Holy Schiit! An US made DSD DAC for under $150.00

Danny TseDanny Tse Posts: 5,227
edited May 2014 in Going Digital
Here you go....get your DSD downloads now!

http://schiit.com/products/loki

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  • striderstrider Posts: 2,569
    edited September 2013
    Good way to sample DSD on the cheap. I like the philosophies the guys at Schiit subscribe to, especially liked this regarding the new DSD craze:

    "The Right Path to an Uncertain Future
    DSD is the buzzword right now. Some of us also remember when SACD, HDCD, DAT, reel-to-reel, ELcassette, and quadraphonic were the “next big thing” on the audiophile scene. There’s a very real possibility DSD will go the way of the dodo. Loki allows you to try DSD at a very low price, and decide if it’s for you—without throwing away your current DAC. If DSD succeeds, cool! If it doesn’t, you’re not out big bucks."
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    edited September 2013
    Well, they aptly named their budget products. I doubt this has ANYTHING substantial to offer after hearing their $100 DAC last year. Their schiit is what made me realize it was going to take a solid budget to get anywhere in DAC's.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • striderstrider Posts: 2,569
    edited September 2013
    I've never heard anything of theirs myself, but I haven't seen anyone on this forum profess much love for any Schiit DAC products. Odd, because the guys at Audiocircle seem to think highly of them and John Darko rates a couple of them pretty well.
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,901
    edited September 2013
    Eh, it's not than we don't have any love for their products, it's just that there's nothing special about them in their price class. There's a hundred other dacs out there that sound just as good if not better for around the same price. Not knocking them, but as the previous poster noted, you have to spend a tad bit more to better what you already have built into your source component like a cdp or good avr.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited September 2013
    Well, NOBODY makes a $100 DAC that's superb, Schiit included. I love the Schiit gear for what it is, reasonably good sounding at reasonable prices and made here in the US. I especially like their headphone amps. I find their DACs a little 'lean' sounding, they don't qite have the impact or PRaT that I prefer my music to have.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,901
    edited September 2013
    Yes Sir, I'll agree to that. Those cheap dacs are good for some computer rigs, that's about it. If you think a 150 buck dac will sound better than what your already using in the main rig though, best think again.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,041
    edited September 2013
    USB power? Any DAC worth it's salt will have a nice linear power supply. You get what you pay for. For this type of DAC I'm sure it does a good job, but at this price and application it's made to use with a computer rig probably running i-Tunes, etc. Certainly not all out best sound, but a nice step up from a sound card or the I-Pod dac.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

    Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
  • striderstrider Posts: 2,569
    edited September 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Eh, it's not than we don't have any love for their products, it's just that there's nothing special about them in their price class. There's a hundred other dacs out there that sound just as good if not better for around the same price. Not knocking them, but as the previous poster noted, you have to spend a tad bit more to better what you already have built into your source component like a cdp or good avr.

    I was just pointing out how people's opinions are so varied on the same product.
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
  • striderstrider Posts: 2,569
    edited September 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yes Sir, I'll agree to that. Those cheap dacs are good for some computer rigs, that's about it. If you think a 150 buck dac will sound better than what your already using in the main rig though, best think again.

    You say computer rig like it can't be anything of any quality.
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    edited September 2013
    strider wrote: »
    You say computer rig like it can't be anything of any quality.

    Not so. The fact is the budget Schiit gear just gets the job done. What he is saying is there is no point in putting them in your main rig, especially if you've got a decent CDP or the like.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    edited September 2013
    strider wrote: »
    I was just pointing out how people's opinions are so varied on the same product.

    Its as varied as the people who buy/listen to them. Anything can get a good review from a large population, its the discerning population that you want to listen to IMO. It usually gives you a lot better feel for how good a product is. For a lot of people who spend a bill on a DAC, ignorance is bliss.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • ChristoChristo Posts: 30
    edited May 2014
    Agreed. The Bifrost was great in my PC system.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,901
    edited May 2014
    strider wrote: »
    You say computer rig like it can't be anything of any quality.

    Absolutely not my friend. Have you read any of my posts ?

    The entry level dacs for office systems, near field listening...cool, but they don't cut the mustard when compared to even a decent cdp in a main system.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • rikmrikm Posts: 23
    edited May 2014
    ...just got one this past weekend. Have to say I was sceptical about the whole DSD streaming thing, and I only have a handfull of files to test with [and only one that I also have an rbcd version to compare it to], but I am telling myself that I think I can hear a difference...

    Have to play with it some more I guess...
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,901
    edited May 2014
    rikm wrote: »
    ...but I am telling myself that I think I can hear a difference......

    You think ? LOL

    If that's the case then the differences are too small to matter much.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • rikmrikm Posts: 23
    edited May 2014
    Well that was kinda the point for me...with the whole 'Next Big Thing' that external DACs and DSD downloads seem to be I mean.

    I have been using a PC as the main source for years, first with .shn and then with .flac, and the audio card [a venerable old MAudio 24/96] seemed to be doing just fine. My setup is mostly old, the only new addition is the pair of 707's that replaced my old speakers, [now out on the patio, and still sounding plenty good enough out there], and they are definitely the best speakers I have ever had... and so I guess I have been looking at the rest of the system and wondering if I could be feeding them a better signal...
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    edited May 2014
    Hell yeah you could! But, remember that the DAC (and any source for that matter) isn't the only thing that matters in the signal. Everything does. What's the rest of the rig?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • rikmrikm Posts: 23
    edited May 2014
    ...and that's how it starts, just a little tweaking here and maybe some new somethings there...


    In any case, the amps are a bridged pair of NAD 2200PE's with the 1300 pre, and the CDP is also an NAD, the somewhat less old C542. I don't have the FM tuner connected but have an XM receiver wired to an antenna outside [there is pretty much no broadcast reception where I am], and the old tape deck and turntable are also retired.

    The speakers in the big room are as I said, a shiny new pair of LSiM 707's that still make me smile every time I turn them on, and that I think sound quite good in the room. The size and specs of the room are in part what made me start looking for new speakers... the old pair were not I think, up to filling the space and maybe sounded a little harsh as well, so a new pair made all kinds of sense. New room, new house, new speakers...

    And that's how it all started...
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