Budget Spikes. Spike your SDAs for under $3!

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lawdogg
lawdogg Posts: 470
edited May 2016 in Vintage Speakers
Have your SDAs on carpet? Let's think about speaker spikes. What do you need in a speaker spike? On the speaker end, you need it to thread into the anchors, and on the ground end, you need it to be pointy so it can anchor the speaker to the floor.

Do you really need to spend more than $3 on such things? I don't think so. If you agree, come with me to the hardware store and lets find something with 1/4-20 thread and pointy on the other end. Here they are, ~2" long hanger bolts! (Mine came from Ace Hardware, stainless, 33 cents each.)

Thread em in by hand, be careful not to cross-thread, and use some pliers if they give you trouble. Then stand the speaker up and play with threads on each corner until the speaker is level. Ta-da! You now have spiked speakers for less than $3.

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Might not look as neat as those fancy gold spikes but they'll do the job just as well.

//Ryan
<3 my 3.1TLs

I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2016
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    Love me some vibration isolation. Very resourceful, I went a similar looking route and spent $20 more and got some chrome ones at partsexpress.com
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
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    There's actually some R&D/science into spikes, hence the better ones being cone shaped.
  • lawdogg
    lawdogg Posts: 470
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    Oh, that's neat - spikes are a new concept to me so I'm all ears. Can you elaborate? How are the conical shaped ones better? What research was done? What improvement is made with the use of a conical spike as opposed to a spike with a constant diameter, and how does the cone shape accomplish that improvement? I'm curious as to what shortcomings were overcome with the use of a conical spike in place of a straight one, and how the conical shape uniquely accomplishes the task.
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    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,130
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    1. I chose to grind Grade 8 (hardened steel) hardware to a point. A few minutes with a bench grinder or perhaps even an angle-grinder is all it takes once the bolt head is cut off.
    2. Don't forget jam nuts, (and perhaps washers) so the adjustment isn't lost due to vibration. This also prevents the threads of the insert from bearing the weight.

    I have absolutely no idea how the "cone shape" makes a bit of difference,except for the obvious--as the cone gets wider, there's more of the speaker cabinet that is directly supported. If the point will pierce the carpet and pad, and the weight isn't supported on the thread insert...you're set.

    To me, the big question is whether three or four spikes per speaker is best. I like the three-legged stool concept: Inherently stable. Problem is that the speakers came with four feet.
  • F1nut
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    Feel free to do your own research as I did many years ago because I'm not going to do it again. That said, do you think there could possibly be a good reason, let's say 98% of the spikes available are cone shaped?
  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,758
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    I will pay extra to get a better looking spikes & they can be installed easily. Seriously you can save money by going cheap & sure it will work & probably work/sound outstanding (no arguements here) but when it comes to the better made quality spike they can be installed by people like me :) & they look much cleaner & they make the bass sound much better & seems to get better control of the tone
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  • leftwinger57
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    I don't know about the science behind the cone shape as mine are. With saying that I love when someone re purposes something that isn't titled audiophile and pay through the nose just for that word. Those cable suspenders come to mind and vibrapads for 48cents a piece used in another industry just a few examples. For those who can't afford the real deal move over and think out of the box. Of course don't compromise on cables or i/c that was a lesson learned
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  • boston1450
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    Here is some heavy duty spikes for dirt cheap that work well. Im using them on 1c's & 15tl's. Adding spikes is cheap & rewarding sonically. hnbu1y0m53an.png
    Randy-Maine
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  • Schurkey
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Feel free to do your own research as I did many years ago because I'm not going to do it again. That said, do you think there could possibly be a good reason, let's say 98% of the spikes available are cone shaped?
    Sure. It's really easy to make a sharp point and still provide support to the area around the thread insert when the resulting overall shape is a cone. It's not the cone that works the magic, it's the fact that the speaker is no longer "floating" on a thick, squishy carpet.
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  • boston1450
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    Could always put some eye hooks on top & hang them like 901's-then you wont hurt the carpet :)
    Randy-Maine
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,835
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    I've tapped a set of conical stainless wine bottle stoppers before. The head of the setscrew was inside the cabinet.

    When I find a set of those SDA's like Lawdog's here, I will design billet end caps for them with pre-tapped positions since they are heavy.
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  • lawdogg
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    Great comments guys - lots of ways to skin the cat. And absolutely if you want something gold or shiny and think it's worth the money, go for it! But these don't snag on the carpet at all and I may add a lock nut or a washer / nut for purposes of spreading out the load on the base of the speaker away from the thread inserts. As to why the cone would be better acoustically, "science" says it's hogwash, I don't buy it in the slightest!
    <3 my 3.1TLs

    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
  • xschop
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    Depending on static load, the only limiting factor in a small continuous diameter material/part is Euler's law. More sound energy will transfer, but how much is up to your ears/taste.
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  • F1nut
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    As to why the cone would be better acoustically, "science" says it's hogwash, I don't buy it in the slightest!

    I love it when someone ignores the obvious. Again, when 98% of spikes are cone shaped, you don't think there's a really good reason?
  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 4,120
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    Even intelligent life forms are cone shaped. I tried the pointed spikes, changed to cones.

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  • lawdogg
    lawdogg Posts: 470
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    I think that spikes are conical because people prefer the looks of them - and to spread the load on the base of the speaker, not because of any acoustic advantage - but I'm waiting for the "science" with an open mind! I have 33 cents left in my budget to make whatever improvements are needed to compete with cones :p
    <3 my 3.1TLs

    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
  • motorstereo
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    How much money will you have saved when an insert or 2 gets pushed into the cabinet from bearing all that weight? Worse yet what if the speaker topples over and ruins more than just the cabinet base? I admire your resourcefulness but in this case spending an extra $20 might be a better idea.
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  • xschop
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    As long as you're happy is all that matters. Necessity's the mother of invention... but if mom finds out about that kind of invention on her new carpet....hehe.

    Joking aside, What is the weight of each speaker?
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  • msg
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    Hey Larry, have you ever played around with any speaker spike ideas? I keep seeing this old link to brass spikes turn up every once in a while, but they're no longer manufactured. I still haven't decided on spikes.
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  • pkquat
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    Schurkey wrote: »
    Don't forget jam nuts, (and perhaps washers) so the adjustment isn't lost due to vibration. This also prevents the threads of the insert from bearing the weight.

    as the cone gets wider, there's more of the speaker cabinet that is directly supported.
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    The obvious is that the insert now bears all the weight instead of the base of the cone. It is now also much easier to torque the insert enough to ruin it if you are adjusting the speaker. The insert or base of the speaker still needs something solid to sit on not just threads. I have used the cheap version of spikes but would never on something that heavy, something smaller that I could pick up and down without having to lean one way or the other.
    Schurkey wrote: »
    It's not the cone that works the magic, it's the fact that the speaker is no longer "floating" on a thick, squishy carpet.

    I would strongly recommend the washers unless the tapped portion was designed to support the load, and the spikes and base have enough lateral load capability. Otherwise they are doing most of what spikes are designed to do.

    The majority of the science is from mechanics and practicality - simplicity. The wide top is for a large base to support the load. If the cabinet already has a tapped base then the spike or threaded insert only needs to support the cabinet laterally. A point increases the pressure at the contact area and can help focus and concentrate vibrations for better transmission across the contact area. The smaller the contact area for a fixed load, the higher the pressure. Ideally there are only 3 spikes for proper load distribution.

    The cone shape, a straight taper, is the easiest to machine from a larger diameter to a smaller one. The lateral load capability may have an impact on the taper angle.

    There is some longer sonic theory of transmitting cabinet vibrations to the floor for more bass presence, however some people to not care for the differences in the speed of the sound transmission. The type of floor can have an impact on this, along with the frequencies transmitted. If I recall the main uses for spikes was for tall bookshelf speaker stands. People removed the speakers from the solid "bookshelf" to tall stands and they sounded "airy" and lacked bass. A stand with a heavy base helped keep it stable, but was difficult to move and often provided too much dampening. The stands with spikes gave the speakers a more solid base, especially on carpet. If the stand was designed right, bass frequencies were transmitted to the floor to aid in the bass response from a small speaker.
  • F1nut
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    More like lethal weapons........
  • msg
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    Larry, I think Rambo threaded those onto the end of his arrows to blow up helicopters and bad guys.
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  • lawdogg
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    Thanks for dropping in Larry - thoughts inline with your post. Your spikes are amazing! Would love any experience you have about acoustic changes resulting from lower or higher spike mass. These <$3 spikes are still doing great over here, yet to add the nut & washer which I plan to this weekend. Thanks all for the great commentary.
    <3 my 3.1TLs

    I will fix your shifted magnets for free. :)
  • msg
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    yeah, I was just thinking earlier - good info in this discussion re: spikes in general.
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  • pkquat
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    I should also add, for hardwood, tile and other hard surfaces there are pads for the spikes. The pads have a milled depression, usually conical for ease of manufacture. The bottom of these pads is often felt or sponge rubber. :o The main purpose of these is to save your wood floor from damage, or in the case of a stone floor keep the speaker from bouncing around on spikes adding unwanted noise. You could use a regular pad with a stud in most cases, but the separation of the two in combination with the point allows the pad to pivot so it has even contact with the surface. The small point, as before, increases the pressure at the contact area for improved energy transmission and minimizes the chances of unwanted vibrations adding unwanted sounds. IMO once it has a pad on the bottom a regular furniture pad with a stud will be very similar sonically. I prefer thin felt bottoms vs rubber for consistency. There are more variables with rubber pads, but in some cases I think the right rubber works better.
  • xschop
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    Thanks PQ, that falls in line with what I was thinking that a harder rubber would be better if it were to be used. Ill be using 60A polyurethane when I make the bases for the harwood floors.
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  • pkquat
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    I think the felt is better unless its between the speaker and stand. In that case rubber adds some grip. Thin felt compresses and comes close to disappearing. Something similar to pool table felt. For either felt or rubber the thickness is only 1/32" or less. For rubber it is often a softer closed cell (I think) foam that more or less compresses to flat under load.
  • xschop
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    4ea at 1" diameter interface of the floor, the 60A Poly will not compress much at all but grip solidly. End the end, I think spikes are for people without 3 year olds.
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