Four Dollar Wire

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited August 2011
    Oh man....thats not real pizza. I don't know what you call it but pizza is a big stretch.
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited August 2011
    I like cheese.
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  • trans am
    trans am Posts: 91
    edited August 2011
    tonyb wrote: »
    4 dollar wire....5 dollar foot long....the worlds gone nuts I tell ya.

    this made me laugh out loud. Tony I need real cables to replace those cables4less. crap I started with. I was going to go with the Signal cable shown here for all my rca i/o.
    http://signalcable.com/analogtwo.html

    and these for all the speakers.
    http://signalcable.com/ultraspeaker.html

    how does that B stock MIT cable compare? Should I get what I can take advantage of in the B stock MIT deal and get everything else from signalcable?

    I didnt realize the cable was so important. but after a lot of reading it sounds like the biggest change in sound for the least amount of money relatively speaking. In computer hardware we call it a bottleneck. You can have some amazing SSD drives and run them off the internal raid chip of the mother board but get a high end raid card and run them in raid 0 and you have a huge improvement in speed. sorry to crap the thread I am also in the same shoes. and I think there is a lot to be gained here.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited August 2011
    Just go with Signal Cable for now as it has a money back offer, and MIT doesn't. I think you need to step into bigger MIT shoes and the Shotgun series in particular. The Signal choices are perfect for a starter and when you feel like getting deeper, then check out MIT and it's cables. You may find no need to change, who knows but at least you'll have some kick **** cables as a baseline.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited August 2011
    Signal cable is a good choice to start with. The general idea is as your gear gets better, so should the cables.
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    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited August 2011
    I've used Signal Cable speaker cables and IC's, and while I preferred MIT AVT-3 speaker cables to the Signal Cable Ultra, that's a more expensive model than the EXP-2 in question, which I haven't heard. The Signals look better...:rolleyes:
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited August 2011
    that has nothing to do with this thread at all does it?
    Home theater:
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    Marantz UD-7007 Player
    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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  • cristo
    cristo Posts: 231
    edited August 2011
    I'll venture to say that if you looked at recording studios, the wires from mics and instruments
    and the interconnects from mixer to recorder to master and the power cords to them are usually durable,
    sturdy and adequate, but not what cable afficianados would deem as high end audiophile cables. . .
    and the music you hear went through them before it came out of your cartridge, cd player
    or tape deck on to your preamp and amp and then to your speakers.
    So, is the point of high end cables to try to reclaim and preserve the magic that has already been lost?
    cristo

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2011
    cristo wrote: »
    I'll venture to say that if you looked at recording studios, the wires from mics and instruments
    and the interconnects from mixer to recorder to master and the power cords to them are usually durable,
    sturdy and adequate, but not what cable afficianados would deem as high end audiophile cables. . .     and the music you hear went through them before it came out of your cartridge, cd player
    or tape deck on to your preamp and amp and then to your speakers.
    So, is the point of high end cables to try to reclaim and preserve the magic that has already been lost?
    Great post!
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited August 2011
    cristo wrote: »
    I'll venture to say that if you looked at recording studios, the wires from mics and instruments
    and the interconnects from mixer to recorder to master and the power cords to them are usually durable,
    sturdy and adequate, but not what cable afficianados would deem as high end audiophile cables. . .
    and the music you hear went through them before it came out of your cartridge, cd player
    or tape deck on to your preamp and amp and then to your speakers.
    So, is the point of high end cables to try to reclaim and preserve the magic that has already been lost?

    I would say that it is to claim the integrity of the music that is on whatever format you are listening to. Of course, you cannot reclaim what was not there. But, you can claim what is there.:smile:

    Greg
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2011
    headrott wrote: »
    I would say that it is to claim the integrity of the music that is on whatever format you are listening to. Of course, you cannot reclaim what was not there. But, you can claim what is there.:smile:

    Greg
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,674
    edited August 2011
    cristo wrote: »
    I'll venture to say that if you looked at recording studios, the wires from mics and instruments
    and the interconnects from mixer to recorder to master and the power cords to them are usually durable,
    sturdy and adequate, but not what cable afficianados would deem as high end audiophile cables. . .
    and the music you hear went through them before it came out of your cartridge, cd player
    or tape deck on to your preamp and amp and then to your speakers.
    So, is the point of high end cables to try to reclaim and preserve the magic that has already been lost?

    I'd say you and TK haven't done your homework. There's a lot of studios these days using high end cabling. That said and to answer your question. The reason for using high end cabling in a home rig is simple. It sounds mo' better. I suggest you try some for yourself and hear what hasn't been lost from the studio.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited August 2011
    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    Re-read post and answer the question again!

    Done. I still give the same answer.

    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited August 2011
    so um they use cable in a coach purse. Man my gf's going to be pissed!
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited August 2011
    haha! I read that in the email cstmar lol
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    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,313
    edited September 2011
    rebuy wrote: »
    I only had to make 2, 10ft runs, Even though I did want larger gauge wire I was thinking New wire from the "True Value" hardware store would be ok since it is 16 gauge.
    Remember I am in a very small town and choices are limited. Who would have thought that new wire was corroded on the spool?

    I posted this experience to warn others about shopping for wires.

    True Value is not an audio store.
    Dan
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited September 2011
    Internet....does wonders for those in small towns.
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    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited September 2011
    If you want to crap out your system...why not go for 1 dollar wiring. That's right. Visit your local dollar store--buy a 9 or 15 foot extension cord made of 'who knows what Chinese materials--but I can guarantee you that it's not all copper--for one dollar--cut off your ends and wallah--you have One Dollar wire or two for Two Dollars! lol

    As for me, I'll stick to some quality copper at the very least.

    Have fun!

    cnh
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited September 2011
    You guys know you can't get good wire until you hit at least 6.50.:tongue:
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Sonos zp90
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    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited September 2011
    that's classic Tony lol
    Home theater:
    43” Westinghouse Displayer
    Marantz UD-7007 Player
    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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  • rebuy
    rebuy Posts: 695
    edited September 2011
    OK, so I went to true value and bought speaker wire.....:eek:

    Here's a few pics. ENJOY :cool:
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,980
    edited September 2011
    rebuy wrote: »
    OK, so I went to true value and bought speaker wire.....:eek:

    Here's a few pics. ENJOY :cool:

    Shoulda spent more than $4 for your camera, lol :biggrin:
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited September 2011
    ken brydson wrote: »
    Shoulda spent more than $4 for your camera, lol :biggrin:

    ZING!:biggrin:

    but yea, not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at...
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  • rebuy
    rebuy Posts: 695
    edited September 2011
    In the first 2 pics you can see the green tint on the jacket after stripping the wire.
    You'll also notice the wire is not bright and shiny but black from the corrosion inside the jacket. and the third pic just shows the color of the jackets as I bought them.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited September 2011
    rebuy wrote: »
    OK, so I went to true value and bought speaker wire.....:eek:

    Here's a few pics. ENJOY :cool:

    Unfortunately, I think the clarity of the audio you will get out of that speaker wire will be about as good as the clarity in the photos.:eek:

    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited September 2011
    Nice pics, you must a professional? hahahahaha! I can see green tint for real
    Home theater:
    43” Westinghouse Displayer
    Marantz UD-7007 Player
    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited September 2011
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    Home theater:
    43” Westinghouse Displayer
    Marantz UD-7007 Player
    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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  • Mr. Sharpe
    Mr. Sharpe Posts: 1,359
    edited September 2011
    bosallod wrote: »
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    Home theater:
    43” Westinghouse Displayer
    Marantz UD-7007 Player
    Emotiva MC-700 Processor
    Adcom GFA-5006 Amplifier
    Parasound Zamp Amplifier
    Ethereal ESO-1 Power Conditioner
    Klipsch RC-10 Center
    Klipsch R34c Fronts
    Klipsch RB-41 Surrounds
    Polk audio PSW-505

    Stereo:
    Polk audio RTA-12c’s fully upgraded crossovers
    DIY 12tc braided speaker cables
    Denon DVD-5910ci Spinner
    Parasound P6 Preamplifer
    Parasound HCA -1500a Amplifier
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