Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can’t match

WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,657
edited September 17 in Going Digital
Well, Well, Well! The competition heats up!

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20869526/amazon-music-hd-lossless-flac-tier-spotify-apple
Amazon has a new, high-quality streaming tier of its music service called Amazon Music HD. It’s priced at $12.99 per month for Prime members ($14.99 per month for everyone else) and you can add it to your existing Amazon Music subscription for an additional $5 per month, whether you’re an individual or family plan subscriber. What you get for the additional cost is access to over 50 million songs in what Amazon is calling HD (16-bit, 44.1kHz or around what you’d expect from a CD), and then “millions” in Ultra HD (24-bit, up to 192kHz), which the company says is the highest available quality for any music streaming.




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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,487
    Great now we have to buy all new streaming equipment once they add Amazon.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,639
    edited September 17
    Is that $12.99 on top of Prime? If so, that is just a bit more than what we are paying for Apple Music (And if not I can pay the difference!). I wonder if I can get my dad to switch to this... and also if it'll work with The Marantz CDP's DAC (Tidal did when I tried it.)
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,674
    WLDock wrote: »
    Well, Well, Well! The competition heats up!

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20869526/amazon-music-hd-lossless-flac-tier-spotify-apple
    Amazon has a new, high-quality streaming tier of its music service called Amazon Music HD. It’s priced at $12.99 per month for Prime members ($14.99 per month for everyone else) and you can add it to your existing Amazon Music subscription for an additional $5 per month, whether you’re an individual or family plan subscriber. What you get for the additional cost is access to over 50 million songs in what Amazon is calling HD (16-bit, 44.1kHz or around what you’d expect from a CD), and then “millions” in Ultra HD (24-bit, up to 192kHz), which the company says is the highest available quality for any music streaming.




    90 Day Free Trial: https://www.amazon.com/music/unlimited/hd?tag=mashable-editpost-20

    24bit 192k may be the highest quality for streaming service..just not for streaming. Catch is, gear that can handle higher rates is needed to jump in that party and actually hear the beauty.

    As for the free trial...oh heck yeah.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,090
    I wonder what app manufacturers will incorporate this first? My guess is BubbleUpnp since they already have Amazon cloud drive as one of their options.
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  • Just got it and from what I am hearing comparable to qobuz in sound quality. The plus is it has channels.
  • Time after time 24/96 sounds amazing sda
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,180
    How many of these streaming services do we need, especially when they all offer different artists. If there was one service that offered all songs in at least CD quality then I might try it, but as of now I will continue to buy CDs and download high-res files. I already have more music than I can ever listen to.
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,048
    edited September 17
    Hopefully Spotify will lose tons of customer's because of this, forcing them to do the same. I'm happy with Tidal as of now for myself but also carry a Spotify account for the Wife. If Spotify was to add a HD tier, then I would drop Tidal. Don't care for having to have a prime membership to Amazon to participate, don't do anything with Amazon anymore.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,180
    You don’t need Prime to use Amazon. It just costs a bit more without Prime.
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  • rebelsoulrebelsoul Posts: 63
    edited September 17
    12.99 with prime 14.99 without
    Better then tidal sound quality
    qobuz sound and have channels
    beautiful layout
    And more music then both of them
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,048
    BlueFox wrote: »
    You don’t need Prime to use Amazon. It just costs a bit more without Prime.

    When's the last time you got a CD from Amazon without a cracked case? I quit ordering stuff from them because of it.
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  • This is great news! I also love that they are coming in with a 90 day trail rather than the typical 30 days. That's a much better timeframe to compare in my opinion.

    Also, very very happy to see them pass on MQA for a pure 24/192 stream. I don't have a major beef with MQA, but I also kind of felt it would get bypassed at some point. I really hope this fires up Spotify to get in gear with lossless. Even if Spotify was $20/month I'd probably still stick with it because it is so well implemented into everything and is such a big part of my daily use and music sharing.

    My question now is can I stream that Ultra HD straight to my CXN? Maybe via GoogleCast or Airplay? Anyone with more streaming experience have any ideas.
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  • ThortonThorton Posts: 1,247
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    You don’t need Prime to use Amazon. It just costs a bit more without Prime.

    When's the last time you got a CD from Amazon without a cracked case? I quit ordering stuff from them because of it.

    I buy 4K blurays and CD's frequently from Amazon and not 1 has been cracked. Two came today in perfect condition. Could it be the carrier who covers your neighborhood?
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  • ThortonThorton Posts: 1,247
    I’m excited about this. Hopefully, it will integrate with Roon.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,180
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    You don’t need Prime to use Amazon. It just costs a bit more without Prime.

    When's the last time you got a CD from Amazon without a cracked case? I quit ordering stuff from them because of it.

    What does that have to do with streaming? I rarely get a cracked case, but that is another reason to get a download from HDTracks if possible.
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  • It also lets me download the songs for free.
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,048
    Nothing it's just I've had dozens of shipments from them damaged due to insufficient packaging CDs, Blu Rays, stuffing them in a cushy envelope don't protect such items at all. I'm just not a fan of the whole Amazon way of doing things
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,674
    BlueFox wrote: »
    How many of these streaming services do we need, especially when they all offer different artists. If there was one service that offered all songs in at least CD quality then I might try it, but as of now I will continue to buy CDs and download high-res files. I already have more music than I can ever listen to.

    I'm with the Fox but as a prime member that 90 day free trial will (like Tidals free trial) give me even more appreciation for my personal library. Plus I might bump into some new artists that perk me up??. Always game to learn about new music.
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  • I was all set to sign up for the trial and then I did something that I know I shouldn't have done. I READ THE FINE PRINT
    The trial isn't for the Ultra HD 24/96-24/192 service. It's only for the HD 16/44.1 service that you can get from a couple of other streaming services.
    So I changed my mind.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,482
    What are you guys using to stream it?
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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 5,185
    I have Amazon prime already for the shipping. I also use Spotify exclusively for streaming.

    If Amazon’s HD Music interface is user friendly, then I would almost assuredly switch away from Spotify.
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,509
    edited September 17
    I was all set to sign up for the trial and then I did something that I know I shouldn't have done. I READ THE FINE PRINT
    The trial isn't for the Ultra HD 24/96-24/192 service. It's only for the HD 16/44.1 service that you can get from a couple of other streaming services.
    So I changed my mind.

    I am Prime Member but never used their pay for music service before. I downloaded their player and started the trial. It is good for the Ultra HD tracks too. Got Springsteen's Thunder Road playing right now in 24 bit audio. Next up is The Clash's Should I Stay or Should I Go in 24 bit. Sounds really good.

    There is a lot of popular and rock music content in 24 bit. Wasn't expecting something like Trimph's Magic Power from their Allied Forces LP to be on there, but it is.

    There are gaps though. If looking for Mark Knopfler, his Sailing to Philadelphia and Shangri-La albums are in Ultra HD 24 bit but Golden Heart and Ragpicker's Dream in are HD (aka CD quality 16 bit audio). Almost all of Rush's albums are available in 24 bit.

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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,674
    Yes there is a charge for the 24 bit. 8 dollars a month more.
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,509
    I'm only seeing the $12.99 a month charge for the HD service that would start being applied in December. Doesn't seem to be a separate option or charge for the Ultra HD library. I know the Unlimited (SD format only) would be $7.99 a month for me since I have a Prime membership for other stuff. I think it says something in the offer that the free trial for 90 days doesn't apply if someone already had their Unlimited music service.
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  • I just got the trial and thru the computer app to my dac i am getting 24/192
  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 558
    I don't really get streaming. Maybe I'm too stuck in the past. I listen to a local university FM station (remember them?) for new music and then either download it from HD tracks or Super Hi Rez if it's available there, or order a CD from Amazon and RIP it, Similar for older re-releases or older stuff I missed at the time. I suppose if you listen to a huge diversity of tunes, streaming maybe makes sense as that would be cheaper than buying downloads/CDs.
  • rebelsoulrebelsoul Posts: 63
    edited September 17
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    3 months free -ultra hd and with prime 12.99 a month after trial.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,704
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    You don’t need Prime to use Amazon. It just costs a bit more without Prime.

    When's the last time you got a CD from Amazon without a cracked case? I quit ordering stuff from them because of it.
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    Nothing it's just I've had dozens of shipments from them damaged due to insufficient packaging CDs, Blu Rays, stuffing them in a cushy envelope don't protect such items at all. I'm just not a fan of the whole Amazon way of doing things

    boom EXACTLY. Prreach it brother

  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,180
    edited September 17
    Interesting. I have hundreds of Blu-Ray disks, and they have never been damaged. Even cheapo CDs have only had a few broken cases.

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  • Can you get the Ultra HD during the free trial without having a Prime membership in advance though?
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