “green”, then we are going to have to embrace safe nuclear technology. Solar and wind are nice augments to the energy grid, but they are not solutions. You need electricity to charge an electric car - getting that electricity from fossil fuel consumption miles away at a power plant is not “green”...
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  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    It's just common sense. Too many out there preaching the end of the world if we don't act now. If solar saves me $$ in the long run then I'm all in but, if it doesn't I'll rely on coal. If Net zero floats your boat then go for it but don't point the finger at me for being an eco terrorist.
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Its going to take time. A long time, and we have to get over our immediate gratification kick. We need to think long term and steer the proverbial ship in the right direction, instead of chasing our tails eveey four years.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,931
    Problem with nuclear is the spent fuel with a half life of tens of thousands of years. Until we come up with a great way to dispose of it or repurpose it we're just creating a larger devil.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    Everything has a devil aspect to it Ivan, there are no unicorns in the global power scenario. All you do is trade one devil for another....to basically solve a problem that's made up or beyond our control to conquer.

    Truth is, nobody wants to solve the fossil fuel thing, too much money in it.

    Let me ask the crowd this, if a power source became available for free to everyone, by some unknown future inventor, you'd think you'd see it materialize ? Even if one became available you'd pay for, think the fossil fuel industry will just pack their bags and go home ?

    No you wouldn't, Tesla, the scientist, not the company, already proved that theory.

    The whole carbon debate, global warming/cooling, isn't even about the climate. It's about transferring wealth and control. If you for one second think these heads of state, celebrities, give a rats behind about you or the planet, your sorely mistaken. Especially since most have made their riches raping the planet, expanding their carbon footprints, expanding their personal wealth in the process.

    Ever ask yourself, why all this global climate change junk is aimed at the USA ? When we aren't even the planets biggest polluters ? Asia is....anybody aim their distain towards them ? Nahh...Asia would tell them to go suck an egg. We on the other hand, and Europe, are more PC about it and like following trends to make ourselves feel better about who we are. Whether there's truth to it or not.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    In the end nobody talks about the elephant in the room. Human population.
    You drop the world population in half, you solve a lot of problems.
    The US population without immigration was pretty much parity.
    Japan and much of Europe without immigration was on the downturn.
    Too many parts of the world still embrace unchecked procreation.
    At some point we run out of everything. You want less US carbon impact?
    REDUCE POPULATION. Good luck getting buy in on that.



    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    Well said guys! Same with cancer, there's too much $$ in it to have a cure.
  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    Unfortunately, the majority of the scientists regarding climate change have an agenda.
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    Kex wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    If you mean people with common sense that think for themselves and take personal responsibility seriously, then I'd say thank God.
    I take my audio advice from people who know from experience, not my scientist neighbors, just because they went to CalTech or M.I.T.

    I take my climate advice from my scientist neighbors who work at JPL, not some dude on an audio forum.

    On a side note: the scientists have never once offered advice on an audio topic.

    Ahem..... Dr. Mark Hardy....

  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    Messing with you C..... ;)

    Dr H is well regarded in his field and knows audio. Plus he's kind of a goofball as well.
  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    Kex wrote: »
    And of course you have definitive proof to back up this claim? I’ll still take my advice from the experts in their field. Somebody is actually prepared to pay them a salary for their knowledge.

    No proof, just a particular party tells us that 90% of scientists agree on climate change.
    They also tell me they're gonna take care of me when they get elected! :D
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,676
    Kex wrote: »
    And of course you have definitive proof to back up this claim? I’ll still take my advice from the experts in their field. Somebody is actually prepared to pay them a salary for their knowledge.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/29/scientists-tell-un-global-climate-summit-no-emerge/
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,917
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Kex wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    If you mean people with common sense that think for themselves and take personal responsibility seriously, then I'd say thank God.
    I take my audio advice from people who know from experience, not my scientist neighbors, just because they went to CalTech or M.I.T.

    I take my climate advice from my scientist neighbors who work at JPL, not some dude on an audio forum.

    On a side note: the scientists have never once offered advice on an audio topic.

    Ahem..... Dr. Mark Hardy....


    Yeah. but I don't work at JPL :#
  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 3,029
    Kex wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    If you mean people with common sense that think for themselves and take personal responsibility seriously, then I'd say thank God.
    I take my audio advice from people who know from experience, not my scientist neighbors, just because they went to CalTech or M.I.T.

    I take my climate advice from my scientist neighbors who work at JPL, not some dude on an audio forum.

    On a side note: the scientists have never once offered advice on an audio topic.

    For the climate “crisis” to be taken seriously by rational adults, there needs to be significantly more proof (not doctored data), and considerably less emotional flailing (Greta Thunberg - “How dare you...”). “Experts” like Al Gore (Mr private jet and 12,000sq ft home) and Bill Nye the (not a scientist) guy, do nothing but condescend to the “little people”, while they tell us the world will end in 12 years.

    What they don’t talk about is the fact that the US has reduced our carbon emissions at a faster rate than just about any other nation, AND we’ve done it primarily on the back of fracking technology. They also don’t talk about their plans to get China and India on board, mainly because all they get from those countries is the middle finger...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,676
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,878
    A change in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, which was detected after the Fukushima quake in Japan will cause climate change... when are we going to pass laws banning plate tectonics?
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    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    A change in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, which was detected after the Fukushima quake in Japan will cause climate change... when are we going to pass laws banning plate tectonics?

    What does this have to do with man made pollution causing climate change?
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  • charley95
    charley95 Posts: 908
    Do we have hard data as to how much man contributes to climate change?
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,878
    Go back 100,000 years and let’s talk about CO2 levels, or how about 1,000,000 years....
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    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,676
    You want climate change you can believe in? Wait until one of the thousands of volcanoes blows it's top as they have done in the past throwing mankind and every other living thing on earth into a real crisis. After all, mother nature has a way of resetting this planet like nothing else.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,878
    edited October 2019
    BlueFox wrote: »
    A change in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, which was detected after the Fukushima quake in Japan will cause climate change... when are we going to pass laws banning plate tectonics?

    What does this have to do with man made pollution causing climate change?
    It completely blows the premise apart is what it does...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_effects_on_climate

    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/japanquake/earth20110314.html
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    BlueFox wrote: »
    A change in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, which was detected after the Fukushima quake in Japan will cause climate change... when are we going to pass laws banning plate tectonics?

    What does this have to do with man made pollution causing climate change?
    It completely blows the premise apart is what it does...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_effects_on_climate

    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/japanquake/earth20110314.html

    What do either of those links have to do with man made pollution causing climate change?
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