Anyone use different output levels for different sources?

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
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    F1nut wrote: »
    He's talking about setting different speaker levels in his AVR for each source. For example, he might set one source to play back at +5dB and another to play back at -2dB. However, that is completely unnecessary because one can simply adjust the volume using the volume control and obtain the same result. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, maximum fidelity.

    I don't understand the concept. But I know I have a better understanding than you in these matters.
  • mrloren
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    OKAY, so today is my kids 23rd birthday. I asked her if she wanted 23 beers or 23 shots. She said neither. Now this thread makes me think maybe I should have had 23 shots and the beers.

    Seriously, every source unit will be different on it's output level. I can put a BluRay in a player and play it nice and loud at volume level of about -18db. Same player I can put in a DVD and for the same great room filling sound I might have to have the volume @ -12db.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
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  • BlueFox
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    F1nut wrote: »
    He's talking about setting different speaker levels in his AVR for each source. For example, he might set one source to play back at +5dB and another to play back at -2dB. However, that is completely unnecessary because one can simply adjust the volume using the volume control and obtain the same result. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, maximum fidelity.


    Exactly. Of course, that is just the base. Then it still will be adjusted up or down, depending on the setting.
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  • lightman1
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    ^^^^^ Sweet Petunia Jane! A voice of reason has graced us. Hallapenia!
  • F1nut
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    I need a smoke.
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  • Nightfall
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    F1nut wrote: »
    He's talking about setting different speaker levels in his AVR for each source. For example, he might set one source to play back at +5dB and another to play back at -2dB. However, that is completely unnecessary because one can simply adjust the volume using the volume control and obtain the same result. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, maximum fidelity.

    No, it does not achieve the same result. Not in my system.

    Okay, now it seems like you're just trolling us. Maximum fidelity?

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    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • mrloren
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    F1nut wrote: »
    I need a smoke.

    I need a beer.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
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  • lightman1
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    I'm just this side of shitefaced and want a cigarette. You all suck donkeybalz.
  • nooshinjohn
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    Popcorn anyone?
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  • F1nut
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    lightman1 wrote: »
    I'm just this side of shitefaced and want a cigarette. You all suck donkeybalz.

    Sorry man, you know I was joking. Do not smoke that nasty killer.
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  • lightman1
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  • mikeyb128
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    Wow! This thread is great! I'm sitting here in bed crying laughing, drinking a glass of wine, turning up the tv so I can try to understand what the f/ck this thread is even about.

    I think we just found the new village idiot.
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  • lightman1
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    I resent your statement. I have been the village idiot for nigh on a decade.
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    I think we just found the new village idiot.

  • nooshinjohn
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    lightman1 wrote: »
    I resent your statement. I have been the village idiot for nigh on a decade.
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    I think we just found the new village idiot.
    More like the fool on the hill. The Beatles did a song all about you.
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  • F1nut
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    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!
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  • nooshinjohn
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    F1nut wrote: »
    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!

    Judging by your avatar.... :DB)

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  • lightman1
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    F1nut wrote: »
    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!

    Judging by your avatar.... :DB)

    He makes a valid point in that observation.
  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
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    Wait, you mean if I want to hear quieter sources, I should increase the volume? Why hasn't anyone mentioned this before?? :D
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,795
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    F1nut wrote: »
    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!

    Judging by your avatar.... :DB)

    Yeah, I fool everyone dressed like that. It's a great way to keep people from bothering me.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • Nightfall
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    F1nut wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!

    Judging by your avatar.... :DB)

    Yeah, I fool everyone dressed like that. It's a great way to keep people from bothering me.

    Quit showering too and they'll not only not bother you, they'll give you physical space.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • F1nut
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    Nightfall wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    I didn't think you were talking about cigarettes.


    You wouldn't want me to end up like hillbilly, would you!?!

    Judging by your avatar.... :DB)

    Yeah, I fool everyone dressed like that. It's a great way to keep people from bothering me.

    Quit showering too and they'll not only not bother you, they'll give you physical space.

    The voice of experience?
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  • Nightfall
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    Mr. Swauger is up pretty late. I'm picturing him in a green hat pounding back shots. Who knew?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • lightman1
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    Rick88 wrote: »
    Hey hillbilly, you forgot to mention the most important thing: What cables are you using?

    Stop right there, Rick. Verboten!
  • rburgess714
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    lightman1 wrote: »
    Yo! J! Just set the kinibbler pin output to 38% from the Schwartz transport to the fan motor. Prollem solved

    Why 38 and not 41..and where is my fan motor :):D
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  • lightman1
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    lightman1 wrote: »
    Yo! J! Just set the kinibbler pin output to 38% from the Schwartz transport to the fan motor. Prollem solved

    Why 38 and not 41..and where is my fan motor :):D

    Just to the right of the keigle drive.
    38 is a good balance. We, as an all so knowing clique, should never do 41.
  • nooshinjohn
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    lightman1 wrote: »
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Yo! J! Just set the kinibbler pin output to 38% from the Schwartz transport to the fan motor. Prollem solved

    Why 38 and not 41..and where is my fan motor :):D

    Just to the right of the keigle drive.
    38 is a good balance. We, as an all so knowing clique, should never do 41.

    Doesn't all this depend on if I am using 22ga lamp cord or coat hangers for spearker wire?
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  • F1nut
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    I concur.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • gudnoyez
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    Schucks round dese here parts I just use that big round thingy that you turn left and right if I turn it more to the right ol Daisy Mae gets up and shakes her thing, me an Pa always turn that thingy to the right and watch her dance, granny always yells turn that thingy back to the left and quit a googlin dem eyes at ol Daisy Mae. I hope this splanation solves dat der problem of all dis here talk.
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  • jeremymarcinko
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    The take away here is that setting the output levels for each source is achieving the same thing as adjusting the volume. When the output levels are increased the maximum volume "number" is decreased which allows for relatively equal output across sources. Turning off audysee only turns off the eq, the levels remain. None of this has anything to do with fidelity. Fidelity being the faithful reproduction of the original source.

    With that said playing YouTube from your smart tv is a very poor source for sq as it is very lossy. Playing louder or turning off the eq, likely in your case, increases the top end slightly which can make the bad source sound a little better although the fidelity hasn't changed. Output level aside better sources such as a quality CD player or DAC with a lossless streaming device will have better fidelity and will sound better at lower levels.

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  • befuddle
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    Well now ain't this been a interesting thread!
    Anyhow just for the sake of sharing my special state of stupidity.I think that he may be confusing what that option in the receiver does,If I understood it right it is intended to set a volume level and if wanted a set tone control for each source This allows a set volume and tone setting when switching between sources.IE-going from a dvd to tv may have a wide variance in levels. Setting the volume lower for a one source eliminates the need for due diligence to the volume level when switching.[especially useful when both sources are in operation] Same can be said for setting the tone control ie-one might like the settings flat while listing to CD but may like some boost when listing to radio[setting a tone control for each eliminates the need for adjustment]
    However this option does not and will not effect the amps fidelity abilities and is only included as a convince option!...But thats just my common sense approach to its intent,if indeed that is what the op was attempting to relate on the subject