Are MIT Cables all that?

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2011
    I've been making my own out of Neotech 23-24ga solid core(Cu or Ag) cable and Vampire XLR connectors for between my W4S components. Not the easiest to work with, but I've been very pleased with the results.
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  • NotaSuv
    NotaSuv Posts: 3,871
    edited February 2011
    Face wrote: »
    You wouldn't want MIT I/C's between your source and W4S integrated due to redundant impedance correction networks/buffers.

    Thanks Face..all I knew is my ears didnt like what they heard :)
    just didint know why..............
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011
    NotaSuv wrote: »
    Thanks Face..all I knew is my ears didnt like what they heard :)
    just didint know why..............

    I am curious as to what you where hearing with the MITs, I did some experimenting with non-MIT cables in my Wyred gear and I still perferred the MITs. It could just be personal preference, but I am not hearing anything that would make me think something is was wrong with the MITs and Wyred gear. Could also be that different Wyred amps/pre-amps behave differently.
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  • NotaSuv
    NotaSuv Posts: 3,871
    edited February 2011
    Polkitup2 wrote: »
    I am curious as to what you where hearing with the MITs, I did some experimenting with non-MIT cables in my Wyred gear and I still perferred the MITs. It could just be personal preference, but I am not hearing anything that would make me think something is was wrong with the MITs and Wyred gear. Could also be that different Wyred amps/pre-amps behave differently.

    just sounded off...not as much detailed as I had before using changing over to the W4S...its just wasnt clean and crisp...a bit muddy......switching to the Audio Art TOTL ICs and speaker cables made a HUGE difference...I actually bought my W4S int amp from Bob the owner of Audio Art and he had many talks with W4S about what would work best with their equipment, do not know if he tweaked his cables as results of those talks but whatever they sound fantastic and there was a instant synergy between all............
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,225
    edited February 2011
    NotaSuv wrote: »
    just sounded off...not as much detailed as I had before using changing over to the W4S...its just wasnt clean and crisp...a bit muddy......switching to the Audio Art TOTL ICs and speaker cables made a HUGE difference...I actually bought my W4S int amp from Bob the owner of Audio Art and he had many talks with W4S about what would work best with their equipment, do not know if he tweaked his cables as results of those talks but whatever they sound fantastic and there was a instant synergy between all............

    Very interesting that you say that. That's the same experience I had with my MIT S2's. It was as if the life had been sucked out of my system...don't ask me why either but they just didn't jel at all. I guess this synergy thing is all it's cracked up to be after all.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011
    The Audioquest cables I reverted to did have a crisper sound, while the MITs semed to have a fuller sound. One of the reasons I liked MITs better than Audioquest originally was that the MITs seemed to tame some of the shrillness on highs that bothered me with the Audioquest. I may have to give the Audio Arts a try. It was weird that on some CDs I thought the MITs were less dynamic than the Audioquest, but on others the MITs were more dynamic than the Audioquest. Strange hobby.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2011
    FYI, I'm still using MIT speaker cables with my W4S gear, no issues there.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011
    Good to hear, I was wondering about the MIT speaker cables as well. Thanks.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited January 2012
    Does anyone know if the Bel Canto amps would have the same impedance issue with MIT cables as the Wyred amps? I 'm quessing they would since they are similar technology, but am not sure if there are implementation differences.
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  • timalan
    timalan Posts: 106
    edited January 2012
    For anyone who is looking, I noticed someone locally (DC craigslist) selling off several different MIT cables... so if you're looking for some, it might be a good source.

    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    In the end, physics always wins, and the incredible irony with MIT cables in particular is that their claimed efficacy is the kind of idea that would happily be debunked by any M.I.T. engineering grad. ;)
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited January 2012
    timalan wrote: »
    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    So you're a scientist?
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2012
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2012
    timalan wrote: »
    For anyone who is looking, I noticed someone locally (DC craigslist) selling off several different MIT cables... so if you're looking for some, it might be a good source.

    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    In the end, physics always wins, and the incredible irony with MIT cables in particular is that their claimed efficacy is the kind of idea that would happily be debunked by any M.I.T. engineering grad. ;)
    Impedance correcting networks don't make sense to you? Maybe you should hand back that diploma.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited January 2012
    timalan wrote: »
    For anyone who is looking, I noticed someone locally (DC craigslist) selling off several different MIT cables... so if you're looking for some, it might be a good source.

    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    In the end, physics always wins, and the incredible irony with MIT cables in particular is that their claimed efficacy is the kind of idea that would happily be debunked by any M.I.T. engineering grad. ;)

    Typical, "I haven't tried them, but they can't be any good because they cost too much, It's snake oil" comment.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2012
    Face wrote: »
    Impedance correcting networks don't make sense to you? Maybe you should hand back that diploma.

    LOL. He would never even be accepted into college, not even an on-line university.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2012
    anonymouse wrote: »
    In the old days, they had graphic equalizers. Now, they have cables with built in equalization and high price tags.

    Even better, at a lower price, is ZiTron.

    http://www.shunyata.com/Content/products-ZiTronTech.html
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited January 2012
    anonymouse wrote: »
    In the old days, they had graphic equalizers. Now, they have cables with built in equalization and high price tags.

    Hardly the same, in fact couldn't be farther from comparing apples to apples. I think many times the people that rally hardest against expensive cables are those that can't afford them. The MIT's transformed my rig and I'm a pretty tight **** when it comes to paying for things that are useless.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,675
    edited January 2012
    timalan wrote: »
    For anyone who is looking, I noticed someone locally (DC craigslist) selling off several different MIT cables... so if you're looking for some, it might be a good source.

    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    In the end, physics always wins, and the incredible irony with MIT cables in particular is that their claimed efficacy is the kind of idea that would happily be debunked by any M.I.T. engineering grad. ;)

    Epic FAIL!!!
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2012
    And then some Jesse.

    Wait until you try and tell a naysayer USB cables sound different.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,675
    edited January 2012
    It's not equalization, it's timing.
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  • Glowrdr
    Glowrdr Posts: 1,103
    edited January 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I think many times the people that rally hardest against expensive cables are those that can't afford them.
    H9

    I feel that cables that cost $18 sound the best. Anyone that wants to prove me wrong either needs to wait for payday, or karma me some nice ones :redface:
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited January 2012
    timalan wrote: »
    For anyone who is looking, I noticed someone locally (DC craigslist) selling off several different MIT cables... so if you're looking for some, it might be a good source.

    Personally, I've never heard MIT cables, and from my understanding of the science, I can't imagine that they make any difference. I'm in the camp that thinks high-end cables aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    In the end, physics always wins, and the incredible irony with MIT cables in particular is that their claimed efficacy is the kind of idea that would happily be debunked by any M.I.T. engineering grad. ;)

    In the end, the way the music sounds is what wins. If you aren't listening though, you cannot play or win and shouldn't comment. Get back to us after listening to some MIT cables, then comment with real experience behind your motive.

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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited January 2012
    It does appear that the Bel Canto amp I was looking at (ref500m) does use use a custom input stage that increases the input impedance. The MITs may have the same issue with the Bel Canto as myself and other members reported with the Wyred amps.
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  • acmf74
    acmf74 Posts: 937
    edited January 2012
    After using MIT the separation was much better AND now I'm hearing more background instruments more prevalent. In some cases I'm hearing background instruments for the first time on a familiar CD.

    So yes MIT are all that and a bag of chips.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited January 2012
    anonymouse wrote: »
    Strangely enough, I just got some MIT cables from the ongoing sale. Not the highest end ones admittedly (AVT1's), and they are still in my rig. I do like them, but make no mistake - these are equalizers. They sounds great, all I am saying is these are not straight cables - they have active equalization technology in them.

    If you are assuming that I am not endorsing them, cool down. But there are cheaper ways to equalize a system. This being said, I am keeping the cables I bought.

    That's cool you tried them and have formed an opinion. Didn't mean to get upset. It's not equalization it's a timing, phase thing. Not even close to what one typically thinks is an equalizer function.

    Enjoy

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,982
    edited January 2012
    Love my MIT's:smile:
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited January 2012
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    Love my MIT's..

    Me too.The best upgrade i have made to open up the SDA's for their true potential.IMHO
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