The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB

digitalvideo · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

Alright, i'm sick of you not understanding my point. Ready for it? Here it comes:

If you go back and read my posts, not once have i defended cable companies. Not once have i even been so far to say that cables make a difference. If you could be bothered to read what i've posted, you would see that.

What i have problem with is people like you who suddenly decide that they're here under the "science god's" will and you're on a divine quest to "save" us all from the big bad cable companies. Guess what? We don't care. We're in this hobby for us. Who cares if it's placebo effect that elevates our enjoyment, or our minds tricking us into thinking that our shiny new cables HAVE to make our systems sound better because well... it COSTS MORE. It MUST be better!

Who exactly are you to attempt to take away our enjoyment in a HOBBY of all things? What about our enjoyment insults you so personally that you have to come around and spew your crap at us all and even in your own words, dish out "mockery" to those who are "stupid" enough to believe they hear a difference?

Placebo effect, corporate brainwashing, mind tricks, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's not your problem, it has no bearing on you what others' may experience. If you don't experience those things, that's fine. Save your money. Vote against those companies with your wallet. Just stop trying to "convert" people over to your "religion" and holy crusade against the evil cable companies. Nobody cares. Those that believe don't care what you have to say, and those that don't are already "on your side" to begin with.

If you notice, those that "believe" don't cram their beliefs down everyone's throats. The standard response to cable questions is "Try and see if you like it." You would do well to give the same responses.

Do you understand now? Quite obviously, i don't need counterpoints, because I HAVEN'T MADE ANY CLAIMS. Yeeeeeeesssshhh. Years of education to come down to this. :rolleyes:

I anxiously await yet another post from you asking me to back up the claims that i haven't made at any point in this thread. In the meantime, i'll be LISTENING to my gear instead of READING about it. :rolleyes: Listening "extortion-free," i might add. Every piece of my gear was purchased used.

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Ken, i saw that you edited my post above. Sorry about that. :redface:

You still are making a fool out of yourself, your entire post consists of another emotional reactionist defensive way to try to defend getting scammed, it's a desperate attempt to try to convince yourself and your little chat gang here that you're not wanting to man up and admit your got suckered by marketers.

Now, I never once said you can't buy what you want, I don't care where you spend your money, it's your right, but I have the right to sit back and laugh and throw in my 2 cents and the other ones on here who spend outrageous amounts of money on a wire for some obsessive compulsive mental disorder and how a marketer created a nice ad to make you believe you can hear a difference. But I back up everything I say with credible sources in the links I provided above.

I will continue to post my opinions here, you can take it like a man and except that fact, you have every right to ignore me, to respond to me, to put me on block/ignore. I have every right to be here.

Now what will your emotional stomp your feet reaction be this time?

concealer404 · January 2011

You still are making a fool out of yourself, your entire post consists of another emotional reactionist defensive way to try to defend getting scammed, it's a desperate attempt to try to convince yourself and your little chat gang here that you're not wanting to man up and admit your got suckered by marketers.

^^You didn't read again. But in the meantime you'll mock those who are.... enjoying the same hobby as you? Forgive me, but that doesn't exactly make much logical sense.

Here's my emotional foot stomping:

digitalvideo · January 2011

headrott wrote: »

I am not trying to take sides between you and DK, but I believe DK's logic is very sound when comparing clothing to cables. DK is simply saying that the quality of clothing you require depends on its application, just as the quality of cable you use depends on its application. Pretty straight forward.

Thank you for responding in a mature manner, I respect your opinion on this. I have to respectfully disagree on the analogy or comparison of why people wear clothes at a certain price point to cables. Here's why, clothes are meant to be worn whether in public or in home, but they are still extremely extremely visible and more visible than any wires are. The world judges people by their clothes and appearance, not by wires. If you or Dark Knight's logic is that a more expensive priced and "prettier" looking cable is suppose to be used in a higher end home theater to compliment the more expensive equipment I think that's ridiculous as today with flat screen tv's that are wallmounted and wires are more hidden today than ever before the point of buying a wire that has a prettier outter jacket is just to the extreme and most people don't want to see visible wires in a home theater, they want them hidden. But it's your right to buy whatever you want. I will say that these wires are pretty much made in the same factories in China and south east Asia that cheaper ones are. Like I said, please read about Copartner and their wire factories.

headrott wrote:

I do not believe any evidence will be satisfactory for you as far as "proving" to you that an HDMI cable will make a difference in the picture/sound quality from your gear. I believe you need to prove that to yourself. Or don't. I have personally seen an HDMI cable produce much mor vibrant colors (as one example) than another HDMI cable I was using. The only change that was made was the cable. All other gear remaind the same. The length of the HDMI cable was the same. The only variable was the cable. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove that to you. Please see above about "proving" things.

Greg

Ok, if you saw something then I won't question if you saw something with your own eyes. If you are confident that you saw something then are you confident enough to post the name of the HDMI cable or cables and their price that you said you saw a difference in the PQ and the HDMI cables that you did not? Maybe you can convince me as I will either purchase this wire or wires or borrow one from a friend if he has one and see if I can notice a difference on my Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro plasma.

But let's say you could see a difference, was it worth the price to notice a "tiny" difference? If there was a HDMI cable that dramtically improved the PQ then it would be all over the internet and spread like wild fire and have Sound&Vision, AVSForum.com, cnet.com and so forth also saying this.

inspiredsports · January 2011

Glowrdr wrote: »

While I agree with your statement somewhat - $2200 shoes are not for "protecting your feet" - that's what a $12 pair of velcro shoes from Wally World are for.

Hmmm . . . I'm not sure we want to compare our audio experience with footwear, but maybe . . . standing atop a 14,000+ foot above sea level mountain is a fairly esoteric thing.

I get a great deal of satisfaction backpacking in the Rockies in southwestern Colorado and have been blessed to have summited, on foot, about 2 dozen of the states 53 venerable Fourteeners. Plus Halealala, Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea and Pu' u' O' o in our 50th state and a few peaks in the Wind Rivers in Wyoming and Mount Whitney and a few minor peaks in Yosemite in California, Some peaks in the Henry's and La Salles in Utah, there are more, you get the picture.

45 years ago I purchased a pair of Chippewa hiking boots when I was 19 that I still wear today. They are in amazing (nearly new) condition. I've probably summited 30 peaks (11 or 12 or them fourteeners) in those boots, will wear them until I die, and pass them on to my son.

Somewhere in the 80's, I switched to lighter Vasque mountaineering boots for my hiking/summiting and the old boots were relegated to heavy yardwork and snow shovelling. The Vasques have helped me to the top of perhaps 40 peaks in total, about 12 of them fourteeners. The Vasques are amazing, still in near perfect shape (polished and spit-shined), and I'm not sure I would do it, but could probably wear them to church (business casual in Dockers) without many eveing noticing they are mountaineering boots! I'll pass these on to my son too.

I'm pretty sure 40 years from now, both pairs of my hiking boots, my tube amp and preamp, and all of my various speaker cables and IC's will be in my then-mid-fifties aged son's possession, and performing admirably.

Meanwhile, 100+ (probably $2,500 allowing for 4 decades of inflation) pairs of whatever crap you suggested would have you hobbled and lame.

But nice try.

digitalvideo · January 2011

inspiredsports wrote: »

Hmmm . . . I'm not sure we want to compare our audio experience with footwear, but maybe . . . standing atop a 14,000+ foot above sea level mountain is a fairly esoteric thing.

I get a great deal of satisfaction backpacking in the Rockies in southwestern Colorado and have been blessed to have summited, on foot, about 2 dozen of the states 53 venerable Fourteeners. Plus Halealala, Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea and Pu' u' O' o in our 50th state and a few peaks in the Wind Rivers in Wyoming and Mount Whitney and a few minor peaks in Yosemite in California, Some peaks in the Henry's and La Salles in Utah, there are more, you get the picture.

45 years ago I purchased a pair of Chippewa hiking boots when I was 19 that I still wear today. They are in amazing (nearly new) condition. I've probably summited 30 peaks (11 or 12 or them fourteeners) in those boots, will wear them until I die, and pass them on to my son.

Somewhere in the 80's, I switched to lighter Vasque mountaineering boots for my hiking/summiting and the old boots were relegated to heavy yardwork and snow shovelling. The Vasques have helped me to the top of perhaps 40 peaks in total, about 12 of them fourteeners. The Vasques are amazing, still in near perfect shape (polished and spit-shined), and I'm not sure I would do it, but could probably wear them to church (business casual in Dockers) without many eveing noticing they are mountaineering boots! I'll pass these on to my son too.

I'm pretty sure 40 years from now, both pairs of my hiking boots, my tube amp and preamp, and all of my various speaker cables and IC's will be in my then-mid-fifties aged son's possession, and performing admirably.

Meanwhile, 100+ (probably $2,500 allowing for 4 decades of inflation) pairs of whatever crap you suggested would have you hobbled and lame.

But nice try.

Excellent point and well thought out! I wonder if the "Dark Knight" will read this and find a way to talk about his fashion and designer clothes for comparison?

digitalvideo · January 2011

headrott wrote: »

I do not believe any evidence will be satisfactory for you as far as "proving" to you that an HDMI cable will make a difference in the picture/sound quality from your gear. I believe you need to prove that to yourself. Or don't. I have personally seen an HDMI cable produce much mor vibrant colors (as one example) than another HDMI cable I was using. The only change that was made was the cable. All other gear remaind the same. The length of the HDMI cable was the same. The only variable was the cable. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove that to you. Please see above about "proving" things.

Greg

Some people on here think the "Dark Knight" Princess is some expert and to be taken seriously, I think he's a fraud but here's what he said about HDMI cables:

DarqueKnight wrote:

With regard to HDMI cables, I use Monoprice cables. I subjectively evaluated HDMI cables from Acoustic Research ($20), Monster Cable ($130) and Rocketfish ($85). See figure 12 in this thread. I saw no difference between any of them. I switched from AR HDMI cables to Monoprice HDMI cables because the Monoprice cables had heavier insulation and heavier connectors with better strain relief...plus they only cost $8.

mdaudioguy · January 2011

There sure seems to be a lot of mixing of apples and oranges in this thread. What is everybody really arguing about? Is this a general cable debate? Or specifically about HDMI? Are we talking analog or digital signaling? I'm so freaking confused here...

Oh, and digitalvideo, I have no idea what it was that you've attempted to add to this thread. Your point? Oh yeah, cheap HDMI cables work fine for most people. Yeah, we know that.

zarrdoss · January 2011

this is kind of like the Jeff Foxworthy "you might be a redneck"

if you have to finance a HDMI cable " just 22 more payments and this sucker is mine" you might be an audiophile.

Thats ridiculous, my projector and Blu-ray cost lass than half of that.

gdb · January 2011

I'd love to see some diehard, cable advocate members have their cables secretly swapped out with brand X ones like that old coffee comercial. I wonder how many would instantly realize that something had changed..... and how many would go along blissfully unaware.:biggrin:

tonyb · January 2011

I would notice in a heartbeat.

digitalvideo · January 2011

gdb wrote: »

I'd love to see some diehard, cable advocate members have their cables secretly swapped out with brand X ones like that old coffee comercial. I wonder how many would instantly realize that something had changed..... and how many would go along blissfully unaware.:biggrin:

:biggrin:

digitalvideo · January 2011

tonyb wrote: »

I would notice in a heartbeat.

No you wouldn't, not in a blind back to back test with multiple wires with no names on them, and I also doubt you will make yourself available for such a test.

mdaudioguy · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

No you wouldn't, not in a blind back to back test with multiple wires with no names on them, and I also doubt you will make yourself available for such a test.

Apples and oranges again.... One's talking analog audio and the other digital video. Have you figured that out yet?

Face · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

No you wouldn't, not in a blind back to back test with multiple wires with no names on them, and I also doubt you will make yourself available for such a test.

Get a life.

ysss · January 2011

gdb wrote: »

I'd love to see some diehard, cable advocate members have their cables secretly swapped out with brand X ones like that old coffee comercial. I wonder how many would instantly realize that something had changed..... and how many would go along blissfully unaware.:biggrin:

If the cable is analog, then there's a chance the difference is audible...

If it's a digital cable (hdmi)... then it's either on or off

No such thing as audible degradation or jitters... the bits are checksummed and buffered before processed for presentation.

DarqueKnight · January 2011

headrott wrote: »

I have personally seen an HDMI cable produce much mor vibrant colors (as one example) than another HDMI cable I was using. The only change that was made was the cable. All other gear remaind the same. The length of the HDMI cable was the same. The only variable was the cable.

Greg, which two HDMI cables did you compare?

tonyb · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

No you wouldn't, not in a blind back to back test with multiple wires with no names on them, and I also doubt you will make yourself available for such a test.

I'm here, send me your stuff baby. You assume too much my friend.

tonyb · January 2011

ysss wrote: »

If the cable is analog, then there's a chance the difference is audible...

If it's a digital cable (hdmi)... then it's either on or off
No such thing as audible degradation or jitters... the bits are checksummed and buffered before processed for presentation.

No such thing as jitter ? Really ? You gonna stand by that statement ?
Bits are bits and the whole nine yards....again ?
Search for threads on this as we have gone round and round so many times, Jessie's hair actually got messed up.

ysss · January 2011

tonyb wrote: »

No such thing as jitter ? Really ? You gonna stand by that statement ?
Bits are bits and the whole nine yards....again ?
Search for threads on this as we have gone round and round so many times, Jessie's hair actually got messed up.

Non audible. Audio data takes less than half of video's on an hdmi line, so you should be seeing video glitches first before you can hear any audio problems if there is problem with the transmission media.

The 'problem' with many of the reports of people being able to 'perceive' hdmi cable improvements or degradation is that their description of the difference are usually associated with analog transmission: better color, sharper images, more 'depth' in the audio, more 'musical', etc.

digitalvideo · January 2011

tony seriously, if you want people to take you seriously don't argue against experts at cnet.com who put these HDMI wires through their test labs and on their Kuro's and Samsungs and noticed no difference and every single electronic website that has done back to back tests on these HDMI cables and saw no difference either. cnet.com uses Monoprice on all their tv's during shootout tests.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7-226-3.html

NBC: Buyer beware: Misleading HDMI cable labels suggest needless upgrades:

Cable makers and dealers make money exploiting the ignorance of TV buyers

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38731070/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

Canadian Broadcasting Corp. Confirms HDMI Cable Scam!

http://hdguru.com/canadian-broadcasting-corp-confirms-hdmi-cable-scam/240/

So which brand names of these HDMI wires do you claim will make a difference in PQ?

ysss · January 2011

tonyb wrote: »

No such thing as jitter ? Really ? You gonna stand by that statement ?
Bits are bits and the whole nine yards....again ?
Search for threads on this as we have gone round and round so many times, Jessie's hair actually got messed up.

Actually, as long as we're talking about digital video transmission, then I've read/seen no evidence of jitters affecting the visual quality in any perceivable way;

Yes, there is a big debate of audio quality over HDMI; but that is specifically for audio transmission without video, over hdmi.

headrott · January 2011

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Greg, which two HDMI cables did you compare?

The two cables I compared were ones made by Lenex-Po here: http://http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/2M-6FT-ATLONA-HDMI-DIGITAL-VIDEO-AND-AUDIO-CABLE-Discontinued-and-replaced-with-AT14039-2-p-16633.html. Although, it was a 3M cable not 2M. I think it was the same model as this, but possibly the previous generation to this.

The other (which was the better of the two) is found here: http://jenving.se/?p=hdmi. Although this is the newer generation than I have. The one I have was a 3M cable that is HDMI v1.3, not v1.4 as the one in the link is.

The Supra cable is extremely good (from my exprerience) and as I said, I noticed large improvement in picture quality when I switched cables (from the Lenex-Pro to the Supra). The equipment I was/am using is this:

Blu-ray player: Denon DVD-3800BDCI
DVD player: Denon DVD-5910
TV: Panasonic PT-53WX54L rear projection tv
Receiver: Denon AVR-3801 receiver
Video cable: Jenving Supra HDMI V1.3a cable 3 Meters in length
Audio cables: M.A.D. "pearl" with locking RCA ends.

I highly recommend the Supra HDMI cable. It gives a very nice picture.

Greg

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

No you wouldn't, not in a blind back to back test with multiple wires with no names on them, and I also doubt you will make yourself available for such a test.

I'm available right now for such a test. Feel free to show up at my home with whatever cables you want. You can switch or not and see if i notice a difference from my used Audioquest cables that i paid $80 for.

The fact that my girlfriend (who has no interest in this hobby at all) noticed a difference when i switched to silver cables while she was at work one day tells me all i needed to know. She came home and asked "What's wrong with your stereo? It sounds like crap!"

The amusing part was that she couldn't SEE the cables, and the cables i was trying were at least 3 times the cost of what i paid for what i'm running currently.

If you're talking HDMI (and it's really unclear at times what you're talking about), then all bets are off. I haven't tried anything nicer than Monoprice, because 1) i don't care since i don't pass audio over HDMI, and 2) i'm in the "if it works, it works" camp for HDMI. My ears don't hear a difference with different DIGITAL cables.

Tour2ma · January 2011

^ Hearing fresh silver IC's convinced me that there can be differences in wire... never heard sound so bad coming from a quality rig.

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Apples and oranges again.... One's talking analog audio and the other digital video. Have you figured that out yet?

No one cares... It would just get in the way of CP's longest running, most animated and, IMO, most pointless argument.

digitalvideo · January 2011

concealer404 wrote: »

I'm available right now for such a test. Feel free to show up at my home with whatever cables you want. You can switch or not and see if i notice a difference from my used Audioquest cables that i paid $80 for.

My challenge on the previous pages was for anyone to come over "MY" house with their over priced scams and I'll call over all the neighbors, funny how you forgot about that or didn't want to take me up on my challenge. So go to www.expedia.com and call up FedEx and haul all your stuff over here, the neighbors are waiting. :biggrin:

concealer404 wrote:

The fact that my girlfriend (who has no interest in this hobby at all) noticed a difference when i switched to silver cables while she was at work one day tells me all i needed to know. She came home and asked "What's wrong with your stereo? It sounds like crap!"

The amusing part was that she couldn't SEE the cables, and the cables i was trying were at least 3 times the cost of what i paid for what i'm running currently.

So what? So she's got bad taste in sound and men, I can't help that! j/k But I wouldn't go by what someone who has no interest in that hobby says as a accurate gauge on judging sound dynamics. She probably has no idea why the broadcast networks often have commercials that sound much louder than the shows she watches.

concealer404 wrote:

If you're talking HDMI (and it's really unclear at times what you're talking about), then all bets are off. I haven't tried anything nicer than Monoprice, because 1) i don't care since i don't pass audio over HDMI, and 2) i'm in the "if it works, it works" camp for HDMI. My ears don't hear a difference with different DIGITAL cables.

The thread topic is: "The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB" so this is suppose to be about HDMI cables.

digitalvideo · January 2011

headrott wrote: »

The two cables I compared were ones made by Lenex-Po here: http://http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/2M-6FT-ATLONA-HDMI-DIGITAL-VIDEO-AND-AUDIO-CABLE-Discontinued-and-replaced-with-AT14039-2-p-16633.html. Although, it was a 3M cable not 2M. I think it was the same model as this, but possibly the previous generation to this.

The other (which was the better of the two) is found here: http://jenving.se/?p=hdmi. Although this is the newer generation than I have. The one I have was a 3M cable that is HDMI v1.3, not v1.4 as the one in the link is.

The Supra cable is extremely good (from my exprerience) and as I said, I noticed large improvement in picture quality when I switched cables (from the Lenex-Pro to the Supra). The equipment I was/am using is this:

Blu-ray player: Denon DVD-3800BDCI
DVD player: Denon DVD-5910
TV: Panasonic PT-53WX54L rear projection tv
Receiver: Denon AVR-3801 receiver
Video cable: Jenving Supra HDMI V1.3a cable 3 Meters in length
Audio cables: M.A.D. "pearl" with locking RCA ends.

I highly recommend the Supra HDMI cable. It gives a very nice picture.

Greg

headrott, thank you for posting the names of those cables. How much does the Supra cost? Do you know where they were made? Most HDMI cables are made in China in the same factories. Jenving is listed as one of HDMI's official adopter companies so they are official and legit, so is Bluejeans Cable and Copartner which are pretty cheap. I'll see if I can purchase one and compare them on my plasma.

All companies listed on HDMI.org's official website under their Adopter program have officially earned the HDMI seal and passed their tests at their testing labs. The thing is that $2 dollar cables pass all testing (Category 2 High Speed) so the pricing of these vendors who charge lots of money is questionable.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/adopters_founders.aspx

concealer404 · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

My challenge on the previous pages was for anyone to come over "MY" house with their over priced scams and I'll call over all the neighbors, funny how you forgot about that or didn't want to take me up on my challenge. So go to www.expedia.com and call up FedEx and haul all your stuff over here, the neighbors are waiting. :biggrin:

Nope. See, i'm not the one trying to convert anyone over. If you want to convert someone, you have to make the effort just like the salespeople that come to my door. I'm not going to travel to buy your subpar product. If you want me to buy it, you've gotta make that effort and close the sale. Marketing 101. Jehovah's Witnesses figured it out, and the correlation here is more than passing.

So what? So she's got bad taste in sound and men, I can't help that! j/k But I wouldn't go by what someone who has no interest in that hobby says as a accurate gauge on judging sound dynamics. She probably has no idea why the broadcast networks often have commercials that sound much louder than the shows she watches.

Cute.

But on the contrary, i would go by someone who has no interest. They have no dog in the fight, they didn't pay for any of the equipment, and there's nothing riding on them hearing a difference or not. But when she couldn't tell the difference switching amps out, but COULD with these wires... again. Rather telling. To me at least. You won't agree, and it doesn't matter.

For what it's worth, i have no idea why commercials are varied in volume. Mainly because i haven't cared enough to find out.

The thread topic is: "The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB" so this is suppose to be about HDMI cables.

That's what i thought the thread topic was, but you brought up speaker cables 2-3 pages ago and i've been confused since.

inspiredsports · January 2011

gdb wrote: »

I'd love to see some diehard, cable advocate members have their cables secretly swapped out with brand X ones like that old coffee comercial. I wonder how many would instantly realize that something had changed..... and how many would go along blissfully unaware.:biggrin:

It's interesting you mentioned coffee.

My wife, 4 at home college age kids and I drink a LOT of coffee. We have 3 or 4 machines in regular use. We particularly trend toward Starbucks House Blend ground immediately before brewing with a stainless steel blade grinder. And I say "stanless steel blade grinder" as opposed to burr grinder because I (we) can tell the difference.

We can tell who brewed the pot. Same amount of filtered water, same coffee filters, same pot, same brew temperature. But we all seem to have varying styles of grinding that yield a different coarseness of the grounds and different flavors.

You may think it's absolutely crazy, but we prefer it a certain way and can taste the difference. When you brew 6 or 7 pots a day, everyday, you start to pick up on it.

Same way with my 2-channel rig which is on an average of 8 hours a day and I'm typically rotating in a new cables about once a month. By the end of that month of listening, you definietly notice a change when a new speaker cable, IC or power cable is placed in the mix.

And that is another important point when trying to stage fast A/B testing with a random crowd. It really doesn't accomplish much if you are trying to approximate how we really listen to our various rigs.

As far as the HDMI cables that are actually the topic of discussion, I think anyone here has much interest in them.

digitalvideo · January 2011

inspiredsports wrote: »

It's interesting you mentioned coffee.

My wife, 4 at home college age kids and I drink a LOT of coffee. We have 3 or 4 machines in regular use. We particularly trend toward Starbucks House Blend ground immediately before brewing with a stainless steel blade grinder. And I say "stanless steel blade grinder" as opposed to burr grinder because I (we) can tell the difference.

We can tell who brewed the pot. Same amount of filtered water, same coffee filters, same pot, same brew temperature. But we all seem to have varying styles of grinding that yield a different coarseness of the grounds and different flavors.

You may think it's absolutely crazy, but we prefer it a certain way and can taste the difference. When you brew 6 or 7 pots a day, everyday, you start to pick up on it.

Same way with my 2-channel rig which is on an average of 8 hours a day and I'm typically rotating in a new cables about once a month. By the end of that month of listening, you definietly notice a change when a new speaker cable, IC or power cable is placed in the mix.

Here we go again with comparing coffee to cables and designer clothes to cables. jeez

But my father likes the coffee at Panera Bread.

headrott · January 2011

digitalvideo wrote: »

headrott, thank you for posting the names of those cables. How much does the Supra cost? Do you know where they were made? Most HDMI cables are made in China in the same factories. Jenving is listed as one of HDMI's official adopter companies so they are official and legit, so is Bluejeans Cable and Copartner which are pretty cheap. I'll see if I can purchase one and compare them on my plasma.

All companies listed on HDMI.org's official website under their Adopter program have officially earned the HDMI seal and passed their tests at their testing labs. The thing is that $2 dollar cables pass all testing (Category 2 High Speed) so the pricing of these vendors who charge lots of money is questionable.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/adopters_founders.aspx

Here is the link to buying the 3M HDMI cable in the USA: http://www.sjofnhifi.com/servlet/Detail?no=79

They are located in Seattle, WA. It is $95.00 for the cable. The Supra cable is made in Sweden, not China. I make it a point to not buy Chinese made crap. IMO, just because a $2.00 HDMI cable passes a so called "test" does not mean it will give a good picture. Just as a $95.00 cable that passes a test does not mean it gives a quality picture. I would have to see the picture to know if it gives a good picture. Give the cable a try and see what you think.

Greg

The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB

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