Does Onkyo 809 have 12v trigger?

xftman
xftman Posts: 153
edited March 2013 in Electronics
Can't find any where on the back panel. I need this feature to control my XPA-5. If not, what is my option?

Thanks
Joe
MAIN:
Front- LsiM 707 (MIT Terminator 2 Bi-Wire),
Center- lsiM 706,
Surrounds- lsi F/X,
Power sub PSW1000,
Receiver- Harman Kardon Avr 3700,
Amp - Emo XPR-5.

Secondary (2.1):
LsiM 703,
HK Avr 3700,
Yaqin MS-30L,
Polk DSW-PRO 400.

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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited February 2013
    I dont think they have a 12 volt trigger. I have a green or smart power strip that I use. There is one plug that is the controling plug. It detects when the device is turned on or off that is plugged in to the socket. It has 3 plugs that are non switched (hot all the time). And 3 or 4 plugs that are switched (powered on or off when the device that is plugged in to the controling plug is on or off).

    I have my AVR plugged in to the controlling plug, Amplifier, Sub, Wirless Network Bridge, and cooling fan pluged in to the switched outlets. My PS3, TV, and Dish Network box pluged in to the non switched outles.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
  • xftman
    xftman Posts: 153
    edited February 2013
    Thanks JB. I may go back to my HK 7550HD.
    MAIN:
    Front- LsiM 707 (MIT Terminator 2 Bi-Wire),
    Center- lsiM 706,
    Surrounds- lsi F/X,
    Power sub PSW1000,
    Receiver- Harman Kardon Avr 3700,
    Amp - Emo XPR-5.

    Secondary (2.1):
    LsiM 703,
    HK Avr 3700,
    Yaqin MS-30L,
    Polk DSW-PRO 400.

  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited February 2013
    You would think any AVR that has analog pre outs would also have a trigger.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited February 2013
    It has two 12v triggers that are operated by zone2 or 3.

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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited February 2013
    So you have to manually turn them on by the remote. I guess that is better than nothing.
    AVR: Onkyo Tx-NR808
    Amplifier: Carver A-753x 250 watts x 3
    Fronts: Polk RTI A7 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Center: CSI A4 (modded by Trey VR3)
    Rear: FXI A4
    Sub: Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    TV: LG Infinia 50PX950 3D
    Speaker Cable: AudioQuest Type 8
    IC: AudioQuest Black Mamba II
  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited February 2013
    Its still kind of ridiculous though. It would be nice if you could at least program the macros in the remote to do it as long as it will turn on other components with a one button push. How hard could it have been to make it possible to turn on a 12v trigger along with it.
  • xftman
    xftman Posts: 153
    edited February 2013
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    It has two 12v triggers that are operated by zone2 or 3.

    2j3gqav.jpg

    unbelievable for Onkyo, has pe-out but no trgger.
    MAIN:
    Front- LsiM 707 (MIT Terminator 2 Bi-Wire),
    Center- lsiM 706,
    Surrounds- lsi F/X,
    Power sub PSW1000,
    Receiver- Harman Kardon Avr 3700,
    Amp - Emo XPR-5.

    Secondary (2.1):
    LsiM 703,
    HK Avr 3700,
    Yaqin MS-30L,
    Polk DSW-PRO 400.

  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,069
    edited February 2013
    In this case, wouldn't it be simpler to just push the button on the amp to turn it on ?
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  • xftman
    xftman Posts: 153
    edited February 2013
    That is what I am doing the last couple months and will continue doing that. For my Adcom I kept it on all time.
    MAIN:
    Front- LsiM 707 (MIT Terminator 2 Bi-Wire),
    Center- lsiM 706,
    Surrounds- lsi F/X,
    Power sub PSW1000,
    Receiver- Harman Kardon Avr 3700,
    Amp - Emo XPR-5.

    Secondary (2.1):
    LsiM 703,
    HK Avr 3700,
    Yaqin MS-30L,
    Polk DSW-PRO 400.

  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited February 2013
    Why can't you just use the zone 3 trigger and use it for your amp to turn it on and off ?
  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited February 2013
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    Why can't you just use the zone 3 trigger and use it for your amp to turn it on and off ?

    I tried it on my 805 (turn on my 5-channel amp using zone 2 trigger), but couldn't get it to work. The receiver switches to zone 2 if I remember correctly or something like that.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited February 2013
    Although that's an impractical design. I'm pretty sure you're right. Onkyos are built to have to operate in zone 2 or 3 to use these features! Go figure. And yet my older Denon AVR 2807 has two 12V triggers?

    cnh
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  • cowtrimmer
    cowtrimmer Posts: 201
    edited February 2013
    I wish I had something with a 12v trigger to test this but..........I went into the menu and set my zone2 as a fixed mode. If I push zone2 on the remote(green light) and hit the receiver power button it turns on zone2 on the receiver, which according to the manual will throw12v out of the trigger. Then I press the receiver button on the remote and the receiver functions as normal. To shut the zone2 off and activate the trigger the procedure is just the opposite. If I get time tomorrow I am going to try and remember to bring my multi-meter over here, hook it up to test it.
  • jephdood
    jephdood Posts: 1,690
    edited March 2013
    I'm in the exact same boat. The Parasound amp I'm using has a flakey power switch (contact issue, or dirty me thinks). So, I was going to turn it on instead with the 12v from my 809.

    Er uh... Lame.....
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    Onkyo limits zone 1 triggers to their Integra line and pre-pros. I'm in the same boat... I half-**** got around it by getting a Belkin PF60 and hooking it to the switched outlet on my cable box as a trigger, then have the PF60 control turning on my backlighting, etc. The PF60 also lets you turn a switched outlet control like that into a 12v trigger output, and there are many devices like that. Some people are using power-sensing power strips and wall-warts as 12v triggers.

    So there are options... but yeah, it kinda' sucks. Every time my cable box comes on to record something, it kicks my amp on. Still working out a better solution, but it isn't a priority.
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    cowtrimmer wrote: »
    I wish I had something with a 12v trigger to test this but..........I went into the menu and set my zone2 as a fixed mode. If I push zone2 on the remote(green light) and hit the receiver power button it turns on zone2 on the receiver, which according to the manual will throw12v out of the trigger. Then I press the receiver button on the remote and the receiver functions as normal. To shut the zone2 off and activate the trigger the procedure is just the opposite. If I get time tomorrow I am going to try and remember to bring my multi-meter over here, hook it up to test it.
    It works. You just set Zone 2 to fixed, make sure Powered Zone 2 is off in the options, and you can program a universal remote (like a Harmony remote) to kick zone 2 on as your system powers up. You just have to program the button for this on the Harmony by hitting the Zone 2 button on the original remote, then the power button and record that code to your universal remote. You can then use it in a macro. It's a pain... but that's how people have been handling it.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • fokakis1
    fokakis1 Posts: 36
    edited March 2013
    I fashioned a 12V trigger out of a 12V DC converting wall plug by cutting the plug off the end and replacing it with a 3.5mm headphone plug. I plugged the converter into the switched outlet on the back of the receiver. However, some Onkyo receivers (like the 809) don't have a switched AC outlet on the back.

    From my understanding "smart" surge protectors use a moving pen that opens and closes to connect power to the switched outlets. This may be less than ideal for directly powering high current amps. If your receiver does not have a switched outlet you could fashion a plug like the one I described above and plug it in to the switched outlet of one of these smart surge protectors. Then plug a remote controlled component (blu ray player, cd player, etc.) in to the master plug. This will allow you to plug your amp in to a better outlet.
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