Will power make that big of a difference? Do i need more?
HEY GUYS I HAVE TSI 300 AND 400 TOWERS UP FRONT.ONLY THE 400'S RUN WHEN ON 5.1. I ALSO HAVE CSI10 AND A 10" SUB. HAD SOME SURROUNDS BUT FIXING TO GO TSI 100 OR 200 FOR THOSE TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN LIKE KIND. I HAVE A PIONEER VSX 821 AT 80 WATTS RMS SO THEY SAY. MY PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN WE WATCH A MOVIE I HAVE TO REALLY CRANK THE VOLUME TO GET THE EFFECT THAT I WANT AND ITS TOO LOUD FOR MY WIFE. I AM THINKING ABOUT A MARANTZ 5007 OR DENON 2313 BUT WONDER IF MY SPEAKERS WILL REALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE RECIEVERS AND I WANTED SOME OTHER OPINIONS ON THIS MATTER. ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS :question:
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Now that's funny! But to be honest. Using CAPS and thinking that means SHOUTING on the internet is just a "social" convention that must be "learned"; there is NOTHING about caps alone that means "anything". You have to be instructed in a "culture of internet etiquette" to realize you're TYPING TOO LOUDLY. And even as I type that I can't help but chuckle or laugh (how can one type too loudly?).
OK, don't use caps, but only because it's a "convention" of arbitrarily agreed upon politeness to NOT call any attention to yourself!
Now on to other issues that do not involve "cultural relativity"!
The problem with your post is you say two contradictory things.
One, you don't have enough power!
Two, your wife's ears say you do!
So which is it?
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I would imagine having the TSi500 and feeding it tons of power would do the trick. I noticed the like speaker M70 responded quite well to LOTS of power.
One of your main problems however (in my opinion), is probably not a power issue, but a speaker issue, namely your center. I bet, just bet that if you upgraded to the CS20, your vocal dynamics would greatly improve the "effect" your talking about.
The center upgrade would be a relatively inexpensive one compared to what you're considering. I would start there and then see what you've got.
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On the bigger center, oh heck yes!! I actually demoed them side by side and the 20 ba-lew the 10 away, made it sound like it was straining to try and keep up. I had the CS2 with my monitors feeding them 200wpc and they sounded very good both musically and theatrically.
I'd go bigger center first and then add your amp or do both at the same time.
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Yup, as Ernie mentions my Integra has a Night mode which I turn on high when playing video games while my wife is asleep. Allows me to keep the same volume, but the bass is MUCH less so it doesnt wake her
"REALLY CRANK THE VOLUME TO GET THE EFFECT THAT I WANT AND ITS TOO LOUD FOR MY WIFE."
Til you get rid of the wife, I would not add more power!
that is a really nice feature
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I wouldn't call that "participation". Only 60 more crap posts to reach your goal...:rolleyes:
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Happy Thanksgiving! Do you have all of your individual channel levels maxed out? Try that and see. Also, you can play with xover settings to get that desired "fullness" you are looking for.
Maxing all levels will do the same as turning up the volume 6db's usually. You need a spl meter. to calibrate all channels. Room conditions size,speakers furniture rugs curtains walls all reflect or absorb sound. As well as the distance from your listening position from each individual speaker. The system needs to be properly calibrated not maxed out. Maxing them all out could cause the mains drown out the center or the surrounds louder than the mains depending on their location distance line of sight etc. Also even though your mains are large and can certainly handle the low hz. crossing over every channel at 80hz will make the surround experience more seamless, and take a huge load off of your receivers power supply allowing it of produce clearer more accurate sound.
BTW your tsi 300 would make great surrounds, same as the monitor50's im using.
there are free spl meter apps for your smart phone if you have one. Not near as accurate as the real thing but good enough to set your levels from pink noise.
When I run MCACC on my Pio, it always sets the speakers way too low. Really have to crank the volume to get desired sound. It's terrible, and although there are different variables involved in the auto calibration, maxing out the levels sounds best IMHO. One can always start from max and tweak down if need be. An SPL meter is fine, but sort of a waste of time with HT. Each movie is going to sound different.
How far back from the mains and center do you sit ?
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Calibration is essential if you want to experience the soundtrack the way it was recorded. I agree Mcacc and Audyssey Ypao usually does turn down the levels especially of the subwoofer. It is calibrating to 80db when at reference. When using a relative gain scale 0db is considered reference level. I typically listen at -15db to -20db. I think most people would agree listening at 0db is to loud. By maxing out all of your levels you are only changing what the volume level shows you on your display. When listening at reference level your receiver will show you -6db to -12db instead of 0db depending how much your receiver allows to turn up any given channel. All you are doing by maxing everything out is seeing an inaccurate representation on your display of how close to reference you are listening.
A underpowered speaker can sound bad. I took a pair of B&W CM5s home from work. I pumped 100w into each speaker and I thought they sounded like trash ( I was so upset because I really wanted a pair ) So I pumped each speaker up to 200w each and they sounded a millions times better. It was a night and day difference in sound.
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How did you know how much power you were pumping to them?
I NEVER turn my AVR up that high. I don't have to because I have my channels maxed out. I rarely put it past -30db because it gets uncomfortably loud. Isn't my amp running more efficiently this way?