Oh. "Mysterious BMW fires"

mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,596
edited February 2019 in The Clubhouse
I didn't know BMWs were self-immolating.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mysterious-bmw-fires-continue-calls-investigation-grow-102004136--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_10

So far, it sounds like this is going about as well as Audi's cars-self-accelerating imbroglio went back in the 1980s.

from the link above:
BMW insists that car fires can result from a variety of external reasons "unrelated to product defects." In 2017, a company spokesperson suggested several other potential causes of car fires, including a lack of maintenance, improper maintenance by unauthorized mechanics, aftermarket modifications, rodent nesting and even arson.

Wonder if the Bimmer spokesperson is an ex-Audi guy?

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  • verbverb Posts: 10,203
    Interesting. Probably electrical related, IMO. With cars today so heavily electrical/computer controlled, certainly plausible.
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  • This is not being handled well at all. In Audi’s defense the self acceleration turned out not to be Audi’s fault. Problem was that it took years to prove that and in the interim the press had played judge, jury and executioner nearly running Audi out of business.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,596
    Audi was pretty typically Teutonic in their response, which didn't play well in the US.
    BMW seems to be following in their footsteps.

    Mind you, I am not at all anti-Teutonic (having minored in German in college), but I am still amused and enjoying a little Schadenfreude I must admit :|
  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 1,494
    edited February 2019
    Or this oldie but goodie media hatchet job...

    Gm trucks exploding from side impacts - as long as incendiary devices are placed under the truck...

  • verbverb Posts: 10,203
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Or this oldie but goodie media hatchet job...

    Gm trucks exploding from side impacts - as long as incendiary devices are placed under the truck...


    Yeah. NBC had to publicly apologize.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,695
    edited February 2019
    Nah, there's no fake news from the main stream media. 🤔
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  • xschopxschop Posts: 1,437
    Probably a cross-company shared part such as Ford's leaky Master cylinders that set many home ablaze. BMW's at one point were installing GM transmissions in some of their sedans.
    Porsches have Mercedes and Audi transmissions, rebadges Audi brakes etc. depending on Model.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,746
    GM transmissions were used by Rolls Royce and Bentley right up until the Silver Seraphs were launched. They switched to ZF gearboxes at that point.
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  • CoolJazzCoolJazz Posts: 554
    A few years ago, a guy I work with went by "briefly" to work on a Saturday morning to take care of something. He's very thoughtful that way and very caring about leaving no one hanging. He said his car missed a bit the last few blocks coming in, but he didn't give it too much thought. He goes in and just several minutes later, another guy had stepped outside to grab a smoke and came haulin' back in to report his car was smoking...a lot. The two go running back out to see the front light up with fire. Now, being the thoughtful guy he is, he worried immediately he'd pulled right up to the building! So they did the only logical thing and opened the doors and using the frame pushed it back across the drive so it was 25ft or so away.

    So meantime, it really goes up. Shortly they have fire trucks and all there. Car is burnt toast.

    Yes, it was a several year old BMW.

    A couple of the guys then on Monday made a memorial right in front of where it rested it's last day.

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  • xschopxschop Posts: 1,437
    Usually a heat-cracked flexible fuel line near the exhaust manifold.....
    Maintenance is not on some folks agenda.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,746
    My dad traded in a Ford LTD wagon in 1983 or '84... The porter got in it to move the car to clean it up for resale a day or two later, and it caught fire and burned. Had it happen to a brand new Hellcat Challenger when I was working as a service manager. The fuel rail was not properly tightened at the factory....
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,665
    edited February 2019
    I remember well the days of caburated engines. Seeing a car on fire was commonplace.

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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,493
    I remember well the days of caburated engines. Seeing a car on fire was commonplace.

    Agreed you used to see a lot more of it. My friend's Road Runner burnt to the ground because it backfired through the air cleaner less carb. Leaded gas back then also had more of an explosive burn to it than the slower burning gas we have today.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,746
    ^^^ More incontrovertible proof that things were better back in the day. Even gasoline was better. And those were steel cars that burned too, unlike the plastic crap they build today.. ;)B)
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,493
    ^^^^Haha well I wouldn't go quite that far. There's no doubt the engineers squeeze a lot more hp from much smaller and cleaner burning engines nowadays even without the leaded 89 octane gas. Also the advances they've made in cleaner burning diesel engines in just the past few years help us all breathe cleaner air as well.
  • xschopxschop Posts: 1,437
    "Also the advances they've made in cleaner burning diesel engines in just the past few years help us all breathe cleaner air as well"
    The well-coordinated campaign to deceive the public about this "clean diesel" has been brought to light recently.

  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,493
    ^^^Ok; take a look at a modern diesel's exhaust pipe. Just a few years ago it would be black with soot and now they look clean like a car's exhaust. Seeing and breathing is believing. I work on and around diesels all day long at work and I like coming now without a headache from breathing their exhaust. Some of the older diesels were instant headache machines the old 2 stroke Detroit diesels used to get to me right away. The clean burn system is in it's infancy and may not be perfect but they've come a long ways already.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,596
    Wonder if there are emissions standards for the automobiles themselves when they combust? ;)
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    The clean diesel scam was really about software, changing from testing mode to actual driving mode, allowing more crap to be exhausted. It was really just a way to meet EPA standards, but at the cost of power. In the world of big trucks, power is something you can't skimp on. They got busted....still costing them a fortune.

    Nobody is against cleaner air, or shouldn't be anyway. However when EPA regulations get a bit unrealistic, ways around it get developed, legal or not.

    I gave up my CDL years ago, the over regulation of trucks, laws in my state, just got ridiculous. Now, we have a shortage of truck drivers. Who could have seen that coming. ;)
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,665
    edited February 2019
    The issue with diesel is not the exhaust gasses, but the actual particulate matter spewed out the exhaust.
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,493
    I gave up my CDL years ago, the over regulation of trucks, laws in my state, just got ridiculous. Now, we have a shortage of truck drivers. Who could have seen that coming. ;)

    Those regulations are in place for good reason. Where I work we also have a severe shortage of good truck drivers. Last season 2 of them went down the highway with their body's up and hit overpasses. One of them (God rest his soul) went through the windshield and then his truck ran over him killing him instantly. The other fellow luckily was wearing his seatbelt and was able to walk away from his destroyed truck. Had another driver fall asleep at the wheel on the highway fully loaded. He was lucky to as he veered into the woods where he tipped over spilled his load of blacktop and destroyed the new Mack.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    edited February 2019
    ….and because you have a shortage of GOOD truck drivers, they hire these idiots who can barely speak, barely drive a Barbie kids car, and put them behind the wheel of a big truck.

    Which is more dangerous ? Excessive regulations or poor drivers ? Notice I said "excessive", certainly not for no regulations.

    In my state, your guilty until proven innocent, even then it don't matter, you get a strike against your license which impacts you driving a passenger vehicle. You are also held criminally responsible by law, and can see jail time if the offense is bad enough. Not to mention the extreme costs of fines. Medical exams you have to go through, books to keep, etc. Nobody worth their salt wants to put up with the B.S., so you get sub-par truck drivers who will.

    When you make it too difficult, introduce too many headaches , make it so you need a lawyer to keep up with all the laws or to have to defend yourself for simple violations, to make a living at simple jobs, people will stop applying for those jobs, plain and simple.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,596
    Trucks'll be driving themselves (at least long haul) within a decade (possibly less) -- there'll be some sort of hired hand on board to help unload it at the terminal, I expect.
  • I thought the world was gonna end in 12 years. If not, we'll be flying in solar airplanes. :D
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,596
    charley95 wrote: »
    I thought the world was gonna end in 12 years. If not, we'll be flying in solar airplanes. :D

    ... not the "redeyes" ;)
  • xschopxschop Posts: 1,437
    For an ICE, diesel or gasoline, you will never achieve the full balance of Carbon emission to Nitrous emission. Cooking the books like VW is the only way.
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,493
    tonyb wrote: »
    ….and because you have a shortage of GOOD truck drivers, they hire these idiots who can barely speak, barely drive a Barbie kids car, and put them behind the wheel of a big truck.

    Which is more dangerous ? Excessive regulations or poor drivers ? Notice I said "excessive", certainly not for no regulations.

    In my state, your guilty until proven innocent, even then it don't matter, you get a strike against your license which impacts you driving a passenger vehicle. You are also held criminally responsible by law, and can see jail time if the offense is bad enough. Not to mention the extreme costs of fines. Medical exams you have to go through, books to keep, etc. Nobody worth their salt wants to put up with the B.S., so you get sub-par truck drivers who will.

    When you make it too difficult, introduce too many headaches , make it so you need a lawyer to keep up with all the laws or to have to defend yourself for simple violations, to make a living at simple jobs, people will stop applying for those jobs, plain and simple.

    Very well said and I have agree. Sadly that's what I get for trying to defend our less than stellar truck drivers.
  • obieoneobieone Posts: 5,108
    verb wrote: »
    Interesting. Probably electrical related, IMO. With cars today so heavily electrical/computer controlled, certainly plausible.

    Yup, all it takes is one 'low bid' relay or chip, and ***POOF***
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