Another Bites The Dust, Uh Huh

I feel that svs did this to them selfs. People hear about how great the sub is and they assume that it does not have its limits. Maybe they should design it so that it starts distorting more at higher hz so that people wont break them.:rolleyes: Its SVS not Superman. Ohh wait Superman got killed too.

Finest 12'' driver in the world *cough cough*.,,, couldnt outlast a **** M&K driver... haha This is absolutely hilarious....

Sean, if you knew even 1/2 the R&D and engineering that went into that driver......man that was a really low blow.

That driver surround ripped because it was repeatedly over-driven. The TV-12 has a peak to peak excursion of nearly 3" and a 10-layer underhung VC that can handle several thousand watts of power short term. Most people that wreck the TV-12 overdrive the suspension and one of three things happen - the VC smashes into the back plate, the spiders tear, or the suround rips.

The reason the M&K didn't break over all these years is because subs like that limit power to the driver and lop off the entire bottom octave. The TV-12 can probably move 4-5X the amount of air that single M&K driver can. That sub has genuine 15-16 Hz extension and the amount of air it can move is enormous. Because SVS doesn't pull any punches with the design, they expect the owner to be an integral part of safe and sensible operation.

SVS expects the owner to be the limiter in the equation. They don't have limiters in the amp, and they size the amp so it will drive the woofer to full capability IF the sub is properly calibrated and operated within its limits.

I already told Sid (referenced above) the warning signs when a woofer is being overdriven. Most can recognize early warning signs, but one incident of bottoming should be IT and it should never occur again. Consistently over driving the sub by overcalibration and too high of a Master Volume setting for that size room is simply user error - the only "joke" here is Sid's dad, not the PC-Ultra.

Other alternatives ... One that wasn't quite up to par slipped by QA ... It was treated rougher than normal in shipping ... who knows.

Sid this is just like every thing else on this forum it is only the opinion of individuals. This is just my personal opinion. No need to tell anyone to **** off, its just a word like any other word. I will edit my post and state that this is only my version of the story. The way that I see it. Share your opinions on the forum thats why it here. Cant care less what you think of me that is your right to feel the way you do, just like it is my right to feel the way I do.

Attack? If you feel that its an attack call the cops. LOL Silly you so silly

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

Club Polk keeps on slippin slippin

Only if "we" let it..

Sid,
I did and still do recomend the PB2+ or ultra as I'm sure Doc did the room size just justifies it. My room is 25x19x9 and opens by a 7ft archway into a 19x19x8.5 dining room and my PB2+ can easliy relocate the pictures and knicknacks on the walls and the 2nd story rumbles just as violantly and I have taken every step to insure that I haven't overdriven the sub. I have one time and one time only (by mistake) ran the test tones for the sub using the AVIA at referance (0) and the sub was set at 25-3 (1:00 sub gain, -0 reciever) before the test tone was complete (I could not handle the pressure) turned it off quickly realizing what happened, my eyes were phyiscaly shaking from it and I never heard somuch as a slap of the drivers during the episode while I'm sure it was straining the drivers it still never **** the bucket. I must commend SVS for replacing the driver but would recomend highly that an exchange be made for a PB2+ (better choice) or PB2 ultra (best choice). This is only my recomendation but your dad should get what he needs for it and SVS will be relieved from the constant warrenty issues by getting one that will put out the kinda bass he wants and I don't think he will notice any differance between the + or ultra.

Just my 2 cents

Dave

I hate it when trey deletes his post it makes the thread not make any sense.

Why is this thread even dragging on...Trey playing defense on his IMO, moron kin....essentially from his own admission....this is the same old tired story of why people should not own good gear. Didn't you mention this fact earlier Russman?

I met your father, and it looked, and sounded as though he was fairly knowledgeable of the audio community, at that time. I now think that he is as backwards as a catfish in open water, and I wish you luck in your genetics.

Every time I think you are moving forward, you take 2 steps back....just don't post this crap, and you won't get crap for it.

It is a waste of alphabet.

why dont u glue on the surround

Actually, he can try to repair the surround, but the damage to the driver may not be limited to just the surround.

The cone, spiders, and VC might also have suffered damage. If the VC has been deformed from striking the backplate multiple times, it may fail and that might also cause amp damage.

It's best to check with Tom V before they proceed with a simple glue job, and see what his opinion is. After all, he designed the driver.

Also, this type of thing isn't limited to SVS drivers, naturally. Several Adire Tumult (yes, the big bad Tumult) owners fragged their new $500 toy (mostly VC meltdowns) before they got smart too.