Review of Polk Signature Series S60 Speakers

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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,057
    Good morning Dan.

    What Polk gives you are guidelines to use.

    All of my speakers are powered by a 405wpc Sunfire amp. That doesn't mean that the amp is putting out all of those watts all the time. But the power is available to be used by the speakers during intense movie/music sections when a receiver would simply over strain itself trying to give the speakers what they need.

    The speakers will only take what they need, but the power has to be there for them to take it. Hence that's why I generally recommend 200wpc minimum because I'd rather have it and not need it than the other way around.

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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 2,901
    Current is more important, look for at least 60a, which usually will equate to no less than 200w. Of course this will vary between manufactures. The S60 are easy to drive, but a HC amp does makes a noticeable difference in sound.

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  • halohalo Posts: 4,477
    danzilla31 wrote: »
    Also any feedback from owners of the S60's on the question I just asked would be really appreciated

    Hi Dan,

    So, I'm running the Signature S60 speakers with a McCormack DNA-125 2-Channel/Stereo power amplifier.

    Here are the specs from the manufacturer:

    Specifications:

    Power: 125 watts per channel at less than 1.0% THD or IMD, both channels driven into 8 ohms from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. 200 watts per channel into 4 ohms.
    Input Impedance: 100 kOhms
    Input Sensitivity: 1 volt rms
    Hum and Noise: better than 98 dB below rated power
    Dimensions: 5.125" H x 16" D x 19" W
    Weight: 37 lbs.

    As the reviewer in this article mentions, the amp seems to be putting out more power than the specs suggest. @tonyb can attest that the McCormack amps are pretty solid.

    I would also say that how much power you "need" depends entirely on how you use the speakers and the related electronics. As @cfrizz points out, the amp she is using has ample power in reserve to handle BRIEF transient peaks. You'd be surprised at how well "low powered" amps can drive speakers during "typical" use.

    @DSkip & @Clipdat have the Dayens amplifiers and the Dayens' peak wattage numbers don't seem impressive but the sound quality is superb and the watts per channel are more than adequate. Many "flea watt" amps provide enough juice for speakers as long as you aren't trying to drive very inefficient speakers to ridiculously high dB levels.

    That said, I maintain that a dedicated amplifier or two dedicated mono block amplifiers will almost always outperform an audio video receiver or even a stereo receiver.

    Good luck with your search for a dedicated amp to drive the Signature S60 speakers.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,581
    It's all about the $$$ when it comes to AV gear. Yes you can find good used equipment at times.

    If you got the money Parasound is one way to go. Every time I hear a system setup with one of their amps it's a joy. I you don't have the coin the Emotive is not a bad choice.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

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  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    Ok its all set up cables and everything are all cleaned up. It looks slick a little worried about burying that center tower but so far no issues with it affecting the sound that I can tell. Yet. I had no other options for placementuixnk9wtp1ud.jpg
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    . It does look slick tho cant wait for the day I slap a bigger TV or projector up theyre. Tired tho but it was worth it now on to Subwoofers! Lol
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,122
    It definitely doesnt look out of place and that's big for a floor standing center. One suggestion I would make is to square up that rug. If you do that it should help your right channel sound quality substantially.
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  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    DSkip wrote: »
    It definitely doesnt look out of place and that's big for a floor standing center. One suggestion I would make is to square up that rug. If you do that it should help your right channel sound quality substantially.
    Thanks skip yeah I definitely need to start fixing up acoustical room treatments and that rug is next to do just gotta do some moving stuff around on furniture to do that and some other room treatments as well. Hope you've been well thanks for all the good advice!

  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Good morning Dan.

    What Polk gives you are guidelines to use.

    All of my speakers are powered by a 405wpc Sunfire amp. That doesn't mean that the amp is putting out all of those watts all the time. But the power is available to be used by the speakers during intense movie/music sections when a receiver would simply over strain itself trying to give the speakers what they need.

    The speakers will only take what they need, but the power has to be there for them to take it. Hence that's why I generally recommend 200wpc minimum because I'd rather have it and not need it than the other way around.

    Hey thanks for the advice cfrizz really appreciate it
  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    mrloren wrote: »
    It's all about the $$$ when it comes to AV gear. Yes you can find good used equipment at times.

    If you got the money Parasound is one way to go. Every time I hear a system setup with one of their amps it's a joy. I you don't have the coin the Emotive is not a bad choice.

    Yeah man Parasound keeps getting brought up since subs and a better reciever are next I gotta plenty of time to set back the coin for those. And I really like the Emotiva 11 channel configurable for 2k? Since I like home theater a little more then music that one is right up they're too. That's all your setup for a future surround upgrade for that amount? like you said a great starting off one for sure. Thanks for all the input also a shout out to you Halo thanks for all the good advice
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,618
    That's 200wpc cfrizz.
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,057
    edited March 6
    Clipdat wrote: »

    Yup, that's it!!!! :D It's been rocking my system for over 10 years!

    That's a cool article, thanks for posting it.
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,950
    Yeah. So it's 405wpc. Not sure why Jesse said 200wpc.
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Yup, that's it!!!! :D It's been rocking my system for over 10 years!

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,618
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Yeah. So it's 405wpc. Not sure why Jesse said 200wpc.
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Yup, that's it!!!! :D It's been rocking my system for over 10 years!

    'Cause she's known as 200wpc cfrizz 'round here.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,950
    Hah, I get it now.
    F1nut wrote: »
    'Cause she's known as 200wpc cfrizz 'round here.

  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,057
    edited March 6
    You see ever since I got a Parasound 1500A 205wpc amp, it was my first real amp that I got to drive LSI's that I was thinking of getting. Once I heard how great they made my RTA-8Ts sound I forgot all about the LSIs.

    Since that time all the way back in 2004, I have consistently recommended that if you are going to get an amp, get one with at least 200wpc. This seems to be where everyone is able to hear a clear and distinct improvement to their speakers.

    When I first came on this board, the guys were all experimenting with different power amps. They'd start out with 75wpc, then go up to 125wpc etc. I bypassed all the experimenting and went straight to the Parasound, and stayed there until I got my Sunfire. In the meantime, someone discovered tubes and talked half the club into jumping on the band wagon. Then there were massive debates between tube power vs SS power and how tubes were better and on and on, then someone discovered vinyl.... :o

    The bottom line is some of the guys are into experimenting with every piece of gear they can get their hands on if their wallets allow, and that's fine. But I don't believe everyone that comes on here new necessarily feels the same way

    The advice I give is because I want everyone to have a system that operates to its full potential right from the get go. I believe in doing it once, doing it right, then sitting back and enjoying what you have put together. If you want to experiment, there are plenty on here that will help you do so. We love spending other peoples money! :D

    My philosophy about audio and Jesse and company philosophy sometimes tends to clash. My advice has remained consistent from 2004. Will your system operate with less power, of course it will. It simply depends on what you want to accomplish, how much money you want to spend, and whether or not you are in this hobby to go through gear experimenting or simply want to sit back and enjoy.

    About the only thing Jesse and I agree on is that we both dislike B&W speakers!

    There is plenty of room for both philosophies on here.
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    cfrizz wrote: »
    You see ever since I got a Parasound 1500A 205wpc amp, it was my first real amp that I got to drive LSI's that I was thinking of getting. Once I heard how great they made my RTA-8Ts sound I forgot all about the LSIs.

    Since that time all the way back in 2004, I have consistently recommended that if you are going to get an amp, get one with at least 200wpc. This seems to be where everyone is able to hear a clear and distinct improvement to their speakers.

    When I first came on this board, the guys were all experimenting with different power amps. They'd start out with 75wpc, then go up to 125wpc etc. I bypassed all the experimenting and went straight to the Parasound, and stayed there until I got my Sunfire. In the meantime, someone discovered tubes and talked half the club into jumping on the band wagon. Then there were massive debates between tube power vs SS power and how tubes were better and on and on, then someone discovered vinyl.... :o

    The bottom line is some of the guys are into experimenting with every piece of gear they can get their hands on if their wallets allow, and that's fine. But I don't believe everyone that comes on here new necessarily feels the same way

    The advice I give is because I want everyone to have a system that operates to its full potential right from the get go. I believe in doing it once, doing it right, then sitting back and enjoying what you have put together. If you want to experiment, there are plenty on here that will help you do so. We love spending other peoples money! :D

    My philosophy about audio and Jesse and company philosophy sometimes tends to clash. My advice has remained consistent from 2004. Will your system operate with less power, of course it will. It simply depends on what you want to accomplish, how much money you want to spend, and whether or not you are in this hobby to go through gear experimenting or simply want to sit back and enjoy.

    About the only thing Jesse and I agree on is that we both dislike B&W speakers!

    There is plenty of room for both philosophies on here.

    Actually that's something that you me and Jesse can all agree on I've never been crazy about the B&W speakers either just cannot get into there sound. So get everything all out from the get go huh? I like the way you think cfrizz Scotty we need more power to the warp drive!!! I'm giving her all she's got Captain!!!! Lol
  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »

    Yup, that's it!!!! :D It's been rocking my system for over 10 years!

    That's a cool article, thanks for posting it.

    Woooow cfrizz just read that article about your amp congratulations. I can't even imagine how sweet that sounds
  • halohalo Posts: 4,477
    Not all amps sound the same (to me anyway & I've owned quite a few). There is merit in tube amps if that's the sound you're after and it's usually different from what a solid state amp will give you.

    Which sound signature you prefer @danzilla31 only you can say and you can only say that after you've heard more than one amp from more than one manufacturer. Parasound has a different sound than B&K and Rotel is different from both of those (to my ears). I'm not going to say that one is better than the other, just that they're different. If they all sounded the same, why would anyone bother buying something from brand C or brand D, when brand A will get you there for le$$?

    Another way to get you the "tube" sound is to have a tube preamp in the chain ahead of your power amp. Some on the forum believe the brand and type of cables you have can improve, alter, or detract from your systems capabilities (I'm not saying that I believe they do or don't because that usually sparks a debate - you can try different cables and determine that for yourself :smile: ). Your listening environment will play the largest part in the sound your setup can/will provide. Room treatments, measurements, DSP, etc will have a significant impact on the sound your hear.

    There is a lot of gear out there. Part of the fun in this hobby is to discover, for yourself, what sound you prefer. What kind of gear is going to make you want to listen to your system? What kind of gear is going to allow you to enjoy your setup?

    Yes, lol, we like to help people spend money. But, we also love to get people to their audio nirvana too!

    Cheers!
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,950
    While I appreciate your intentions and genuine interest in helping people achieve audio bliss, I do question a few of your points/methods.

    Granted, it does matter if someone is interested in primarily HT vs. 2 channel music, as well as their room size, but I think it's tricky to automatically say that "more watts=better." It's too easy for someone who's new to high end audio reproduction to see posts about 125-200watts being a "sweet spot", and then put way too much emphasis on wattage being the most important factor when choosing an amplifier.

    I know this, because I myself was influenced this way when I was getting back on the forum in October and November of last year. I wanted to upgrade the fidelity and resolution of my stereo system, and I was researching a TON of posts and would come across posts from you and others praising higher wattage amps as being the ideal goal.

    I was using a 40wpc integrated, so I kept thinking "Well that won't do! Only 40!" and in retrospect now I'm realizing that overall wpc has very little to do with the sound that you're going to get from a speaker and amplifier combination.

    I bought and returned (primarily because of transformer buzzing issues) a 125wpc McCormack, but before I did, I auditioned it and I did not find it's sound signature to be any better or different than my current 40wpc amp. By the more watts=better approach, I should've loved the McCormack.

    I then went to a 50wpc setup and I was noticing a positive difference vs the 40wpc. Clearly it's not the 10 additional watts that caused this, but the design and implementation of the components inside the amplifier, as well as overall system synergy.

    So, I was able to get to what I'm perceiving as "audio bliss" by only making a slight increase in wpc, but a dramatic difference in amplifier design. So I just want people who are new and reading this to realize that wattage can end up meaning very little, and that you may have to try a few different pieces before you decide what sounds best to your ears.
    cfrizz wrote: »
    The advice I give is because I want everyone to have a system that operates to its full potential right from the get go. I believe in doing it once, doing it right, then sitting back and enjoying what you have put together. If you want to experiment, there are plenty on here that will help you do so. We love spending other peoples money! :D

    My philosophy about audio and Jesse and company philosophy sometimes tends to clash. My advice has remained consistent from 2004. Will your system operate with less power, of course it will. It simply depends on what you want to accomplish, how much money you want to spend, and whether or not you are in this hobby to go through gear experimenting or simply want to sit back and enjoy.

  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,581
    I like my little Emotiva amp. Only other amps I've spent time with are friend had an XPA5 which was nice, tried to sell it to me but I didn't have the coin. Now he has an A51 that sounds good even on the "K" horn speakers he has it hooked too.

    I was over at his house the other day and I still can't tell that much of a difference from the old XPA to the A51, then again he does have it driving horn speakers (sinner). I keep trying for him to loan it to me when he goes out of town, I guess he is scared I will go Deebo on him. "It's mine"

    I did a lot of upgrades last year to my HT system. My next big drop will be a big amp, who knows when that will be.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,618
    I believe in doing it once, doing it right,

    But, you haven't done it just once.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,161
    mrloren wrote: »
    I like my little Emotiva amp. Only other amps I've spent time with are friend had an XPA5 which was nice, tried to sell it to me but I didn't have the coin. Now he has an A51 that sounds good even on the "K" horn speakers he has it hooked too.

    I was over at his house the other day and I still can't tell that much of a difference from the old XPA to the A51, then again he does have it driving horn speakers (sinner). I keep trying for him to loan it to me when he goes out of town, I guess he is scared I will go Deebo on him. "It's mine"

    I did a lot of upgrades last year to my HT system. My next big drop will be a big amp, who knows when that will be.

    The reason why you can't hear much of a difference between the XPA/A51, is the horns are probably very efficient. Big SS amps need to be put under a load to sound their best, which horns really don't do. Some tubes would make those horns sound pretty darn good imho. Think about it, for your next step.
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  • danzilla31danzilla31 Posts: 94
    halo wrote: »
    Not all amps sound the same (to me anyway & I've owned quite a few). There is merit in tube amps if that's the sound you're after and it's usually different from what a solid state amp will give you.

    Which sound signature you prefer @danzilla31 only you can say and you can only say that after you've heard more than one amp from more than one manufacturer. Parasound has a different sound than B&K and Rotel is different from both of those (to my ears). I'm not going to say that one is better than the other, just that they're different. If they all sounded the same, why would anyone bother buying something from brand C or brand D, when brand A will get you there for le$$?

    Another way to get you the "tube" sound is to have a tube preamp in the chain ahead of your power amp. Some on the forum believe the brand and type of cables you have can improve, alter, or detract from your systems capabilities (I'm not saying that I believe they do or don't because that usually sparks a debate - you can try different cables and determine that for yourself :smile: ). Your listening environment will play the largest part in the sound your setup can/will provide. Room treatments, measurements, DSP, etc will have a significant impact on the sound your hear.

    There is a lot of gear out there. Part of the fun in this hobby is to discover, for yourself, what sound you prefer. What kind of gear is going to make you want to listen to your system? What kind of gear is going to allow you to enjoy your setup?

    Yes, lol, we like to help people spend money. But, we also love to get people to their audio nirvana too!

    Cheers!

    I gotta agree with you man Ive had a lotta fun just trying stuff out so I'm looking forward to when I get amps experimenting with things until I find what fits for me. Hah! I bet my first pair of amps will definitely not be my last! Lol
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