Power Cable Question

PrazVT
PrazVT Posts: 1,607
edited January 2011 in Electronics
I was thinking of upgrading the power cable on my PS3 slim and my Denon receiver. But I'm having a hard time finding good cables (psaudio, pangea, shunyata, etc.) that use the 2 pin IEC connector (the Denon uses a 2 pin). Is it safe to use a power cable w/ 3 pins (female) in a 2 pin connector (male)? Will they even fit?

Sorry - googling wasn't helping.

Thanks,

Praz
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    Wikipedia says C17 will accept a C13 / C14 cable...so perhaps that answers my question.
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    I very much doubt the PS3 will benefit from a new power cable...
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    So not so much for video sources? Or are you referring to the PS3 in particular?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,701
    edited January 2011
    If you have a two pin IEC, it's called a C7 and no, a regular power cord will not fit the C7 IEC.

    PS Audio use to make a C7 cord, but doesn't seem to anymore. I don't think Shunyata ever did. Not sure about Pangea...weren't they coming out with one? I believe Signal makes one.

    IMO, it's always a good idea to upgrade power cords.
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    C7 is the small one I think - ie. the one that fits the PS3 slim. It's the one for the receiver I am having trouble finding - c17 I think.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,701
    edited January 2011
    Ok, I had to look this up. Yes, it safe to use a power cable w/ 3 pins (female) in a 2 pin connector (male) and yes, it will fit.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2011
    PrazVT wrote: »
    I was thinking of upgrading the power cable on my PS3 slim and my Denon receiver. But I'm having a hard time finding good cables (psaudio, pangea, shunyata, etc.) that use the 2 pin IEC connector

    New Pangea cable.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC14C7
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    Power cords will NOT offer any picture quality of sound quality improvement unless the power cord is damaged. I've talked to engineers at SurgeX and on many other forum/websites this has been discussed and there is no performance improvement with a IEC Power Cord. Only replace power cords if they are damaged. It is just like the HDMI cable debate. Transparent Cable offers a $1000+ power cord which is like AudioQuest's $1000+ HDMI cable, it's a marketing scam.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,701
    edited January 2011
    So, you haven't actually tried an aftermarket power cord for video products, I take it. I have and there is most definitely an improvement.
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    New Pangea cable.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...umber=PGAC14C7

    Yeah that's the one I was pondering getting for the PS3. But connector I'm looking for is like this ...

    Plug_IEC320_Kaltger%C3%A4teanschlusssteckdose_DIN_VDE_0625_Teil_1_Normblatt_C17.jpg

    Doesn't have the middle ground pin.
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    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2011
    PrazVT wrote: »
    Yeah that's the one I was pondering getting for the PS3. But connector I'm looking for is like this ...

    Doesn't have the middle ground pin.

    That is a 'normal' power cable. Any three pin power cable works fine. I have a 3 pin Pangea AC-14SE on my SACD player, which has a 2 pin connector. The 90 degree part is simply for space saving, and probably is not necessary unless you have your gear shoved up against the wall.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,967
    edited January 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ok, I had to look this up. Yes, it safe to use a power cable w/ 3 pins (female) in a 2 pin connector (male) and yes, it will fit.


    beat me to it I knew what he was trying to say,they just don't have the ground pin on the unit. more and more are not coming with the ground pin on the female IEC
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    Don't worry about the 90 degree part - this was just some random photo I found. I just wanted to illustrate what exactly I was talking about :)

    Thanks for the confirmation Bluefox & pitdogg2!

    I was looking at the Pangea cables as well..

    AC-9 for the receiver
    AC-14SE for the touch power supply
    AC-14SE C-7 for the PS3 slim
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    F1nut wrote: »
    So, you haven't actually tried an aftermarket power cord for video products, I take it. I have and there is most definitely an improvement.

    Can you prove this with any testing results with numbers, I'd like to see it.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,701
    edited January 2011
    You can do a search under DarqueKnight. He has numerous threads about power cords with numbers and pretty color pictures.

    However, it is more important to experience these things for yourself as numbers don't tell all.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,421
    edited January 2011
    digitalvideo wrote: »
    Can you prove this with any testing results with numbers, I'd like to see it.

    *yawn* :rolleyes:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    *yawn*

    lol. Ok let us not derail my rather simple question. My philosophy is, give it a shot and see / hear for yourself. That is what I'm doing.
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    heiney9 Posts: 25,421
    edited January 2011
    PrazVT wrote: »
    lol. Ok let us not derail my rather simple question. My philosophy is, give it a shot and see / hear for yourself. That is what I'm doing.

    There is nothing simple about a cable question, the biggest hot button in this hobby. You can talk common sense all day and all night about how one needs to experiment rather than read other's opinion's, but the naysayers have very little common sense. They would rather have someone else tell them or show them that difference's exist rather than hear/learn for themselves.

    Cables matter, period!

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2011
    nguyendot wrote: »
    I very much doubt the PS3 will benefit from a new power cable...

    I politely disagree.

    The PS3 doubles as one of the best/most economical Blu-ray players on the planet, and the video quality improved on mine with a very affordable "VH Audio Flavor 3" I bought from a Polkie here a year or so ago in the Classifieds.

    I think they are still displayed at http://www.vhaudio.com/powercables.html
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2011
    PrazVT wrote: »
    lol. Ok let us not derail my rather simple question. My philosophy is, give it a shot and see / hear for yourself. That is what I'm doing.

    I think you might have quoted the wrong post.

    H9 is here to help . . . digitalvideo might be an unwelcome digital douchebag, maybe not, I don't know for sure.
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,335
    edited January 2011
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    the video quality improved on mine

    Same here when I added a Pangea AC-14 to my older PS3. Great cheap upgrade...:cool:
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    I think you might have quoted the wrong post.

    H9 is here to help . . . digitalvideo might be an unwelcome digital douchebag, maybe not, I don't know for sure.

    I wasn't saying anything bad about H9's post - hopefully he knows that - he's been very helpful to me lately - esp. on the squeezebox PS front.

    I just didn't want digitalvideo inciting a heated 'discussion' :)

    On that front ..everyone is entitled to their opinion ... but opinions should be conveyed as such. I've learned that many of the tips I read about here are probably equal parts subjective and objective. Hence, I said my philosophy is to give it a shot and find out for myself.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2011
    PrazVT wrote: »
    I wasn't saying anything bad about H9's post - hopefully he knows that - he's been very helpful to me lately - esp. on the squeezebox PS front.

    I just didn't want digitalvideo inciting a heated 'discussion' :)

    Yep, digitalvideot needs to respect that you DID NOT ASK for numeric measurement studies.

    nguyendot expressed polite doubt, but digital was downright confrontational to F1's response and deserves the wrath of Polkies like me to reign down upon him.

    He should start HIS OWN thread if, in fact, he is contemplating throwing down some of his hard-earned for a power cable for his BDP.

    If he can then calmly read the responses he gets, make a choice and watch his TV screen, then he can tell the responders in HIS THREAD that he thinks they are wrong, otherwise, he needs to calmly shut up.

    Greg
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    I dunno, if you open up your older PS3 and see how the power wires are routed, and how low grade they are.... I'm not thinking a power cord change on the PS3 is going to yield that much. I've tried shielded vs unshielded and don't see any difference. It looks good either way. To each their own. I'm guilty of trying new cables for audio, so there is no reason not to here, it's part of the hobby.
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  • PrazVT
    PrazVT Posts: 1,607
    edited January 2011
    I dunno, if you open up your older PS3 and see how the power wires are routed, and how low grade they are.... I'm not thinking a power cord change on the PS3 is going to yield that much. I've tried shielded vs unshielded and don't see any difference. It looks good either way. To each their own. I'm guilty of trying new cables for audio, so there is no reason not to here, it's part of the hobby.

    I definitely heard an improvement after upgrading the power cords on both Parasound amps, so I believe the upgrades are worth it on the audio front.

    It sounds like you've done some experimentation on the PS3 front, so your feedback is definitely useful. It's not like I'm unhappy w/ the PS3's HD / Blu-ray playback or anything - I just figured since I'd be getting some new power cords for the SB and receiver, maybe the PS3 would benefit.

    Anyway I'll keep reading on it.
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    blueboxer Posts: 621
    edited January 2011
    Anyone have any personal preference or experience with signal versus audioquest or pangea cords?
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    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited January 2011
    I had a signal digital reference power cord and it sounded better with my dragonpro2 than a furutech power cord that cost twice as much.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 18,006
    edited January 2011
    Cables Matter, Period!!!!

    I have replaced every cable in my system with fantastic results,and no I'm not about to post up some stupid numbers to prove it.They work for me and thats all that matters..

    Having an open mind is having one...
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    There is nothing simple about a cable question, the biggest hot button in this hobby. You can talk common sense all day and all night about how one needs to experiment rather than read other's opinion's, but the naysayers have very little common sense. They would rather have someone else tell them or show them that difference's exist rather than hear/learn for themselves.

    Cables matter, period!

    H9

    Can you show which major recording/engineer studio, Hollywood studio, famous musicians use a $1000 dollar Transparent Audio power cable or any of their cables? Are they made in the U.S. or China?

    Belden(R) Cable Chosen for Use at the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games:

    http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-26-1999/0001059587&EDATE=

    Mogami cables used by Warner Bros, Sony, Universal, world famous musicians:

    http://www.mogamicable.com/additional/testimonials.php

    Audioquest and Transparent Cable are usually top sellers among middle class and upper middle class people to make them feel "eite" when in fact most professional recording mixers and engineers laugh when you mention spending over $200 bucks for a 4 to 5 foot long cable.
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Yep, digitalvideot needs to respect that you DID NOT ASK for numeric measurement studies.

    nguyendot expressed polite doubt, but digital was downright confrontational to F1's response and deserves the wrath of Polkies like me to reign down upon him.

    He should start HIS OWN thread if, in fact, he is contemplating throwing down some of his hard-earned for a power cable for his BDP.

    If he can then calmly read the responses he gets, make a choice and watch his TV screen, then he can tell the responders in HIS THREAD that he thinks they are wrong, otherwise, he needs to calmly STFU.

    Greg

    LOL @ someone taking this too personal and swearing who can't stand getting questioned, awwww another middle class guy who got ripped off spending too much money for a cable and thought in his head he saw or heard a slight difference sort of like people who buy HDMI wires in Best Buy and think the price of a Monster HDMI cable determines it's performance.

    hmmmm now let's see, should I trust some regular average random blogger on which cables to buy who resorts to swearing when questioned about the cost/performance ratio of cables or the top performing muscians in pop, rock, classical, hip hop, Grammy nominated DJ's and mixing engineers in multi million dollar recording studios who perform in front of 100,000 people who use Mogami to give me a idea on the performance cost ratio of a wire? As Mogami is a bargain compared to most "high end" snake oil cables.
    wrote:
    I am responsible for recording over 50 Crosby, Stills & Nash shows every year. The band has told me to use the highest quality equipment available, which is why I choose Mogami for connecting all my recording gear. The multi-channel cables are simply the best (believe me I've tried them all). Their Platinum series cables are sonically superior to anything that I have heard.


    - Michael Klvana, Live Recording Engineer for Crosby Still and Nash

    inspiredsportsotherwise wrote:
    he needs to calmly STFU.

    Greg

    I'll be waiting for you to come make me the Gregmeister. LOL
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