XPA-11 OR XPA DR-3 + XPA-8 for 11 Channel RTi Setup?

I'm building out a new home with a dedicated home theater that is about 24'L x 17'W x 10'H and I'm looking to upgrade electronics to accommodate the 11-channel setup. In my current house I only have 7.1 utilizing a Emotiva UPA-7. I am using a Yamaha Aventage CX-A5200 preamp.

My speakers for the 11.2 setup will be as follows:
Front: Polk RTi12 - already own these, just bought a NIB set from a polkie :)
Center: Polk CSi5 - already own
Surrounds: 4x Polk 265-RT in-wall (will buy)
Atmos: 4x Polk 70-RT in-ceiling (will buy)
2x SVS SB16Ultras (will buy)

My fronts already have upgraded crossovers from the RTiA series since the original ones died, so everything is timber matched to RTiA.

Anyway, on to the point of my discussion, I need new amplifications for 11 channels. I'm looking at either getting an Emotiva XPA-11, OR a XPA-DR3 and an XPA-8.

The XPA-11 has 3 channels at 300 watts, and 8 channels at 65 watts.

The XPA-DR3/XPA-8 option would have 3 channels at 450 watts, 4 at 300 watts, and 4 at 65 watts

The Polks love power but I'm thinking that either option would provide enough power, heck, even my current UPA-7 with half the power does a great job already in a similarly sized room.

I guess my main question is, would the differential architecture of the DR3 provide better sound and clarity for the front 3 channels? Or should I expect it to sound about the same?

Thanks!
polkaudio RTi12 x2
polkaudio CSi5
polkaudio 265-RT x4
polkaudio 90-RT x4
Yamaha Aventage RX-A3080 7.2.4

Comments

  • dolbyddolbyd Posts: 423
    Don't go the XPA-11 route. 11 speakers on 1 power supply is to much. I went 3 amps for my system and it has lots of headroom.

    Also make sure you have at least a couple 20 amp circuits. I have 3 with all my subs included. There is only so many watts you can pull from that line.


    Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 7705, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, Perfect Wave AC-5 x8, Douglas jumpers, SVS Ultra speaker cables, Transparent IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, GIK room treatments

    Office-Infinity Kappa 600, Kappa Center, in ceiling Polk RC80i, Marantz 5012, OPPO 203, Pioneer Elite PDF-59 CD, PSA Stellar 300, Sony 510C 48"

    Master BR- LSi7, LSiC, LSI700 in ceiling, SVS-PC 2000, Marantz 7704, Emotiva XPA-5 G2, OPPO 203, Pioneer DVL-919 Laser Disc, Sony 55" 800B

    Patio- SDI Atrium8 x3, Emotiva A-100 amps x3
  • BjornB17BjornB17 Posts: 691
    dolbyd wrote: »
    Don't go the XPA-11 route. 11 speakers on 1 power supply is to much. I went 3 amps for my system and it has lots of headroom.

    Also make sure you have at least a couple 20 amp circuits. I have 3 with all my subs included. There is only so many watts you can pull from that line.


    Good input, it looks like your system is very close to what mine is/will be. I am semi considering Upgrading to the RTiA series since I like the curved cabinets. How do you like your DR3? I'm also debating using the FXiA dipole surrounds instead of in-walls, not sure yet though.
    polkaudio RTi12 x2
    polkaudio CSi5
    polkaudio 265-RT x4
    polkaudio 90-RT x4
    Yamaha Aventage RX-A3080 7.2.4
  • dolbyddolbyd Posts: 423
    Get the DR3.
    There is a difference when compared to my XPA-2.
    With your 5200 Pre/Pro use the XLR outputs it will be enough voltage to get the full power. The differential reference will need 2.1V to get rated power.

    The RT in-walls are a good way to go if you can place them right where they need to go. I have found the 70-RT in ceilings to be comparable to RTiA3 in quality. The are big so make sure you have the depth for them.
    Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 7705, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, Perfect Wave AC-5 x8, Douglas jumpers, SVS Ultra speaker cables, Transparent IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, GIK room treatments

    Office-Infinity Kappa 600, Kappa Center, in ceiling Polk RC80i, Marantz 5012, OPPO 203, Pioneer Elite PDF-59 CD, PSA Stellar 300, Sony 510C 48"

    Master BR- LSi7, LSiC, LSI700 in ceiling, SVS-PC 2000, Marantz 7704, Emotiva XPA-5 G2, OPPO 203, Pioneer DVL-919 Laser Disc, Sony 55" 800B

    Patio- SDI Atrium8 x3, Emotiva A-100 amps x3
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,128
    Hello,

    I'd go with an XPA5 and an XPA6. Get better power all around. I'm not a fan of the 65w modules when the rest of the system is getting 3X to 4X the power.

    other option is the Monolith 11. it is 3X200W and 8X100w.

    Thing that sucks about in wall speakers is once they're in that's it.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,501
    I would at least go with a more musical amp for your mains, as the RTI line can be quite bright, and the Emotiva line is known to make that tendency more pronounced. Parasound or Rotel would be a good fit for them.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds.

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  • Inspector 24Inspector 24 Posts: 1,228
    Have heard DolbyD's system. Solid advice right there.
    Down
    RTiA9 - CSiA6 - FXiA6 - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
    Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
    Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500

    Up
    LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,128
    A Parasound A31 would cost more than an XPA 5 & 6 together. If it's for theater use then the Emotiva will do just fine. Also the Gen 3 Amps are fairly musical,
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • dolbyddolbyd Posts: 423
    mrloren wrote: »
    A Parasound A31 would cost more than an XPA 5 & 6 together. If it's for theater use then the Emotiva will do just fine. Also the Gen 3 Amps are fairly musical,

    I agree. Also mrloren has a good option there with the XPA-5/6 route. Just do more than 1 power supply.

    The Gen 3 amps are not as bright compared to the earlier lines. I did back to back comparison with my gen2 XPA-5. Big difference for me.
    I have put my Gen2 with the LSi7s and it is a good match but they are a warmer speaker.
    Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 7705, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, Perfect Wave AC-5 x8, Douglas jumpers, SVS Ultra speaker cables, Transparent IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, GIK room treatments

    Office-Infinity Kappa 600, Kappa Center, in ceiling Polk RC80i, Marantz 5012, OPPO 203, Pioneer Elite PDF-59 CD, PSA Stellar 300, Sony 510C 48"

    Master BR- LSi7, LSiC, LSI700 in ceiling, SVS-PC 2000, Marantz 7704, Emotiva XPA-5 G2, OPPO 203, Pioneer DVL-919 Laser Disc, Sony 55" 800B

    Patio- SDI Atrium8 x3, Emotiva A-100 amps x3
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,128
    edited September 16
    I played with an XPA5G1 for a weekend once. Had it hooked in with a Sony ES AVR and RTi8's/CSi5. From some post that would be asking an over bright system. It was actually warmer than just running the RTi's off the AVR.

    Emotiva is not Parasound, and I don't expect it to be.

    Other option would be to go Anthem. MCA 525 and a PVA 7 would come in at $5k, still more than an XPA5/6 combo (about $3,600).

    Options are endless all depends on budget.

    If it was me and a $3,600 budget I'd get an MCA525 and an Outlawaudio 7000X or the XPA5/6 combo.

    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • BjornB17BjornB17 Posts: 691
    Thanks for input all. I decided to just upgrade to LSiM all around, so the Emotiva should do well with mellower speakers like that.
    polkaudio RTi12 x2
    polkaudio CSi5
    polkaudio 265-RT x4
    polkaudio 90-RT x4
    Yamaha Aventage RX-A3080 7.2.4
  • dolbyddolbyd Posts: 423
    Nice! Congrats
    With that 5200 Pre/Pro I would still go the DR3 on the fronts.
    You have the voltage to get the whole 450x3.
    It is a nice amp for the money.
    Main room- RTiA9 x4, CSiA6, in ceiling Atmos RT-70 x4, SVS PC 4000 x2, Marantz 7705, OPPO 203, Emotiva DR3 G3, Emotiva XPA-2 G3, Emotiva XPA-5 G3, Emotiva X300, Sony 75" 940E, Panasonic Plasma VT50, PS Audio Power Port X2, Perfect Wave AC-5 x8, Douglas jumpers, SVS Ultra speaker cables, Transparent IC, Furman PFi20 W/Cullen cable, SoildSteel S4-4 rack, GIK room treatments

    Office-Infinity Kappa 600, Kappa Center, in ceiling Polk RC80i, Marantz 5012, OPPO 203, Pioneer Elite PDF-59 CD, PSA Stellar 300, Sony 510C 48"

    Master BR- LSi7, LSiC, LSI700 in ceiling, SVS-PC 2000, Marantz 7704, Emotiva XPA-5 G2, OPPO 203, Pioneer DVL-919 Laser Disc, Sony 55" 800B

    Patio- SDI Atrium8 x3, Emotiva A-100 amps x3
  • BjornB17BjornB17 Posts: 691
    dolbyd wrote: »
    Nice! Congrats
    With that 5200 Pre/Pro I would still go the DR3 on the fronts.
    You have the voltage to get the whole 450x3.
    It is a nice amp for the money.

    Yep, I'm really wanting the DR3 now :D
    polkaudio RTi12 x2
    polkaudio CSi5
    polkaudio 265-RT x4
    polkaudio 90-RT x4
    Yamaha Aventage RX-A3080 7.2.4
  • Geoff4rfcGeoff4rfc Posts: 1,778
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    dolbyd wrote: »
    Nice! Congrats
    With that 5200 Pre/Pro I would still go the DR3 on the fronts.
    You have the voltage to get the whole 450x3.
    It is a nice amp for the money.

    Yep, I'm really wanting the DR3 now :D

    I agree with the DR3. I have that and two XPA-2 stereo amps driving a 7.0 set up for me.

    I ran my RTiA9's with the DR3 and it was beautiful. A fellow Polkie @ken brydson came over for a demo when my A9's were driven with the XPA-2's for stereo and XPA-2 driven A9's at RearSurround, on stands no less :D Kenny picked out some songs, a few hard rockers from Styx and there was no disappointment. Ha, even I was impressed.....again :D

    I can attest that there is no "brightness" in my system (can I get a witness Kenny). I found with more headroom on the A9's, they became a bit more tame. I believe your 12's would behave no differently.

    Congrats on the LSiM's, I'm currently running 707's on the DR3 with A9's in the rear with the XPA-2 (no stands)…..when you coming over Kenny?? I've got space dust in the fridge.....
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman

    HT
    Source: Oppo 103 - Display: Samsung QLED 65F
    Pre/Processor: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2

    2CH
    Emotiva: ERC 3 connected via XLR's

    Speakers
    PolkAudio Mains: LSiM707, C-706, SS: 702F/X, RS: RTiA9


    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,558
    Geoff4rfc wrote: »
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    dolbyd wrote: »
    Nice! Congrats
    With that 5200 Pre/Pro I would still go the DR3 on the fronts.
    You have the voltage to get the whole 450x3.
    It is a nice amp for the money.

    Yep, I'm really wanting the DR3 now :D

    I agree with the DR3. I have that and two XPA-2 stereo amps driving a 7.0 set up for me.

    I ran my RTiA9's with the DR3 and it was beautiful. A fellow Polkie @ken brydson came over for a demo when my A9's were driven with the XPA-2's for stereo and XPA-2 driven A9's at RearSurround, on stands no less :D Kenny picked out some songs, a few hard rockers from Styx and there was no disappointment. Ha, even I was impressed.....again :D

    I can attest that there is no "brightness" in my system (can I get a witness Kenny). I found with more headroom on the A9's, they became a bit more tame. I believe your 12's would behave no differently.

    Congrats on the LSiM's, I'm currently running 707's on the DR3 with A9's in the rear with the XPA-2 (no stands)…..when you coming over Kenny?? I've got space dust in the fridge.....

    It was badass. The lights dimmed in the house on the heavy stuff. Need to get together again sometime bro.
    HT/Main- Panny 50" G10 Plasma, Pioneer SC-1222k AVR, Panny DMP-BD60 BDP, Polk LS90 mains, CS350LS center, LS/fx side surrounds, LS50 surround backs, SVS 25-31PC+ sub, Harmony One

    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • Geoff4rfcGeoff4rfc Posts: 1,778
    Geoff4rfc wrote: »
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    dolbyd wrote: »
    Nice! Congrats
    With that 5200 Pre/Pro I would still go the DR3 on the fronts.
    You have the voltage to get the whole 450x3.
    It is a nice amp for the money.

    Yep, I'm really wanting the DR3 now :D

    I agree with the DR3. I have that and two XPA-2 stereo amps driving a 7.0 set up for me.

    I ran my RTiA9's with the DR3 and it was beautiful. A fellow Polkie @ken brydson came over for a demo when my A9's were driven with the XPA-2's for stereo and XPA-2 driven A9's at RearSurround, on stands no less :D Kenny picked out some songs, a few hard rockers from Styx and there was no disappointment. Ha, even I was impressed.....again :D

    I can attest that there is no "brightness" in my system (can I get a witness Kenny). I found with more headroom on the A9's, they became a bit more tame. I believe your 12's would behave no differently.

    Congrats on the LSiM's, I'm currently running 707's on the DR3 with A9's in the rear with the XPA-2 (no stands)…..when you coming over Kenny?? I've got space dust in the fridge.....

    It was badass. The lights dimmed in the house on the heavy stuff. Need to get together again sometime bro.

    LOL, I think it was those red beers you brought over that made the lights dim :D

    I don't think I have anything going on this weekend if you're in the neighborhood.
    When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman

    HT
    Source: Oppo 103 - Display: Samsung QLED 65F
    Pre/Processor: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2

    2CH
    Emotiva: ERC 3 connected via XLR's

    Speakers
    PolkAudio Mains: LSiM707, C-706, SS: 702F/X, RS: RTiA9


    EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is
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