Anyone use different output levels for different sources?

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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,454
    For me it depends on what I am doing.

    Volume average,
    BluRay -20db to -15db
    DVD -17db to -12db
    Music is Audyssey off and let it rip.

    As you can see it's a different volume level for different sources. A lot has to do with the audio format of the material. BluRay tend to play louder than DVD's.

    When I setup my receiver I had to dig through my notes to find my Onkyo's setup settings. My Marantz set everything way low. I did have to go into manual speaker level and move up the front and center by 3db, rears by 4db and front high by 5db to get them to where the Onkyo set them at. now all is perfect.

    I did find a problem with my sub. I run it with 2 ports open. Audyssey kept setting the sub @ -12db. HSU said to plug a port and flip the switch to 1 port open, I ran Audyssey again and it set it at 0db. perfect. un plug it flip the switch back to to ports open and add 5db to it...

    Now with my new S60 I might have to pull the Onkyo out of the bedroom and hook it up downstairs again just to run Audyssey for proper settings.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
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  • F1nut wrote: »
    You have to change the volume level when you change the source.

    What are you talking about? Try to stay on the subject.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,711
    F1nut wrote: »
    Like talking to a brick wall.......VOLUME CONTROL is the answer.

    Your so bent on trying to be right, you don't understand the what this is all about--HAHAHAHAHA

    Everyone is telling you the same thing I am and you're not listening. So, who doesn't understand?
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    Hillbilly...have a looksee at @mrloren post. I said the same thing but he made it clear and concise.
    The answer to your question has been given three times.
  • mrloren wrote: »
    For me it depends on what I am doing.

    Volume average,
    BluRay -20db to -15db
    DVD -17db to -12db
    Music is Audyssey off and let it rip.

    As you can see it's a different volume level for different sources. A lot has to do with the audio format of the material. BluRay tend to play louder than DVD's.

    When I setup my receiver I had to dig through my notes to find my Onkyo's setup settings. My Marantz set everything way low. I did have to go into manual speaker level and move up the front and center by 3db, rears by 4db and front high by 5db to get them to where the Onkyo set them at. now all is perfect.

    I did find a problem with my sub. I run it with 2 ports open. Audyssey kept setting the sub @ -12db. HSU said to plug a port and flip the switch to 1 port open, I ran Audyssey again and it set it at 0db. perfect. un plug it flip the switch back to to ports open and add 5db to it...

    Now with my new S60 I might have to pull the Onkyo out of the bedroom and hook it up downstairs again just to run Audyssey for proper settings.

    When I play audio through the Smart TV using the optical cable, to get the right fidelity to the speakers before I amplify I have the levels to the mains set at +7.5. Any lower than that and the music is muffled and not right.
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  • F1nut wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Like talking to a brick wall.......VOLUME CONTROL is the answer.

    Your so bent on trying to be right, you don't understand the what this is all about--HAHAHAHAHA

    Everyone is telling you the same thing I am and you're not listening. So, who doesn't understand?

    YOU
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    mrloren wrote: »
    For me it depends on what I am doing.

    Volume average,
    BluRay -20db to -15db
    DVD -17db to -12db
    Music is Audyssey off and let it rip.

    As you can see it's a different volume level for different sources. A lot has to do with the audio format of the material. BluRay tend to play louder than DVD's.

    When I setup my receiver I had to dig through my notes to find my Onkyo's setup settings. My Marantz set everything way low. I did have to go into manual speaker level and move up the front and center by 3db, rears by 4db and front high by 5db to get them to where the Onkyo set them at. now all is perfect.

    I did find a problem with my sub. I run it with 2 ports open. Audyssey kept setting the sub @ -12db. HSU said to plug a port and flip the switch to 1 port open, I ran Audyssey again and it set it at 0db. perfect. un plug it flip the switch back to to ports open and add 5db to it...

    Now with my new S60 I might have to pull the Onkyo out of the bedroom and hook it up downstairs again just to run Audyssey for proper settings.

    When I play audio through the Smart TV using the optical cable, to get the right fidelity to the speakers before I amplify I have the levels to the mains set at +7.5. Any lower than that and the music is muffled and not right.

    Well, that certainly helps to explain the original post.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,711
    Right, good luck. You're as thick as they come.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    F1nut wrote: »
    Like talking to a brick wall.......VOLUME CONTROL is the answer.

    Your so bent on trying to be right, you don't understand the what this is all about--HAHAHAHAHA

    That is, in a nutshell, the same thing I was helping you with. Bluefox as well.
  • BlueFox wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    For me it depends on what I am doing.

    Volume average,
    BluRay -20db to -15db
    DVD -17db to -12db
    Music is Audyssey off and let it rip.

    As you can see it's a different volume level for different sources. A lot has to do with the audio format of the material. BluRay tend to play louder than DVD's.

    When I setup my receiver I had to dig through my notes to find my Onkyo's setup settings. My Marantz set everything way low. I did have to go into manual speaker level and move up the front and center by 3db, rears by 4db and front high by 5db to get them to where the Onkyo set them at. now all is perfect.

    I did find a problem with my sub. I run it with 2 ports open. Audyssey kept setting the sub @ -12db. HSU said to plug a port and flip the switch to 1 port open, I ran Audyssey again and it set it at 0db. perfect. un plug it flip the switch back to to ports open and add 5db to it...

    Now with my new S60 I might have to pull the Onkyo out of the bedroom and hook it up downstairs again just to run Audyssey for proper settings.

    When I play audio through the Smart TV using the optical cable, to get the right fidelity to the speakers before I amplify I have the levels to the mains set at +7.5. Any lower than that and the music is muffled and not right.

    Well, that certainly helps to explain the original post.

    Yes, different sources, depending on your playback, can be affected by AVR levels before playback. I was wondering who uses this concept to maximize fidelity.
    That being said, Playing back through the Sony requires different main setting, just through the main menu for speaker levels for maximum fidelity. I hope this is more clear now, this applies more to people who do not use room correction for music playback.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    I don't use room correction through an AVR. The only DSP I have is with the open baffle Emerald Physics speakers I have.
  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    My turntable has a lower output voltage than the Oppo I'm using. How do I compensate? I turn the volume up higher. If that's not the answer than I have no idea what you're talking about. This thread is making my head spin.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • Using this and understanding how this works, enables anyone who is trying to get the most from their system--achieve their goal without a lot of tone clutter in the signal path.
    Getting the concept right and paying attention to what you're doing, thinking it through--will make for a better sound.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    What in the world are you on about?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • You might not have to do any level compensation for your turntable.
    I never said you did. Your set up is different than mine. Not everyone has the expensive equipment you have.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    I have a shartload of passive pre-amps that have tone controls. That doesn't mean I have to use them.
  • I don't use tone controls either but if my levels were not set correctly from the get-go--then I might be temped to use them.
    And I'm not talking about the volume control.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    So this phenomenon is only with entry level electronics? My setup is okay but in the grand scheme of things it's entry level. Can you link to any webpages or forum threads that discuss this because I think you're just confusing everyone. Different output levels for different sources... most sources don't have adjustable output levels. I once had a Yamaha CD player back in the day that had an adjustable output level. Actually Oppo has a volume control too but I never use it, I stick with a fixed output level.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • Gee, I didn't know this would be so tough to understand---NEVERMIND---HAHAHAHA
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    edited March 2017
    Yes, different sources, depending on your playback, can be affected by AVR levels before playback. I was wondering who uses this concept to maximize fidelity.
    That being said, Playing back through the Sony requires different main setting, just through the main menu for speaker levels for maximum fidelity. I hope this is more clear now, this applies more to people who do not use room correction for music playback.

    This is legitimately funny. I don't even know if you know what you mean. :D

    So if I adjust the output level of different sources before they're affected by AVR levels after playback when not using YPAO with the main setting through the main setting I can get MAXIMUM FIDELITY? Sign me up!
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Run Forrest run!
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  • I know what I mean because my playback is correct.
    The proof is in the music playback.
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  • Am I drunk again?
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    I just fired up my rig and I'm only getting 75% of the maximum fidelity. Shoot. Can you tell me how to adjust my playback main setting output before the AVR levels affect everything? I'd like to be closer to the maximum fidelity.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,711
    He's talking about setting different speaker levels in his AVR for each source. For example, he might set one source to play back at +5dB and another to play back at -2dB. However, that is completely unnecessary because one can simply adjust the volume using the volume control and obtain the same result. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, maximum fidelity.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    Yo! J! Just set the kinibbler pin output to 38% from the Schwartz transport to the fan motor. Prollem solved
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Have you thought of using Atmos speakers on your ceiling fan? I bet it will make those helicopters sound like the are flying right over your trailer park!
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,042
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Yo! J! Just set the kinibbler pin output to 38% from the Schwartz transport to the fan motor. Prollem solved

    I'm frikkin' tearing up over here.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • F1nut wrote: »
    He's talking about setting different speaker levels in his AVR for each source. For example, he might set one source to play back at +5dB and another to play back at -2dB. However, that is completely unnecessary because one can simply adjust the volume using the volume control and obtain the same result. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, maximum fidelity.

    No, it does not achieve the same result. Not in my system.
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