VTL 120/50 Stereo Tube Amp

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  • I used to own a pair of VTL ST100 monoblocks and a ST150 Stereo amp. I still own a 2.5 preamp and a ST85 power amp. David Manley was one of the worlds best tube amp designers. my advice is that if you can afford it try to get something new with a warranty.
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  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    Thanks everyone for your input. In the end, I was able to negotiate the price down a bit, but decided to pass on this piece.

    And the journey continues! :smile:
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,881
    Aw, man, you're looking at this all wrong. Buy a tube amp and get different, more efficient speakers to pair with the tube set up...then, start looking for a really good SS amp to pair with the SDS's. Problem solved.
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    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 21,466
    edited October 2018
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Aw, man, you're looking at this all wrong. Buy a tube amp and get different, more efficient speakers to pair with the tube set up...then, start looking for a really good SS amp to pair with the SDS's. Problem solved.

    He's got -- if memory serves -- a Bottlehead S*E*X amplifier just waitin' to be aroused umm, I mean, rehabbed.

    :)

    Fleapower, baby!
  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    edited October 2018
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Aw, man, you're looking at this all wrong. Buy a tube amp and get different, more efficient speakers to pair with the tube set up...then, start looking for a really good SS amp to pair with the SDS's. Problem solved.

    He's got -- if memory serves -- a Bottlehead S*E*X amplifier just waitin' to be aroused umm, I mean, rehabbed.

    :)

    Fleapower, baby!

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice pair of high efficiency speakers!

    I may say, that my SS CJ handles the SRS's with ease. That paired with the VTL pre, I can see why so many here rave about the tube pre/SS power amp setup!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 21,466
    verb wrote: »
    ...

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice of high efficiency speakers!
    ...

    D'oh!
    I guess perhaps I should do something about that... :p

  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    ...

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice of high efficiency speakers!
    ...

    D'oh!
    I guess perhaps I should do something about that... :p

    Edited comment to include the word pair ! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,906
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Aw, man, you're looking at this all wrong. Buy a tube amp and get different, more efficient speakers to pair with the tube set up...then, start looking for a really good SS amp to pair with the SDS's. Problem solved.

    He's got -- if memory serves -- a Bottlehead S*E*X amplifier just waitin' to be aroused umm, I mean, rehabbed.

    :)

    Fleapower, baby!

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice pair of high efficiency speakers!

    I may say, that my SS CJ handles the SRS's with ease. That paired with the VTL pre, I can see why so many here rave about the tube pre/SS power amp setup!

    Yep, if you have big speakers, the tube pre /SS amp combo will have you slapping the monkey. Tube amps have their own special allure also, but better speaker matching is the name of that game. Unless you can afford the bigger tube amps. Tube power around the 100 watt + area is going to cost ya some donuts.

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  • halohalo Posts: 4,989
    tonyb wrote: »
    Tube power around the 100 watt + area is going to cost ya some donuts.

    And a cannoli!
  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    tonyb wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Aw, man, you're looking at this all wrong. Buy a tube amp and get different, more efficient speakers to pair with the tube set up...then, start looking for a really good SS amp to pair with the SDS's. Problem solved.

    He's got -- if memory serves -- a Bottlehead S*E*X amplifier just waitin' to be aroused umm, I mean, rehabbed.

    :)

    Fleapower, baby!

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice pair of high efficiency speakers!

    I may say, that my SS CJ handles the SRS's with ease. That paired with the VTL pre, I can see why so many here rave about the tube pre/SS power amp setup!

    Yep, if you have big speakers, the tube pre /SS amp combo will have you slapping the monkey. Tube amps have their own special allure also, but better speaker matching is the name of that game. Unless you can afford the bigger tube amps. Tube power around the 100 watt + area is going to cost ya some donuts.

    This CJ looks like it may do the trick!
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    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    ...

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice of high efficiency speakers!
    ...

    D'oh!
    I guess perhaps I should do something about that... :p

    Uh, yeah! :smile: Ready to do a joint venture at the Harvard town dump! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 4,996
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    ...

    Correct Professor! Just waiting for a nice of high efficiency speakers!
    ...

    D'oh!
    I guess perhaps I should do something about that... :p

    Uh, yeah! :smile: Ready to do a joint venture at the Harvard town dump! :smile:

    Hmm...I'm only 46minutes from the audio Mecca. 45 minutes if I drive on the sidewalks...
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  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 368
    2 Channel
    Pre:Bryston BP173
    Amp:Bryston 4B3
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Reference
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3, Bryston BCD-3, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Cables: Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 Speaker, Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 XLR, AQ Diamond USB/HDMI
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    Display: Sony XBR65-Z9F

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    Amp: Parasound A21, A31, A51
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 707 (FL/FR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), LSiM 703 (SL/SR), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 4
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Cables: AQ Rocket 88, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7
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  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    sgmsmg wrote: »

    Small world. This is the same guy who was selling the 120/50 Amp! He also has it listed on eBay.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,839
    Get those Phillips Holland tubes in there! I have so many different variants of these tubes. Those big O getter tubes are great tubes man! I have those in a 7025A and 12AU7A and are one of my favorite tubes. I always go back to them time and time again. Such a great balance of midrange warmth, smooth top end, excellent dynamics and deep tight bass. System depending, you will love them. Try some hamburgs if you can. I have some 1960 short plates in my phono stage with my Holland 7025A and the combo is sweeet!
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,839
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    Get those Phillips Holland tubes in there! I have so many different variants of these tubes. Those big O getter tubes are great tubes man! I have those in a 7025A and 12AU7A and are one of my favorite tubes. I always go back to them time and time again. Such a great balance of midrange warmth, smooth top end, excellent dynamics and deep tight bass. System depending, you will love them. Try some hamburgs if you can. I have some 1960 short plates in my phono stage with my Holland 7025A and the combo is sweeet!

    Holy crap. I’m losing it. Thought this was the vtl preamp thread! Ahhhhhh....
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    Get those Phillips Holland tubes in there! I have so many different variants of these tubes. Those big O getter tubes are great tubes man! I have those in a 7025A and 12AU7A and are one of my favorite tubes. I always go back to them time and time again. Such a great balance of midrange warmth, smooth top end, excellent dynamics and deep tight bass. System depending, you will love them. Try some hamburgs if you can. I have some 1960 short plates in my phono stage with my Holland 7025A and the combo is sweeet!

    Holy crap. I’m losing it. Thought this was the vtl preamp thread! Ahhhhhh....

    Hehe. No worries my man. I was scratching my head! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,288
    verb wrote: »
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    Get those Phillips Holland tubes in there! I have so many different variants of these tubes. Those big O getter tubes are great tubes man! I have those in a 7025A and 12AU7A and are one of my favorite tubes. I always go back to them time and time again. Such a great balance of midrange warmth, smooth top end, excellent dynamics and deep tight bass. System depending, you will love them. Try some hamburgs if you can. I have some 1960 short plates in my phono stage with my Holland 7025A and the combo is sweeet!

    Holy crap. I’m losing it. Thought this was the vtl preamp thread! Ahhhhhh....

    Hehe. No worries my man. I was scratching my head! :smile:

    He's Canerdian. They're a bit off come this time of year.
  • GOLDEN-EARSGOLDEN-EARS Posts: 12
    edited November 2018
    I have had a lot of VTL amps over the years. From ST80 to MB450, they are all great tube amps. In over 30 years of owning most tube amps VTL remains some of the very best. It's current and amps that really drive the speaker and damping factor that controls the speakers. In Tetrode they will drive your speakers nicely. Those amps are Tetrode and Triode. Don't let people who never owned or listened to those amps turn you off. Now I just listen to my MC-2000.

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  • verbverb Posts: 6,103
    ^^^^^Awesome!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 su, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
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