NAD C 658 or Cambridge Azur 851N Streamer

gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,730
https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-658-bluos-streaming-dac/
This Streamer Dac looks like it could give the Cambridge 851N a run for its money both are priced the same, and feature wise it looks like this NAD might be a good choice. I'm in no super rush but plan on one of the 2 sometime soon.

I'm not sure if NAD will be at Apoxona but if need be I might find a NAD dealer in Chicago or drive up to Madison to check one of these out. I probably dont need to use all the features the NAD offers. Has anyone had the opportunity to check the C658 out? I was thinking about the Cambridge unit until I seen the reviews on the NAD.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,867
    wow, that puppy is loaded with all sorts of goodies.
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,167
    Little brighter than the 851N. Nice piece Steve. They both are.
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  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 173
    At first glace they seem pretty comparable, but I think it will all come down to what you're looking for. The 815 seems more like a streamer that could function as a preamp, and has a very serviceable DAC for those that want it.

    The NAD seems like a preamp, that is focused on streaming and being a real one box solution. It seems built to be that one box solution for the growing market of powered speakers in my mind. Plus adding a phono preamp while eliminating a digital out points more towards a true one box push. MQA was a smart marketing addition, and so was using the BluOS. But no DSD, and no digital output will probably be a deal breaker for some.

    Both have a few advantages and trade offs, so I think it's a good option if it checks the right boxes for you.
    Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
    Digital: Sony CDP-CE375 / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,730
    edited March 11
    Failed to see that it plays only converted DSD files, good catch.That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me as my Oppo 105D is fine with DSD files plus SACD playback, plus my Marantz plays SACDs. I have no intrest in downloading DSD files to stream, but I can see where it would be a deal breaker for some. Decisions, Decisions. It's down to one these 2 or maybe a Blusound vault.
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,167
    Ahh.. Just get all 3 !!😂😂😂
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,867
    The Nad is billed as a Dac first, so not having the digital output makes sense. Though to me, anything that streams one might want the option of adding different dacs to the mix.
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    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

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  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 173
    tonyb wrote: »
    The Nad is billed as a Dac first, so not having the digital output makes sense. Though to me, anything that streams one might want the option of adding different dacs to the mix.
    I think that would be the deal breaker for me. I don't currently use an external dac, but I've heard what one can do so I don't like the idea of limiting that option.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,724
    No wifi on it for the streaming side. Holm Audio by me is a NAD dealer. If I have a shot this weekend, I was going to stop by there anyway. I will check and see if they have one in stock.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,867
    It has wifi Brian, it's in the specs.
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    SVS SB-2000
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    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

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    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,724
    You sure Tony? I only saw Bluetooth quality Bluetooth aptX HD wireless built-in.

    On some other brands, some headphones and cars, when I see them describe like, Bluetooth "wireless" is not wifi wireless like hit your router. Unless there was another spot or I am reading it wrong.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,867
    Network connectivity
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,724
    Thanks Tony. I completely missed that one. I will see if I can go to Holm and check it out possibly put it against the Node.
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    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T

  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,724
    Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,
    USB helper: w4s Recovery
    Living Room Teac AI-3000,T+A PA 1530R, LSI25, SDA 3.1TL, Aries Mini, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac 11
    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,563
    It has no digital out.

    My suspicion on sound would be a darker background and better details with the Cambridge. I imagine the NAD will have a muddiness to the imaging that the Cambridge won't have. I'd honestly expect it to compete more with the CXN soundwise, but I could be wrong.

    I actually prefer the 851N as a streamer/DAC over the AURALiC Altair I had. The Altair is a bit dry in presentation and the 851N is more musical. The thing holding the 851N back is no USB out and no DSD. The former is an issue for my systems as I use external DAC's almost exclusively, but the latter isn't an issue whatsoever.
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,730
    Well NAD, Cambridge, and Blusound all have rooms at Axopona, so I will be on a mission. Bran if you check it out impressions please, I'm just glad I can check them all out in April at the show.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,217
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    Well NAD, Cambridge, and Blusound all have rooms at Axopona, so I will be on a mission. Bran if you check it out impressions please, I'm just glad I can check them all out in April at the show.

    Cambridge told me that they will be demoing their new Alva turntable at Axpona. Hopefully they'll have some of their streaming gear going as well though.
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,167
    edited March 12
    Or put em all to rest and get yourself a Cambridge Audi Edge NQ 💡I'm sure looking at doing it but I'm slow to change and my 851N is a nice piece.
    Post edited by tophatjohnny on
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,867
    erniejade wrote: »

    WOW, to say he didn't like it much is being polite.
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    SVS SB-2000
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    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

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    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,167
    Or put em all to rest and get yourself a Cambridge Audi Edge NQ 💡I'm sure looking at doing it but I'm slow to change and my 851N is a nice piece.

    Not sure where the Audi part slipped in there ?? Maybe I was typing Azur but don't even know if the Edge NQ is part of that line or not. I'm just knowing the Edge is an intriguing piece and it has me thinking hard.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,041
    Well if you're steering towards the 851N I may be selling mine.

    Kidding. I love this thing. Imaging is crazy good! It's a keeper for me.
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,730
    edited March 12
    O or put em all to rest and get yourself a Cambridge Audi Edge NQ 💡I'm sure looking at doing it but I'm slow to change and my 851N is a nice piece.

    Just checked this one out drool! :o $4000 is a bit over my budget, I would get %6 off purchasing from World Wide Stereo using the discount from some employee purchase sight through work. It will still be over my budget with the 6% off. I'm looking forward to checking it out.
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    2 Channel
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    Stuff for the Head
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    Shower & Off the beaten path Rigs
    Polk Audio Boom Swimmer, Polk Audio Urchin B)
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,167
    A bit over my budget too, but it's going to happen when I get a few other things out of the way. 😃
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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