Another Bites The Dust, Uh Huh

VR3

Guess who can BLOW a PC Ultra in less than 2-3 Weeks?

HUH HUH?

MY DAD


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

gidrah

I stared at my screen for 5 minutes but still don't know what to say.

Dr. Spec

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15578&highlight=dad+destroy

You thought I was kidding in this thread. You thought I was way out in left field.

Pat your ****%&*!# father on the back for me - he just wrecked what is probably the finest 12" woofer in the world, to the tune of $600 replacement cost. WTG, DAD.

If it were me, I'd file that under "clear case of customer abuse" and ask him to PAY for the replacement driver. SVS (or any other company for that matter) isn't in the business of subsidizing chowderheads who can't figure out how to use the product safely and within its intended operating parameters. That's NOT what a warranty is for.

If you wreck it through stupidity, ignorance, or overzealousness; you should pay to fix it - period.

VR3

Oh, I agree with you entirely.

He thinks it is flawed, design flaw. Something wrong with it.

I cant argue otherwise.

Just pitiful.

Dr. Spec

it is flawed, design flaw. Something wrong with it

Yeah, with your old man's head.

Tell him to man up and buy another TV-12 himself.

VR3

Thats basically what he might have to do, but he said if he does he is going to just send it back.


I told him he needs a bigger sub, but alas...

dorokusai

Unbelievable...wait, nm I believe it. I hear some bottoming out in Sid's future....if blood means anything in that family anymore.

VR3

Hehe, you wish. You would love it if it did. But alas, its not. I dont play music near as loud as him and I have watched several low FR movies with no problems. All looks good to me. But, I am going to check it out when I get home as well.

I am running mine crossed at 70hz, ran a lil less than 12 oclock, ran by speaker wire connection.

Mark, You forget that I do actualy take care of my gear. How easily you sir forget. To bad, but only thing I have messed up that belongs to me was 14 years old. Yet remember what they wish to. So be it, I am still putting your request into effect, on here and the flame forum. So either way, I respect it, and you should to. Obviously you dont agree with me and who I am or my family. I have no problems with you, but hey. Its alright pal. Life goes on.

dorokusai

I'm not your pal, but I wish you luck in your audio quest. At least you give a shite, about your gear, that I commend you on. Rock on Trey, we don't have to agree, it doesn't matter.

Loud & Clear

How long before that blown TV-12 is on sale in the Flea Market?

Dr. Spec

Regarding the PC-Ultra. Just because it's an SVS and it has the TV-12 driver doesn't really give you the license (IMO) to abuse it.

Sure, it will play loud, clean, linear, and super deep. The xMax of the driver is very high (a bit more than 26 mm), and the sub will move a LOT of air. But the TV-12 driver can (and has) been bottomed by owner's just getting plain stupid and pushing it way past what is reasonable.

One guy over at AVS repeatedly bottomed his single Ultra (and eventually ruined it) on We Were Soldiers by running it 5-6 dB hot on calibration and playing his system at Reference Level. He's got dual Ultra's now and is happy as a clam, but that 's what it takes for some people who want/need clean, uncompressed, 120+ dB bass peaks in large rooms.

So if the room is large, make sure you properly calibrate the sub with Avia (or at a minimum internal AVR test tones), and crank up some bassy HT or music at loud (but not stupid) levels and just ENJOY the sub.

You will know when the sub is approaching it's clean limits when the suspension of the woofer starts limiting the excursion and it simply won't play any louder, even as you continue to increase the Master Volume.

This is a huge warning sign you are exceeding the xMax and fast approaching xMag where you will bottom the woofer and possibly damage the voice coil.

Just some friendly advice to keep you from fragging an $1,100 sub on day one. With that said, I think you will be VERY impressed with what even a single Ultra can accomplish in a large room. Just don't get stupid with it, that's all.

Probably took me 10 minutes to type this advice. Results like this make me wonder if it's even worth my time. His father probably didn't even read it. It's like I'm talking to a friggin' wall with some people.

Just tryin' to help keep you from fragging a $1200 sub, but nooooooo.......Dr. Spec's full of ****, he's overexaggerating, he just likes to see himself in print, blah blah, blah. You're next Sid - I give you 3 months before you smoke the ISD. That is all.

VR3

You got a PM.

kberg

6 Franklin's for an error in judgement like that? Ick.

Frank Z

Hmmm, Is it possible that it wasn't damaged by abuse? Maybe it was just luck of the draw. Sometimes even new stuff can fail.

Loud & Clear

Originally posted by Frank Z
Hmmm, Is it possible that it wasn't damaged by abuse? Maybe it was just luck of the draw. Sometimes even new stuff can fail.

Sure, that's possible, but if one's been following Sid's dad's foray into the world of kicking the crap out of excellent gear, one is justifiably suspicious. He breaks things, nice things, with zeal and remarkable ease. It wouldn't be so bad, because it's his stuff and so who cares, but it appears he's trying to claim warranty to compensate for his disregard, and that's irritating. I wish Sid wouldn't continue to mention his pop's consumer tackiness.

VR3

Well heres the fact...

The thing didnt perform well out of the box. It didnt handle low frequency well even when turned down on movies, it was actually dissapointing at most times. It very well could be defective, we are going to pull it out in the next bit. Will post blurry pics.

VR3

YALL AINT GONNA BELIEVE THIS...@_@

THE SURROUND IS DISLOCATED....wasnt even GLUED??? or not enough glue??? WTF??

Voice coil is perfect...

VR3

Here it is...

VR3

Here is the shot of the M&K woof with the SVS woof

VR3

Here is another shot...

VR3

and another......

danger boy

how do you toast a SVS subwoofer? errr nevermind. i DON"T EVEN want to know. it'll probably bring tears to my eyes. how dang loud can someone listen to a well built sub to toast it?

maybe i'm just not a basshead or something. but i've pushed my 20-39pci before.. but my ears bleed from the pressure before it would ever blow. the sound pressure alone in the room keeps me from turning it up any more.

that's a real shame.. he should be made to listen to nothing but Bose and RS gear for the next 10 yrs.

VR3

He didnt toast it.

The thing works fine with the surround in place. The voice coil dosnt rub, the spider is good. The surround is dislocated.

Dr. Spec

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
Well heres the fact...

The thing didnt perform well out of the box. It didnt handle low frequency well even when turned down on movies, it was actually dissapointing at most times. It very well could be defective, we are going to pull it out in the next bit.

Oh really? See choice quotes below. Sure sounds like back peddling to me. Care to eat crow now or later? Your father ABUSED the subwoofer, he TORE the surround. It was working perfectly when it left the factory, trust me. CASE CLOSED.

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QUOTE:

"It takes getting used to what you're hearing, but the bass is adnormally accurate, quick, forceful, and full. It totally controls the entire den at my Dad's house. My Dad's den opens up to a hallway, the kitchen, and 2 dining rooms. It controls every bit of that room with clean, accurate bass. I havn't heard a thing like it! Totally awesome. Can't wait to get me a SVS..."

QUOTE:

"The SVS is like wearing M&K's as headphones and blaring them. The clean impact is amazing from what I heard."

QUOTE:

"He basically is saying he could probally match the SVS's output, cleanness, low end with about 20-30 of his subs. He is seriously pleased, and will be a die-hard SVS customer for a long time I am sure. PS: My Dad is now a SVS worshiper, forget fan....

If you could just see the mile wide smile we had listening to music with that thing........

Everyone out there for a sub, ALL THE HYPE you hear about THESE subs, are NOT hype, it is fact. The TRASH SVS talks is because they CAN talk the trash because they're not lieing to you."

QUOTE:

"It slams.....literally, we could probally set it 10 foot in the air with no floor underneath it and it would still slam.....sheez, a POWERHOUSE"

Loud & Clear

VR3

Doc,
I dont post everything that goes on around here - believe that or not.

In Daredevil like in the bar scene, even at -11 off of Reference level the thing made a SHARP sound during that scene. And other scenes through out the movie.

I just expect a sub like this to handle it.

But really, when looking at the surround there just isnt alot of glue on there from what I can tell.

My Dad very well could have blown it out of the surround. I just havnt ever seen it happen. It just couldnt handle LOW FR in movies. Even with the subsonic filter on 25hz. It makes no sense to me.

Back-Peddling? Yeah, I guess so. It sucks to see it die like it did. But the surround can be glued back on, nothing else about it has been disturbed.

But as we were saying last night in the chatroom, he outta be the one testing speakers. If it can outlast him for 1 month - its perfect.

I know my Dad can blow speakers, I sit here and watch him do it all the time. It is nothing new, he blew so many Advent woofers back in his day that they mailed him and said his life time warranty is void.

Dr. Spec

Daredevil DTS has a shitload of infrasonics that most subs completely ignore. It's a VERY difficult DVD for sub tuned to 20 Hz.

I strongly recommend a PB2+ for your Dad, with the tune switch welded at the 25 hz position. That sub really IS almost indestructible in the 25 Hz tune with all ports open.

I would call SVS tech support instead of yanking the driver and doing a self analysis. It may very well have internal damage you can't see, especially if you bottomed it out.

VR3

I have wrote Ron several emails, and sent him alot of pictures. He is sending out a replacement driver. If it still bottums out I am going to email him again.

You got a PM doc. My Dad needs a B4...

two of them, one on both sides. He is a pure bass head. Hands down.

VR3

But isnt it strange the surround came unglued?

I mean even it was played beyong its limits? I dont understand why it would come unglued before the voice coil blows?

I mean the voice is smooth as butter.

VR3

Yeah, kinda strange.

M&K lasted 14 years through...him.

But then again, for 13 of those years he had two of em.

VR3

I tell ya what, that woofer weighs about as much as my subwoofer. It weighs 35 pounds. That is the BIGGEST woofer I have ever seen in my life.

Sean, that is what I am talking about. I've never heard of it.