Good flac to cd burner?

I just downloaded the 48/24 flac files for Tom Petty - Hypnotic Eye and burned a CD with CDBurnerXP. From everything I've read, the purchased CD is really compressed and the download is not. Hoping to get a good sounding, uncompressed CD from this. I checked that it plays but haven't had time to listen yet. I'm not quite ready to dive into streaming or a music server quite yet but this could be a good option for now.

CDBurnerXP is easy to use but how does it compare from a sound quality perspective? Are there better options or is there any difference in sound quality?
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  • StewStew Posts: 646
    I do not have a DAC. A good universal player or dac could be in my future. For now, I'll play the CD in my Jolida JD-100.
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  • StewStew Posts: 646
    Bump. Does choice of CD converting/burning software make any difference in sound quality?

    Skip, I appreciate your previous help on dacs and universal players. One of those is likely in my future but not quite ready to dive in.
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  • Tbone289Tbone289 Posts: 669
    Stew wrote: »
    Bump. Does choice of CD converting/burning software make any difference in sound quality?

    No. As long as you get an accurate burn, it should make no difference.
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  • StewStew Posts: 646
    Thanks. Looking forward to listening to it.
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  • PolkieManPolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    Burning at a lower speed like 4x is better
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  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,346
    You'll need to do is convert the bitrate to cd-quality. You've downloaded 24-bit 48kHz files, but cd is 16-bit 44.1kHz. I use dbpoweramp for this.
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  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 6,411
    I use EasyCDDA. It rips, converts, creates, with a few clicks.
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  • StewStew Posts: 646
    Thanks. I'll take a look at dbpoweramp and EasyCDDA. I burned at 16x. Should I burn another disc at a lower speed?
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  • scotvlscotvl Posts: 88
    Stew wrote: »
    Thanks. I'll take a look at dbpoweramp and EasyCDDA. I burned at 16x. Should I burn another disc at a lower speed?

    I would, use the lowest speed your burner will burn at even if its 8x the lower the better.
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,968
    how does burning at slower speeds made a difference?
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  • scotvlscotvl Posts: 88
    Q. Why does the speed at which you burn a CD make a difference?
    Published in SOS November 2004

    Can you explain once and for all why the speed at which you burn a CD should make a difference to the quality of the audio on it? I've read that higher burn speeds adversly affect sound quality and that this can be clearly measured, but I don't see why this should be the case. Surely, since the data is digital, the ones and zeros should be the same whether you burn at 1x, 8x, 24x or whatever else?
    SOS Forum Post

    Technical Editor Hugh Robjohns replies: Different burn speeds do indeed have a measurable effect on the quality of the signal burned into a CD-R, but it also depends on the quality of the CD burner and the CD-R itself.
    qa B1 HHB.s
    HHB's CD-Rs provide one example of a range of media designed and tested for audio applications.
    Higher burn speeds don't induce more errors in the disc directly, but you have to remember that while the data is digital, the physical process of burning a CD is an analogue one, and that the error protection embedded in audio CDs is much inferior to that of data CDs. The CD burner creates small bumps in the playing surface of the CD-R that the CD player can then detect. The spacing between each bump is critical to being able to detect and decode the data signal. But more importantly, the rising and falling edge (the beginning and end) of each bump is also critical, and this is the aspect that is most affected by different combinations of burn speed, disc media and the state of the laser.
    If the bumps have shallow edges rather than nice sharp, crisp edges, the CD player extracts a very jittery signal with ambiguous timing references. Depending on how well designed the player is, a jittery output can often throw the rest of the data decoding system into a state of unreliability, leading to a higher error rate and thus a greater number of uncorrected errors.
    It is generally acknowledged as good practice to burn audio CDs at speeds no higher than 4x, but it is also important that you use good-quality blank media specifically designed for low-speed burning. Most computer media these days is designed for very high-speed burning, usually over 24x. Such discs may not give reliable results when burned at low speeds.
    So, matching media and burning speed is critical. However, burning at very fast speeds is inherently less accurate than burning at low speeds. Precision will certainly fall as the speed increases — it's a necessary consequence of the physics of the burning process. Within reasonable limits, this reduced precision in the way the pits are burned isn't a problem for data discs because of the enhanced error protection they employ. Consequently, error checks on data discs will generally confirm that there is no significant increase in error rates when burned at high speeds when the media and burner are up to the task.
    However, Red Book-standard audio CDs work in a different way, have a much lower error protection capability and rely on the spacing between the bumps and the angle of their edges to retrieve and decode the data properly. High-speed burning makes the problem much harder to resolve, and hence most experienced mastering engineers prefer to copy discs at relatively low speeds.
    Don't underestimate the importance of the chemistry of the CD-R itself. Just like CD burners, not all CD-Rs are created equal and there is a significant difference in the quality of the media from different manufacturers, sometimes even from batch to batch from the same manufacturer. I would advise only using reputable, branded media designed specifically for audio purposes.


    Sorry for the wall of text but it's the best explanation I could find this morning.
  • VCoakVCoak Posts: 200
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  • PolkieManPolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    Having a weak power supply will cause problems too, the cd doesn't get burned good same with high speed
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  • StewStew Posts: 646
    I know I'm late to the party and this is probably old news for many of you but I thought I'd share what I've learned recently. I downloaded the 24 bit flac files for Tom Petty's new album and made a CD with CDBurnerXP. It sounded pretty good but vocals and highs had a hard edge to them. I did a little research and found out that CDBurnerXP does not dither when down converting. It only truncates. I downloaded another free program called Audacity and down converted to 16 bit with shaped dithering. Burned these files to CD with CDBurnerXP and it's a night and day difference. There seems to be a debate on whether dithering helps but to my ears the choice is obvious. The second CD is much smoother with no loss of detail. I was considering a universal player or dac for high rez files but the second CD sounds good enough to put that on the back burner. YMMV.
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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