1st Quality Preamp

In honor of the new Belles 21a preamp that has joined my main system I am wondering what others experiences have been when they first heard a quality preamp in their system or elsewhere. For me it has open up the listening experience with a depth and clarity I have not heard before. Thanks to all (Marvin especially) for taking my 2 channel experience to the next level...I believe I have satisfied my upgraditis for now and am ready to start listening to the music again.
Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM

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  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,420
    The first time I plugged in the Dodd, I thought it wasn't working it was so silent. No kidding. I'll never forget that black background impression. Depth, clarity, all the things you speak of, absolutely. Congrats - you've amassed an enviable system in a very short time - enjoy it!
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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,052
    Same with me with the Dodd, with 1950's Amperex Holland 7308 D getter.
  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,105
    edited December 2015
    Yep, a good pre/pro is mandatory.
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; Cables ZU Mission IC's, SC and power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,519
    my first was with a dodd elp hooked up to a denon integrated amp.
    here's what danny richie had to say:

    "Next we tried a big Denon integrated amp that Marvin brought in. Marvin please tell more about it. I believe he said it was 80 watts into 8 ohms and 160 watts into 4 ohms.

    This thing had a typical solid state sound but a nice balance. Nothing stood out that was bad at all, but the sound stage was kind of flat and congested.

    Since it had an auxiliary pre-amp input we were able to by-pass the internal pre-amp section and drive it with one of Gary's pre-amps. We hooked up his $450. entry level unit that is based on the Melos 333.

    Wow! What a change in performance this was! Sound stage opened up big time and this amp sounded really good. It had lots of drive to it and a really nice overall sound. It did not quite have to lushness of the big tube amps but it was really musical. This was an easy combo to live with for a while too. We were all really impressed (all of us). Eyes were opened. I liked this combo much better than the Ampzilla's and the Ampzilla amps were used with a much better Dodd Audio reference level pre-amp."
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,970
    My first "real" pre amp was a Sonic Frontiers, but I already knew what to expect as a friend had one hooked up to a nice R2R that just blew me away from what I was accustomed to.

    Glad your digging the Belles, we wouldn't steer ya wrong man, she's a sweet piece for sure.
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  • Congrats on the Belles,,,knew you would like it,,,now go listen to your entire collection and report back here:)
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 20,434
    Mine was also a Dodd, and the difference was amazing. My Pass Labs however is on another level.
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  • voltzvoltz Posts: 5,205
    I picked up a Peachtree Decco 65 Integrated amplifier and took my 1st step into 2 channel music, then since I had a adcom amp powering my HT front speakers I decided to buy this Vincent SA-31 preamp to see what a Preamp & amp setup would sound like. And then later added a Vincent Amplifier to go with it and I super happy with my combo!
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,545
    I'll let you know soon. Not that the B&K I have now isn't quality but I'm moving to toooobes.
    afterburnt wrote: »
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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,128
    Congrats and Njoy! Attaboy Marvin! lol
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  • Polkie2009Polkie2009 Posts: 3,836
    Bought a Phase Linear 4000 Two series preamp in 1979. Sounded much better than the mid fi receivers I had previously.
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,790
    Mine was the Anthem Pre 2L. Sweet sounds.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,861
    I also had a phase 4000. Replaced it with an integra, the adcom 565, the a carver c19. The c19 was my first round with tubes.

    Congrats on the Belles!! Nice stuff!
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,026
    edited December 2015
    My first quality preamp was a Rogue Audio Perseus. First tube preamp, first good one that I can recall. After that I stuck with tube pres... a Cary SLP98 then an SLP98 F1, then the Cary SLP05 and that's where I've been.

    Not sure what's next for me.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,861
    Joey, you kind of hit on something. Not sure what's next. When we hit a certain level in our system, it's not upgrading anymore. It's just a change in the signature sound of the designer. We all wonder what's the next step or direction or what might sound better to us but is it really an "upgrade"?
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,
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    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T

  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,128
    edited December 2015
    erniejade wrote: »
    When we hit a certain level in our system, it's not upgrading anymore. It's just a change in the signature sound of the designer. We all wonder what's the next step or direction or what might sound better to us but is it really an "upgrade"?

    I agree. We chase different and call it better. Our selections are based on our journey and preferences.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,545
    I should be getting my Dared tube preamp with Auricaps this coming week. I'm ridiculously excited.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,861
    Good stuff nightfall! Nice pickup on the Dared.
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,
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    Living Room: Teac AI-3000,T+A PA 1530R, Tyler Highland H2, Aries Mini, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac 11
    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T

  • muncybobmuncybob Posts: 2,051
    I wish I could keep the Backert labs Rhumba pre that I have only until this Wednesday :(
    Yep, my name really is Bob.
    Parasound HCA1500, Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Oppo BDP93, Marantz UD7007, modded Polk SDA 2B.
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