need help picking my projector

goingganzo
goingganzo Posts: 2,793
edited January 2004 in Electronics
my first queston should i get a dlp or lcd. i know they both ane their benefits and drawbacks. i think i have a list of 3-7 pj i will consider

Studio Experience 20hd 4500
Sanyo PLV-70 4300
Sanyo PLV-Z2 2000
BenQ PE8700 4500
Panasonic Home PT-AE500 2000


the first to look like the same pj just with a different shell. and i am haveing problem finding local retailers to vew these pj all the throw distances will be between 12-14feet for a 115 diag


thanks
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,415
    edited January 2004
    I will be watching this thread with interest, I want one also.

    Are there any Sony's worth a look at? I have a Sony discount through my Dad who retired from CBS Records/Sony.
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited January 2004
    The best info I can give you is to find a shop that will give you some in-home demo time. It's the only way to be sure. I did this and found out that the single chip, low speed color wheels in the lower priced DLP units give me headaches and dizzyness due to rainbows.

    The AVS forum is a great site for PJ help and questions. I suggest you go there and do a search on the PJ's your looking at and read.


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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    Thier or only a couple projector people on this forum. Glad to see see you going for it. You will never look back.
    I have the Sanyo PLV60-HT.
    ****Studio Experience 20hd 4500
    ****Sanyo PLV-70 4300
    These are the newer versions of mine. Same exact projector with different cases. Heard many good things about Studio Experience as a company. They are in bussiness for the serious HT lovers. They are among the brightest on the market at 2200 lumens.
    This would be my pic.

    Let us know how it goes. I have been using FP for 3 1/2 years now so if you need and help Goingganzo just ask........
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited January 2004
    How would a FP compare to something like the Sony Grand Wega? I was looking at the Sony at CC and the picture was very nice if not the best in the store. I thought I read that the FP's have a life span on bulb life (X-hrs), is that true? When I do get another set it will be in the 60"-65" WS size unless the FP would be the better choice. For the most part (whichever style set) it would be the most used area in the new home.

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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    How would a FP compare to something like the Sony Grand Wega?
    About 8 feet bigger.....;)
    How does your local movie theater compare to a top of the line Sony Grand Wega?

    You will be amazed at the FP's picture quality on the market in the same price range as the largest Wega's. Yes bulbs have 1000 to 4000 hour life spans. But in a dedicated HomeTheater it will last awhile and well worth it. I have my Sanyo for 2 years now and have 600 hours.

    *Interesting how common/populair 65" inchers are, ten year ago people would not comprehend. Some people still think you can't play video games on projectors. Haaaaaaaaaa! Haaaaaaaaaa!!!!
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    The cool factor on video games on a projo would indeed be fun.

    If you're going to use the FP to do your TV watching as well Ganzo, you can look at that bulb goin away fairly quickly, but if the FP would be used for movies only and occasional to regular usage, it should last a while.

    I just can't justify the expense of the bulbs, which they rape ya for to the tune of roughly between $300 and $500 a pop.
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited January 2004
    Gonzo,
    You gotta add this one to your list!!

    http://www.infocushome.com/projectors/product.asp?proj=7200&lang=eng&region=amer

    HD2 Mustang Chip
    True HD resolution
    Quite fan
    Fantastic brightness and contrast

    This is the one I'm shooting for.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by Frank Z
    http://www.infocushome.com/projectors/product.asp?proj=7200&lang=eng&region=amer
    My God......how'd you make it through reading the text on that page Frank. My eyes are about to be buggin outta my head......<squint> lol

    Isn't 1000 lumens about the starting point for where projectors come in at? Is upping the lumens a simple as using a different bulb or is there more to it than that?
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by brettw22
    My God......how'd you make it through reading the text on that page Frank. My eyes are about to be buggin outta my head......<squint> lol

    Isn't 1000 lumens about the starting point for where projectors come in at? Is upping the lumens a simple as using a different bulb or is there more to it than that?

    In my expert opinion...I haven't got a clue!! I'm not as well versed in projector spec's as I'd like to be, but hey there's only so many hours in a day right!

    BTW, My eye's are acting up a bit. How are yours doing?
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    ****............
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited January 2004
    Back at ya! :D
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited January 2004
    the 5700 os a little more than what i want to spend if i was going in that price range i would look at the 5705 with is the mustang2+ chip.


    now what will a 20-30 foot vid cabble do to the pic. i am planing on getting good cables from sigonal cable for my digital vid and analog vid.

    i have enought screne materal for a 125 screen but not the space that is y i am going with 115 with will almost quad my screne area. i do not do alot of tv watching just some hockey and foot ball movies and vid games and also movies from my comp.
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    I could suggest another 15 projector in your price range but I gave you MO out your pics. FP is almost a billion dollar business now. You will kill yourself deciding out of what is out thier and there is no way to demo them all. Learn all you can and make a chose. But with my 12 foot screen there is no turning back. Read a "pro" review of my FP and they said the PQ actually improved on a 20 foot screen. Very few have a room or quality screen that size but my next house WILL. ;)
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  • kberg
    kberg Posts: 974
    edited January 2004
    Scott,

    Say I was interested in a projector, as opposed to getting a 50" plasma or some other type of display monitor that I would mount on the wall well above my fireplace. Can one properly project a screensize of the size of a 50" plasma (or perhaps a bit larger) on such a wall, even though the projector would probably be capable of much larger screen projections? If so, what type of screen material would I use to project the image on, if it were to be projected in the manner above? Sorry if these sound like stupid questions, but I'm totally unfamiliar with the projector option.

    Ganzo, don't mean to hijack your thread, either.
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    kberg,
    First of all the whole point of getting a projector is to go big. In most cases as big as the "room" will allow. Most mid-line projectors will go from 30" inches to 30' feet. It depends on how far the projector is placed from the wall. If you only want 50" i would not suggest a projector. Get the 47" Plasma from gateway for $2499. It would have better picture quality over the projector.
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  • jasonurban1
    jasonurban1 Posts: 1
    edited January 2004
    well i could just say that a dlp is very bad for fast action frames like sports.anouther suggestion would be do not get a lcd/dlp combined,like the sonygeand wega.in a couple years the pixals will dry out and crimple downward.
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited January 2004
    scott and ron did you both diy your screene? and some one on here gave me a link to trader 128 that sells the materal. did you do anything to the materal after bulding the screne like panit it?



    as soon as i sell my tv i will be buying the projector and bulding the screne but not till then. but i will have my projector picked out. i am defentley going to get a 4-5k one i just like the features and inputs on that price range.
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by scottvamp
    Read a "pro" review of my FP and they said the PQ actually improved on a 20 foot screen. Very few have a room or quality screen that size but my next house WILL. ;)

    How is the picture effected by the size of the projected image? I would have thought the smaller the size (closer to screen) would have the better pic. Does the projected picture become too bright to allow for darker colors (black, blues etc)?

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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited January 2004
    My screen is DIY. I used Pine 1x4's for the frame and streached blackout fabric over it. I then painted the fabric with a Lowes light grey paint.

    My next screen will be made from a sheet of 1/4" masonite (press-board) with a 2x2 frame. This will allow easier painting, make for a stronger screen and it will be easier to attach velcro for mattes.


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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    A guy that I know made his screen and framed it out of aluminum framing. As for the screen material, he cheaped out with black felt behind a white sheet I think. (At the time I wasn't relly payin attention to PQ really, so don't remember how that looked) He hung it from some loopholes that he'd screwed into the ceiling, but that thing was VERY light.......couldn't have been more than 10-15 pounds, if even that..... I don't know how big it was, but I'd guess maybe 7-8 feet wide and about 6ish tall or so?

    It might be a good idea for those that have built your own screens to give a price point of the whole project for people to consider.

    My friend said that he made his screen for $65 with everything. I'm sure that would be quite a bit more if there were better screen materials used, but that frame was sturdy and light.......any advantages to going with heavier materials?
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    scott and ron did you both diy your screene? and some one on here gave me a link to trader 128 that sells the materal. did you do anything to the materal after bulding the screne like panit it?
    ganzo, me and Ron did the same thing on our DYI screens. That has become the standard. You can use many combinations of grey and silver paints. You have to do alot of research for mixes.
    My special ingrediant was silver glaze. Better blacks and more 3D PQ.
    I posted this once before but this is the guy I got my material from. Since then several other people have been selling it. They buy it in bulk and make some good cash. But this is the stuff you want. You can email him and get any size you want. I got a 13x6 foot for $100.
    Projector material
    How is the picture effected by the size of the projected image?
    Dave, the picture quality will remain the same for the most part. =What matters is how far you sit from the screen.= And if you are going really big you want a dark room and a projecter with hi lumens. The Sanyo PLV70 would do a twenty foot image with plenty of light with no problems. Close up you would get a bright sharp picture. Real far away you will get a "film quality" picture with softer details. Much more movie theater feel.
    With my 12 foot screen the back row is 23 feet away and the picture quality is amazing. So a little less than double the size of the screen width wise.
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  • Wardsweb
    Wardsweb Posts: 942
    edited January 2004
    For a really great bang for your buck check out the Infocus X1. These can be had for around $1000. Nice review here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/infocus_x1.htm
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by scottvamp
    ganzo, me and Ron did the same thing on our DYI screens. That has become the standard. You can use many combinations of grey and silver paints. You have to do alot of research for mixes.

    I posted this once before but this is the guy I got my material from. Since then several other people have been selling it. They buy it in bulk and make some good cash. But this is the stuff you want. You can email him and get any size you want. I got a 13x6 foot for $100.
    Projector material
    Hey Ron......few questions about the screen link above from putz.....How transparent is it for sound considering it has the "rubberized backing"? Could you put a center channel speaker behind that and not have it muffled out? Also, and I'm assuming that painting it as well would inhibit the sound as well making speakers behind the screen a fleeing thought........true? no?

    Is there a DIY option that would allow you to bury your speakers behind while getting the maximum PQ possible, or to attain that do they have to go with pre-manufactured?
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  • kberg
    kberg Posts: 974
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by scottvamp
    If you only want 50" i would not suggest a projector. Get the 47" Plasma from gateway for $2499. It would have better picture quality over the projector.

    I might want to go much larger - just wanted to know the range of screen size for projectors. I will check into the Gateway, however - thanks.
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    Hey Ron......few questions about the screen link above from putz
    Keep it up ****. You can't just put my threads on ignore like I did you. Got to keep running your mouth. Hey if you want to meet man to man, I am in Phoenix all the time. I can show you how transparent the sound is when I brake my foot off in your ****.:eek:
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by scottvamp
    Keep it up ****. You can't just put my threads on ignore like I did you. Got to keep running your mouth. Hey if you want to meet man to man, I am in Phoenix all the time. I can show you how transparent the sound is when I brake my foot off in your ****.:eek:
    Scott, look.....questions posed directly to you go totally unanswered. I ask questions because I'm curious. The reason I pointed my question to Ron was that I anticipate his reply to be free of the thick layering of **** that you like to put out there...answer the questions or don't, but as far as I'm concerned, you can keep your **** out in Kingman. Who knows though, maybe you're not such a dick in person...... :cool:
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    I'm here for friends and to help people. Not for personal attacks and arguing. I answer all questions and try to help everyone out on here.
    The reason we are on these terms is because me and Sid were spatting and as a newbie you put your nose where it did not belong.
    Me and Sid are cool now - he manned up and so should you....
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited January 2004
    actuley that is the guy i got it from enough for a 123 diag but i will be olny makeing a 115

    i am going to find a local seller for the Studio Experience 20hd
    Sanyo PLV-70 to demo them
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited January 2004
    Originally posted by goingganzo
    i am going to find a local seller for the Studio Experience 20hd
    Sanyo PLV-70 to demo them
    SWEET!!!! Let us know what you think. Very nice light guns....
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited January 2004
    ok i have decided on the sanyo 70 or Studio Experience Cinema 20HD i found a dealer of the 20 at a good price but cant find sanyo dealers to compare priceses i think the sayno will go for about 150 less. also should i suspend a shelf for the projector or get the mount?



    now it is on to selling my tv sooner i sell the tv sooner i get the front projector
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