MP3 is dead!

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    F1nut wrote: »
    Why am I not surprised by who here is defending the MP3 format.

    And they rely on the same tired cliches used as 'data' to make their non-existent point.
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  • lightman1
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    " XT32 is considered one of the better room correction systems. But what it set my speaker levels to sounded off to @lightman1 and I. "

    And I was half loaded at the time as well.
    Booze enhancement feature......not a stock option on AVRs.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,913
    nbrowser wrote: »
    lightman1 wrote: »
    " XT32 is considered one of the better room correction systems. But what it set my speaker levels to sounded off to @lightman1 and I. "

    And I was half loaded at the time as well.
    Booze enhancement feature......not a stock option on AVRs.

    Booze Enhancement can make anything sound good, even Jesse's Hello Kitty Boombox.

    The higher resolution of analog simply cannot be overstated.

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    I could argue all day that a $49 set of bias ply tire would be perfectly acceptable on my 2017 Corvette, and get me where I need to go. If that's the level we're playing at, then MP3 away...
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    I don't know, with hard drive realestate so cheap. That's MY point.
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    I don't why this is a debate about MP3's sounding the same as FLAC or WAV. That's not what the thread was about. I guess some people just like to debate, even if they are wrong.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I don't know, with hard drive realestate so cheap. That's MY point.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Tonyb wrote:

    "Now, why would you buy a cd and download it to a lessor quality format ? Even entry level receivers can do PCM and higher bit rate files."

    The "auto-rip" feature at Amazon comes with the CD purchase. There still are people that are not savvy enough with computers to rip their files to mp3 or other digital formats. People also own mp3 players that may play that format and maybe WMA but not other formats. Or, the player has limited memory. My first Zen Nano player held one gig -about 11 hours of mp3 at 192 kps. My second player had 16 gigs. That is a ton of Mp3 but not a ton of CDs.

    I did not buy CDs from CD Universe, on many of the CDs, they offer the option of buying the CD and then wait for it to arrive in the mail or buying a 320Kps Mp3 version of that CD. Often the Mp3 version costs significantly less. I bought several Multi-CD Mp3 classical downloads for $9.99 and each of these was at least $50 each.




    I can understand portable devices like your nano player, but being savvy enough with computers ? It's a couple clicks of the mouse in ITunes, and every computer comes with ITunes these days I would imagine. Matter of fact, it's probably easier to download a cd into ITunes in lossless than it is transferring MP3 files to a portable player.

    Point was, buying the cd, you can always convert that file to MP3, but buying an MP3, you can't convert it to cd quality. Your choice of buying the MP3 version, as you said, was cost initiated, not because one format sounded better than the other.

    Not to offend anyone, But I've had a long standing theory about opinions on anything audio related being tied to ones wallet. If they can't afford something, it becomes invalidated, can't hear a difference to warrant the money spent, or another opinion to justify what they hear or don't hear. I'll never afford Magico speakers, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them for what they are.

    Audio is about the appreciation of music reproduction, not validating the level of it your at.....or condemning the levels higher than where your at as being insignificant. Sure, MP3's still has a place, but that place isn't for serious listening on your main stereo rig.

    What I wrote about "being savvy" with computers is 100% right. You may take for granted using computers, installing software, learning new software, downloading and installing updates. In the real world this is not a given. For example, one of my lady friends that gives me rides (I'm disabled) is in her early 80s. She is not afraid of computers, but if anything goes wrong (as it seems to do every other month) she is either on the phone to her son in WI or takes her laptop, printer, etc. to the "Geek Squad" for help. She is not alone in my circle of friends. As long as what she does is "plug and play" and simply involves turning on the device and hitting enter, she is good to go. Much beyond that, she is in the dark.

    I have never met anyone that was averse to higher quality audio simply because it is beyond their budget. I heard a complete McIntosh system that cost more than a luxury car and smoked my mid-fi stereo. I was not denial, nor envious. Instead, I enjoyed hearing it and getting a much better idea of how hi up is. The same is true with other high end things like cars. I can enjoy my friend's 55 Pontiac that is restored to beyond cherry. It would be forever and a day for me to learn how to do what he did. Life is filled with stuff that I cannot afford or things I cannot do. But that does not stop me from being a fan and enjoying the game on TV.

    But many people at this forum are averse to scientific inquiry and double blind testing. With different types of audio files, I will continue to read the studies and test for myself. I'm even going to try SACD after I buy a blu-ray player that will play those discs. If they sound better, that is great.

    Uh, you did....when you said you bought the MP3's because they were cheaper than buying the cd's. That right there said cost dictated your decision. Now, cost certainly plays in to all audio purchases, regardless, because none of us have an endless wallet, but if you can't afford a cd, this may not be the hobby for you. ;)

    None of us are objecting to scientific inquiry, all of us use it as a tool though, not the be all end all. There's a difference between letting science dictate your opinions about audio, and experience with your own ears. I am glad however to see you are at least interested in trying things for yourself. That's probably the one thing we push most around here. Though I question your choice of format in SACD, which those are more expensive than cd's, which you seem to think are too costly. Heck, I'd be happy to see you use all lossless files in cd quality. :)
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I don't know, with hard drive realestate so cheap. That's MY point.

    Bingo Steve, to me buying an MP3 is like buying a third of the music, because a good 2 thirds is missing in bits. I can understand people using them for casual listening or background music......but why pay good coin for it. Buy the cd quality and create another lessor bit rate file. That way you have both, to cover all your bases and devices.
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  • tophatjohnny
    tophatjohnny Posts: 4,186
    edited May 2017
    Meanwhile, back at the Tophat ranch.......
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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