RTI Line - 8vs10

Hi guys,
Thanks for the recent help on my amplifier's power question.

I'm looking to upgrade my Monitor 50 (FL FR) and CS1 for something a step up.

I've been reading up on the RTI8 and RTI10. The RTI12s are a bit out of my range.

For $400/pair the RTI8s seem like a good buy. This upgrade will be used for movies and TV. Probably 80% movies/tv and 20% music/gaming.

I will most likely purchase an SVS PB1000 (the 2000 is too big in the room).

Room size is 19x10x9. I sit about 8' from the towers/center.

Any advise or personal experience would help. Which is the better option for movies/tv?

Comments

  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 17,205
    First no such thing as "too big for the room". If it was me the SVS 2000 would be what I get. You can always turn down the gain on the sub if its too much.

    And TBH without knowing what your running reciever wise, the BEST bet for me would b the RTi8's like you said. They will be MORE than capable of handling the frequencies you need them to (down to ~80hz) where your sub can take over.

    The 10's are nice, but for mostly HT the 8's do exactly what you need and save you some dough (so you can get the SVS 2000).

    Make sure to go with the CSi5 center as well. You want the BIGGEST BADDEST center in the line so thats the CSi5.

    For surrounds at a later time I'd move to the FXi surrounds as they will be good, but matching surrounds (while important) isnt nearly as big a deal as making sure your front 3 speakers are all from the same line.

    Happy hunting

    PS check the Polk eBay site, they tend to have those pop up quite often and they are cheaper (since they are refurbs) BUT still have a one year warranty (v 3 years new).

    Plus I "think" if your a Club Polk member you might get a discount but I dont know that as gospel, but it would be something to ask about.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Hi thanks.

    Sorry I forgot to add:
    Receiver - Pioneer SC-1523-K

    When I said too big, I mean physically too big. I'll double-check the dimensions though.

    I plan on the CSi5 too.

    Will the 8s have better clarity than my Monitor 50 towers?

  • Also the price difference between the 8s and 10s are only $100 for the pair.

    Currently on Polk's eBay store:
    RTI8 = $399/pair
    RTI10 = $499/pair

    I've read that the mids on the 8s are better than the 10s... Which is important for movies.

    But if I'm going to set a crossover of 80hz... does it make a difference?

    I'd prefer to have the SVS take over.
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 17,205
    edited December 2014
    When I said too big, I mean physically too big. I'll double-check the dimensions though.

    Gotcha.... you can put the sub in just about any corner, your not really locked into one location.... and if thats a problem look at their cylinder subs (PC-2000 link here). Take up less width and depth just a LOT taller... Their are some older models out there too you could likely find as well if the PC-2000 isnt your cup of tea
    Will the 8s have better clarity than my Monitor 50 towers?

    Yes
    Also the price difference between the 8s and 10s are only $100 for the pair.

    Currently on Polk's eBay store:
    RTI8 = $399/pair
    RTI10 = $499/pair

    I've read that the mids on the 8s are better than the 10s... Which is important for movies.

    But if I'm going to set a crossover of 80hz... does it make a difference?

    I'd prefer to have the SVS take over.

    Honestly if the price diff is 100 bucks it wouldn't hurt to go with the 10's, but honestly I'd save the money and go with the 8's. The 8's are going to be easily powered by your AVR, the 10's start to get into the you may want to buy a 2 channel dedicated amp territory.

    When you set your crossover at 80hz what that means is that at that frequency your AVR starts dropping the power of the signal by 12db (dont quote me on that figure) at that point, your speakers will still play sounds below 80hz, just less and less the farther down you go.

    I think the 8's will save you a bit of cash which is never a bad thing, but if you are going to wonder "what if" later on, the 10's should be able to get quite loud on your reciever as well.

    Neither is a bad choice its more of preference. I would prefer to go with the 8's and spend any extra on making sure I got a big bad sub, and maybe looking at replacing your surrounds at the same time if your 5.1, or adding another set to go 7.1, etc...

    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about.

    I don't want to just get the 8s and then wonder if I should have gotten the 10s... however then I read that for movies/tv the 8s are better in the mids.

    Hard to say, since I can't audition them.

    All my wiring is in wall... so I'm somewhat limited to placement for the sub.

    Before wiring the sub cable in wall I did a placement test and determined it to be the best place.
  • MADGSFMADGSF Posts: 603
    I would go with the 8's and a good sub. For what you are doing in that size room they will work great.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 17,205
    edited December 2014
    All my wiring is in wall... so I'm somewhat limited to placement for the sub.

    Before wiring the sub cable in wall I did a placement test and determined it to be the best place.

    Gotcha. Look and see if the cylinder subs from SVS might work better. They are around 16" in diameter

    I'd agree the 8's are likely the better bet for your room size. But again for 100 bucks you make that call, either will be VERY good.

    If you can do it, I'd go with the biggest baddest sub you can. If you can do the PC-2000 awesome, and if you can do the PC 12 Plus I'd do that too (but its quite a bit more).

    The PC-2000 is a good fit for your room if you have the height to get away with it.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Most of the Rti's on Polks eBay store are new not refurbished and they have the full warranty.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • Yes I noticed they are new.

    I think the 8s are the way to go. Can anyone confirm if the 8's mids are better than the 10s?

    Since the 10s have more low end, this won't really be an issue since the sub will take over.
  • Also, FYI- Club Polk is for parts only. I just received an email with the info.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,710
    edited December 2014
    If you can't swing the 12's than I would get the 8's. The crossover point on the 10's for the two 7" woofers is 125hz leaving the single 6.5 to handle every thing from there clear to 2700hz. In addition the 8's, like the 12's and csi5, uses the "cascade tapered array" crossovers that improves the mid range response. If you are patient I have seen the 12's go on sale on the ebay store for $599 a pair, but no knowing when that will happen again.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • Great info. I'm just trying to confirm that the 8s will be better for my usage... Movies/TV...

    With the RTI8s is there a recommended cross over? I would play around with it a bit, but obviously don't have them yet.

    The SVS PB1000 is what SVS support recommended for me.
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 17,205
    The recommended crossover for most movies/tv shows/gaming is going to be 80hz. You can go lower but with the SVS sub no point in doing so.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 318
    edited December 2014
    Great info. I'm just trying to confirm that the 8s will be better for my usage... Movies/TV...

    With the RTI8s is there a recommended cross over? I would play around with it a bit, but obviously don't have them yet.

    The SVS PB1000 is what SVS support recommended for me.
    You can't have 100% certitude anyway.....since you can't audition them and do a side by side, you have to go for 1 model and call it a day
    Some will tell you they like their 10s, some will tell you the 8s are the best, and others will tell you it's better to get the 12s. And they will all be right, since it's their speakers and more importantly, their ears
    The thing I've learned reading that forum though is that the 8s (or A5) are easy to drive, and a decent AVR will suffice. The 10(A7) or 12 (A9) are more power hungry
    I was in the same boat 2 weeks ago, and i finally ordered the RTi A5 to replace my TSi300, without being able to audition them......(after asking a lot of questions :D )


    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • How do you like the A5s?
  • Did not test them yet......They are stored in the basement, need to wait Christmas!!!!
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Still looking for a receiver
  • Haha something to look forward to! Nice.
  • Én az RTI 10 tudom ajánlani!
    Házimozi:
    Erősítő: Pioneer VSX-AX3 , Táp.káb:Furutech Fp 314 Ag
    Hangfalak: PolkAudio rti 10, PolkAudio csi a6, JBL lx-22 H.kábel: Eichmann Express 2
    Sub: JBL ES250 pw, Magnat Quantum 530a
    Blu-Ray: Pioneer BDP-430 3D , Van Den Hul Optocoupler MKII. HDMI:Kácsa 1.4
    DVD: Pioneer DV-868AV-i-S
    TV: LG 42LA690S 3D Led.
    Elosztó: Hivox Alces3 táp:Furutech Fp-314Ag
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,338
    Do you have a Fry's close by? They carry the older RTi line in some stores.

    A few weeks ago I had a long lunch and we went to the San Marcos store and kicked back and did a full review of the RTi8, 10's and 12, hooked to the same AVR and the sales guy who was having fun with us tossed in the TSX550t. On just AVR power and no sub all of us agreed that the 12's are best followed by the TSX550t. The TSX550t actually had a nice warmer sound than any of the RTi hooked into the Yamaha AVR. The 10's and 12's need more power.

    Me, I like my RTi8's sweet spot for my crossover is 60hz with my HSU VTF2. Movies are great and music is awesome. Crossover setting depends a lot on room size and placement of the sub.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • A házimozi rendszerem, nekem nagyon jók a Polk.
    Házimozi:
    Erősítő: Pioneer VSX-AX3 , Táp.káb:Furutech Fp 314 Ag
    Hangfalak: PolkAudio rti 10, PolkAudio csi a6, JBL lx-22 H.kábel: Eichmann Express 2
    Sub: JBL ES250 pw, Magnat Quantum 530a
    Blu-Ray: Pioneer BDP-430 3D , Van Den Hul Optocoupler MKII. HDMI:Kácsa 1.4
    DVD: Pioneer DV-868AV-i-S
    TV: LG 42LA690S 3D Led.
    Elosztó: Hivox Alces3 táp:Furutech Fp-314Ag
  • msgmsg Posts: 6,268
    edited January 2015
    mrloren wrote: »
    The TSX550t actually had a nice warmer sound than any of the RTi hooked into the Yamaha AVR. The 10's and 12's need more power..
    Side note - nice. I always wondered what the TSX550's sounded like compared to the RTi10's and RTi12's.

    I had a hard time driving my RTi10's to my satisfaction with testing with a few different current (as of last winter) higher power AVR's, but it was the music quality that was killing it for me. For tv/theater, I thought they did pretty well.

    That said, if you haven't already made your purchase, I would agree with what Enders said and go with the RTi8's, the CSi5 (I had this with my 10's; it was great) and the best sub you can afford. the RTi10's can crank, but you'll need a lot of power to drive them properly and even that nice Pioneer AVR you have won't really run them to the level they're capable.
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  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 2,692
    I have the 10's. They do need a lot of juice. That said, when powered properly, they have a bone crushing theater effect. Sorry to confuse the issue here. If you intend to stay with that receiver for a while, the 8s and a good sub will be your better option. Actually, you could even do the RTi6's, which are some of my favorite bookies. The thing you will get with the 10s is the feeling like you got brand new speakers when you eventually upgrade to a beefier receiver/amp. They will open up.
  • seabeerob213seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    Get the 8s, and down the road move up to the 12s and 8s to surrounds
    HT/2channel:
    AVR: Yamaha RX-V 765
    Fronts: Polk RTiA3
    sub: Polk PSW110(will add 2x PSW 505)
    Center: CS13
    surrounds:Polk RTi4( also have some def tech pro Mon. 800s, may end up her or expanding this to 7 channel.)
    TV: samsung 40
    The real 2 Channel(work in progress):
    Pre:HK 3490
    Amp:Parasound 1200 MK II
    Sub:RBH 1010-SEP
    Speakers: Monitor 5A peerless
    Headphones:
    Source: FIIO X3 CD rips WMA lossless
    Amp: FIIO E12, Nuforce icon udcac-2 W/pangea cable
    Cans: Audio-Technica ATH-M50, Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i
    most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)

    "WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS,
    THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE,
    THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER
    WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS
    WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"
    Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
  • mr2686mr2686 Posts: 52
    I'll throw in on this one. I have the RTI8's and the CSI5 and did extensive listening tests at the local Fry's between them and the 550T and the RTI4 and RTI6. The 550's were definitely warmer, and initially very impressive, but after listening to multiple selections, they sounded more colored and showed some weaknesses that I didn't like (also I didn't feel they were worth the asking price, which was a lot more than the 8's). The 8's, to me, sound much more like a live performance every time I listen to them, which I really love. By the way, I really liked the RTI4 and 6 also, and decided to go with the 4's for my surrounds since they have a similar sound as the 8's, but just a little less detailed.
  • Thanks for all the feedback.

    I ended up getting the RTi8s and CSi5.

    I'll be looking to upgrade my Monitor30 rear/sides for RTi6s later on, after I upgrade the sub. SVS-PB2000 or Rythmik LV12R.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,338
    Thanks for all the feedback.

    I ended up getting the RTi8s and CSi5..

    Good speakers, I wish I did not have to sell my CSi5 but it wont fit in my TV stand. that is one big center speaker. They sound so sweet with a good sub.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • voltzvoltz Posts: 5,423
    I know how you feel there mrLoren, I had to get the CsiA4 center over the 6 as it would have never fit into my system until I mount my TV on the Wall then I could put one on top of my stand.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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