3d blue ray versus regular blu ray
moraks
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is it worth it to get a 3d blu ray player now with a regular projector or just get a non 3d blu ray player. I will probably upgrade to a 3 d projector in about 4 years when the technology is more mature.
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If you want 3d and you were me, I would wait. All prices come down over time and quality goes up. Plus in 3 or 4 years they will have new Dolby Digital HD/3d Super duper what ever and the 3d player you have now won't support it.Sunfire TGP, Sunfire Cinema Grand, Sunfire 300~2 (2), Sunfire True Sub (2),Carver ALS Platinum, Carver AL III, TFM-55, C-19, C-9, TX-8, SDA-490t, SDA-390t
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thuffman03 wrote: »If you want 3d and you were me, I would wait. All prices come down over time and quality goes up. Plus in 3 or 4 years they will have new Dolby Digital HD/3d Super duper what ever and the 3d player you have now won't support it.
+1...its getting downright impossible to keep up with the latest and greatest, im getting to old to care anyway.
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What do you want to bet that in 3-4 years we'll have 3D TVs with no glasses?Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
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is it worth it to get a 3d blu ray player now with a regular projector or just get a non 3d blu ray player. I will probably upgrade to a 3 d projector in about 4 years when the technology is more mature.
Wait 4 years then get a 3D player. In 4 years your 3D player you buy today will probably not work anyway since we will have HDMI 1.9 by then.
No sense spending the extra cash on a 3D BD Player now when you won't even use it for 4 years.
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is it worth it to get a 3d blu ray player now with a regular projector or just get a non 3d blu ray player. I will probably upgrade to a 3 d projector in about 4 years when the technology is more mature.
It's a good rule of thumb to buy the capabilities when you need them, not 4 years out. Blu-ray players are getting cheap enough that replacing a basic one in 4 years won't be such a big deal. The exception to the rule was the ps3 which updated even to 3d with regular firmware updates. But 4 years later, even the ps3 is starting to run out of gas compared to the full feature set of the latest dedicated players. -
What do you want to bet that in 3-4 years we'll have 3D TVs with no glasses?
Good bet. But the off angle viewing out of the sweet spot is likely to be poor. It's very difficult to route two separate images to each eye without glasses. -
What do you want to bet that in 3-4 years we'll have 3D TVs with no glasses?
That would be cool, I couldnt sit through a 2 hour movie with those on my face anyway.Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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What do you want to bet that in 3-4 years we'll have 3D TVs with no glasses?
How about next year ? They already have them, thats why you see rock bottom prices on regular hd tv's this season. By next x-mas they'll be in full swing but the off axis problem is going to be a deal breaker for some.HT SYSTEM-
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what do you want to bet that in 5yrs there is no 3D anymore
In talking with local shops in my area their telling me that sales on the TV's are soft. Reason being that most folks just spent 1500/2000$ on their flat panel and do not see the reason to fork out that much or more for the 3D tv plus all the other stuff to go along with it because most have also just upgraded to Blu-Ray
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I predict 3D will never be accepted by the masses and go away like Beta, D-VHS, SACD/DVD-A, HDDVD,etc...
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How about next year ? They already have them, thats why you see rock bottom prices on regular hd tv's this season. By next x-mas they'll be in full swing but the off axis problem is going to be a deal breaker for some.
Toshiba has developed that technology, and it was demo'd earlier this year. They do have issues with viewing angle, but it should be solved, just like any other issue, with time. I am talking more like general production with acceptable pricing, when I said 3 years.
What the heck, Japanese already have real concerts with 3D holographic artists "singing" in different languages.Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
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thanks for the advice, will settle for the 2d blu ray. any recommendations? have decent library of dvd movies so will need upconversion capabilities
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Knucklehead wrote: »+1...its getting downright impossible to keep up with the latest and greatest, im getting to old to care anyway.

Should just let me have your stuff, I'll cover shipping
Really though, I'd just wait.thanks for the advice, will settle for the 2d blu ray. any recommendations? have decent library of dvd movies so will need upconversion capabilities
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I Install 3D and it's kinda cool and kinda not. There is work to be done on the end user I don't like. Auto modes on these Tv's don't work. You have to pick which "kind" of 3D you are watching like "top and bottom" or "side to side". This sucks as you can't automate this as it's all toggle commands. Then when you want to watch 2D , you have to turn 2D off or go to the non working Auto mode and it works to allow 2D to come through. Then on top of all that crap Samsung has this 2D to 3D up conversion thing that sucks **** as it mostly makes everything look awful . It's DSP modes all over again for video. I hate 3D and the suck **** glasses and they are not cheap. For a family of 4 be prepared to drop some coin.
I'm not saying you shouldn't get a 3D Blu ray player if it has all the other features you want , but I'm sure you can find a Blu ray player with all the features you want and not be 3D. Look into LG and Samsung players , they make affordable players with many features. Also check out Panasonic which I like the best. Streaming is where it's at now and moving forward so getting a player with as much as possible is key.
Us Audio guys still hang on to our Oppo and Cambridge Blu ray players for Audio reasons in SACD and DVD AUDIO. They also make great stand alone cd players but I rarely ever do that anymore now that I store all my cd's in my Apple TV in Losseless.Dan
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Should just let me have your stuff, I'll cover shipping

If I give it to anybody it would be you my friend, because my family thinks Im nuts for having what I have.
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Knucklehead wrote: »If I give it to anybody it would be you my friend, because my family thinks Im nuts for having what I have.

My family thinks so too! Good thing we've got our own little family right here on the forum :biggrin:
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From what I have heard 3d BR players can run normal BR's more efficiently and better than a normal BR player. Has something to do with the processing power and memory. Same applies for 3d tv's and none 3d content.HT setup
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bigaudiofanatic wrote: »From what I have heard 3d BR players can run normal BR's more efficiently and better than a normal BR player. Has something to do with the processing power and memory. Same applies for 3d tv's and none 3d content.
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Any link? What passes for efficiency? A few seconds off load times? Just curious.
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The graphics processor has to work less sense it is not loading 3d content so it does normal BR material more efficiently. Also more memory for loading quicker.HT setup
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Makes sense. Just wondering if you'd notice any of these performance gains in real world use since the processor of both machines still has to run the blu-ray to spec and load times have decreased a lot for 2D players.
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The 3d compatible plasma and the 3d br player in the living room run br's amazingly clear and 3d's do take more time to launch.HT setup
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i have samsung 3d bluray and mitsu 82837 dlp 3d tv.3d is kind of gimmicky looking for several movies i have seen right now.espn broadcasts of football games though were very cool and very impressive so 3d may have potential. i have seen samsung bluray players for under $100 locally at big box stores and sam's club.so if you can pick one up for a good price i woould.
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I am down to panasonic bd85 or LG570, any recommendations?
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lg tend to have some problems playing regular dvds at least 2 of mine do as well as a friends LG,no such problems on my panasonic.problems experienced are skipping and freezing.
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And just how much better can surround processing get? 5.1 lossless seems to be about as close to perfection as you can get...granted amplification and speakers are up to snuff. Plus my ears are getting older...not as big of an addiction as it used to be.THE SYSTEM
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It's a good rule of thumb to buy the capabilities when you need them, not 4 years out. Blu-ray players are getting cheap enough that replacing a basic one in 4 years won't be such a big deal. The exception to the rule was the ps3 which updated even to 3d with regular firmware updates. But 4 years later, even the ps3 is starting to run out of gas compared to the full feature set of the latest dedicated players.
I'd have to agree with the ps3. While it can do everything, some players can do it better. Of course the ps3, will never be outdated so you can consider it.2Ch Tube Audio Convert -
The ps3 is a great up to date 2D player. And can be used for 3D movies and games. However, the lack of lossless audio when viewing 3D movies is a big limitation and has the ps3 starting to show its age IMO. So I'm not sure you can say it will never be outdated. Firmware updates and beefy general processors can only make up for so much when it comes to a lack of specialized new hardware.
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Of course, they could put new hardware in an updated model at some point, just like they did with lossless bitstreaming on the slims...


