Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH question.....

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  • 27dnast
    27dnast Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    Could you Elite VSX 21THX owners go to the "Balancing Speakers" thread in the Speakers section of the forum and give it a read through?

    One of you might be able to help us out and give us some insight...

    Thanks!
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  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited June 2011
    To default look on page 72 of your manual or see below. The manual can be downloaded from Pioneer if needed.

    What I want to know is if anyone else has problems with audio and video drop out when playing a Bluray (Panasonic). Already had the firmware updated and the AVR checked out at the service center.

    27dnast as for balancing your speakers, I suggest you go to Radio Shack and buy a sound level (dB) meter and use it to set all speakers to the same level manually. You can then adjust from there as needed.


    Resetting the system
    Use this procedure to reset all the receiver’s settings to the factory default. Use the front panel controls to do this.
    Set MULTI-ZONE to OFF.
    • Disconnect the iPod and USB memory device from the receiver beforehand.
    1 Switch the receiver into standby.
    2 While holding down ENTER on the front panel, press  STANDBY/ON.
    The display shows RESET  NO .
    3 Select ‘RESET’ using PRESET +/–, then press ENTER on the front panel.
    The display shows RESET? OK.
    4 Press ENTER to confirm.
    OK appears in the display to indicate that the receiver has been reset to the factory default settings.
    • Note that all settings will be saved, even if the receiver is unplugged.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited June 2011
    No drop outs on mine at all. BDP hooked up by hdmi.

    Balance your speakers by adjusting them in speaker levels. You can do it by your golden ears,or get an spl meter.
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  • shawn474
    shawn474 Posts: 3,052
    edited June 2011
    No drop outs from mine either. However when I returned home from a week vacation, the poser had gone out. I turned on the television and there was no signal to it. I troubleshot and found that the HDMI cable that I purchased from monoprice is now defective. They are sending a new one, but it was weird that the cable went bad after only a couple weeks of use. I wonder if the power outage had anything to do with it or if the AVR was damaged at all. I replaced the cable and all seems good now.
    Shawn
    AVR: Marantz SR-5011
    Center Channel: Polk LsiM706c
    Front: Polk LsiM703
    Rear: LSI fx
    Subwoofer: SVS 20-39pci
    Television: Samsung UN58NU7100FXZA
    DVD Player: Sony PS4
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  • 27dnast
    27dnast Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    MADGSF wrote: »

    27dnast as for balancing your speakers, I suggest you go to Radio Shack and buy a sound level (dB) meter and use it to set all speakers to the same level manually. You can then adjust from there as needed.

    This is better than relying on the MCACC?
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  • shawn474
    shawn474 Posts: 3,052
    edited June 2011
    27dnast wrote: »
    This is better than relying on the MCACC?

    Yes, IMHO.
    Shawn
    AVR: Marantz SR-5011
    Center Channel: Polk LsiM706c
    Front: Polk LsiM703
    Rear: LSI fx
    Subwoofer: SVS 20-39pci
    Television: Samsung UN58NU7100FXZA
    DVD Player: Sony PS4
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  • Almadacr
    Almadacr Posts: 185
    edited June 2011
    shawn474 wrote: »
    Yes, IMHO.

    Its more accurate :biggrin:
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  • 27dnast
    27dnast Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    I'm frustrated. Prior to running the full auto mcacc, I go into the manual mode and setting the speakers to small and x-over to 80hz. Then, I go to full auto mcacc. Run it. It sets Ll of my speakers to large!

    At this point, do I go back in the manual setup and change the speakers back to small??? I don't get it...
    Help?
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2011
    You don't have to rely on the MCACC at all. On my SC-37, it has set my xover at some odd (atleast imo) places with the various systems I've hooked up to it. I let it calculate all of my distances for me, but that, group delay, and standing-waves are pretty much the only featuress I let it handle. Otherwise, I set my crossover to 100Hz since that's what sounds best with my system, and set all of my speakers to small, despite some of them being able to dig low enough for status as a large. For my channel levels, I started with the MCACC points, but still went back through with a tripod and my RadioShack SPL meter (cat. 33-2055).

    Again, you don't have to rely on MCACC for anything. It sets some "ideal" values, but it's all up to your taste.

    And Trey, what's wrong with Auto Surround? When I had my 7.1 LSi setup, I left it on Auto Surround and it was perfect for switching to every single surround mode presented, be-it DTS, DD, PCM, etc.
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  • 27dnast
    27dnast Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    Almadacr wrote: »
    Its more accurate :biggrin:

    Just out of curiosity, I'm assuming that your statement is based on experience... how far off were the settings after you ran MCACC and then checked the results with a sound meter???

    If it's radically off... then I could see justifying going that route...

    Any data?
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited June 2011
    head up my **** edit
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • WastelandWand'r
    WastelandWand'r Posts: 466
    edited June 2011
    This thread pointed me in the right direction. I was constantly getting 'PCM' on the display while watching BLURAYS. I had attempted to read the owners manual several times but something was lost in the translation.
    Thanks for the info.
    Nathan
    Home Rig

    SDA 2.3TL's front and center
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    Pioneer Elite SC35 Receiver (Pre/Surround
    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5X200-Back in the mix.
    OPPO BDP-93
    Squeezebox
    Stepped up to name brand Speaker Cables and interconnects!
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  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited June 2011
    As far as getting PCM in the display I have to set my BDP to bitstream for the display to show the format used on the blueray, for instance "DTS-HD". For the most part I just let MCACC setup my distances and levels. I change the xover to 50Hz and the sub to plus as that is what sounds best in my room.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
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  • Almadacr
    Almadacr Posts: 185
    edited June 2011
    27dnast wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, I'm assuming that your statement is based on experience... how far off were the settings after you ran MCACC and then checked the results with a sound meter???

    If it's radically off... then I could see justifying going that route...

    Any data?

    At my seating position where my head is , installed in a tripod toward the front of the room at an angle of about 45 degrees in the direction of the ceiling .

    If you have a friend with a SPL you should do it , or for you can buy one !! SPL stands for Sound pressure Level meter .
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited June 2011
    Almadacr wrote: »
    Its more accurate :biggrin:
    27dnast wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, I'm assuming that your statement is based on experience... how far off were the settings after you ran MCACC and then checked the results with a sound meter???

    If it's radically off... then I could see justifying going that route...

    Any data?
    Almadacr wrote: »
    At my seating position where my head is , installed in a tripod toward the front of the room at an angle of about 45 degrees in the direction of the ceiling .

    If you have a friend with a SPL you should do it , or for you can buy one !! SPL stands for Sound pressure Level meter .

    Is it just me, or did this response not answer the question :confused:
    I think he basically asked "how far off were the MCACC SPL levels in relation to your manual levels using the SPL meter"

    Now if he had asked, "how did you position your SPL meter" this response might make more sense :smile:
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • Almadacr
    Almadacr Posts: 185
    edited June 2011
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    Is it just me, or did this response not answer the question :confused:
    I think he basically asked "how far off were the MCACC SPL levels in relation to your manual levels using the SPL meter"

    Now if he had asked, "how did you position your SPL meter" this response might make more sense :smile:

    You are absolutely right :redface: the readings were of by a average of 9 db on the fronts , since the my left side is a wide open area the most accurate were the back surrounds with a diference of 1db and the center being the CS1 i raised more 2db than the rest of the speakers . My reference level was 85db but i set it for 90 being the center at 92db .
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