What denon is best Denon AVR-3808C or 3310CI

polkfarmboy
polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
edited June 2010 in Electronics
I will be choosing a receiver to use for driving Martin Logans the speakers are and will be 6 ohm

I plan to add an amp as these electrostats can dip low . In the near future I may add a sunfire or somthing else

Does anyone have an opinion about these 2 receivers as I am torn between the 2
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited June 2010
    Edit: Who am I kidding. I'd take the 3808ci. Better amp section.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,967
    edited June 2010
    3808 hands down it also has the denon-link. The 3310 is almost entry level quaility.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    3808 hands down it also has the denon-link. The 3310 is almost entry level quaility.

    Thats very interesting

    What is the denon link?
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    Thats very interesting

    What is the denon link?

    I got you covered.

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  • Bernal
    Bernal Posts: 991
    edited June 2010
    1) When it comes to sound, the 4310CI has no obvious weaknesses, but it's important that the consumer understand that it really isn't a 4308CI at a lower price. It is a 3808CI with a higher price. The amplifier is the same as the 3808 in terms of power output and overall quality (judging from weight and sound). The simple truth is that the 3310CI is a replacement for the 2809CI with added networking capability, and the 4310 replaces the 3808—which is by no means bested by the 4310. Audyssey DSX and PLIIz are hardly worth the extra $400, especially if one gives up the ease of use guaranteed by the networking features in the 3808.;)

    2)
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    What is the denon link?

    http://www.denon.com/glossary/2009/02/denon-link-4th.html

    01) DENON AVR-4308CI: Advanced 7.1 CH/5.1+2 CH/ 3.1+2+2 CH A/V Home Theater /MultiMedia Multi-Source/Zone Receiver with Networking and WiFi/170 watts x 7 channels
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    A very informative post .... thanks bernal
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited June 2010
    +1, Bernal..

    But with regards to the new Denon and the 3808...without a doubt the 3808. The 3310 is lighter than my older AVR2807. Yeah, it's got newer techno-goodies...but Dane is quite right. I doubt that that amp section is any better and probably worse than my several year old LOWER model?

    AVR 2807 = almost 31lbs HDMI 1.1
    AVR 3310 = 28.6lbs HDMI 1.3
    AVR 3311 = 26lbs14ounces HDMI 1.4

    Does anyone SEE a trend HERE! Sure weight isn't everything but consider that the newest model supports more speakers....Dolby--height/width channels? Shouldn't it have a HEAVIER transformer, etc....in there?

    It depends on what's important to you...New Vid-TECH or SOUND!

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    Heres the dilemma about new codec vs sound .... I will end up adding a separate amp
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2010
    Shouldn't be a problem with either, the Denon will still be doing the processing. All codecs should be fine passed through the Denon.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited June 2010
    Amazon has the 3310 for $649 today
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    I read your post thinking .. yep saw it on amazon warehouse refurb

    The receivers brand new with free shipping !!

    The 3310 doesnt have the denon link for eliminating jitter hmmm . The price is good though and I will probably add a sunfire anyways

    With the 3310 make for a better preampthan the 3808?
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2010
    Bernal wrote: »
    1) When it comes to sound, the 4310CI has no obvious weaknesses, but it's important that the consumer understand that it really isn't a 4308CI at a lower price. It is a 3808CI with a higher price. The amplifier is the same as the 3808 in terms of power output and overall quality (judging from weight and sound). The simple truth is that the 3310CI is a replacement for the 2809CI with added networking capability, and the 4310 replaces the 3808—which is by no means bested by the 4310. Audyssey DSX and PLIIz are hardly worth the extra $400, especially if one gives up the ease of use guaranteed by the networking features in the 3808.;)

    Hey Bernal, when you quote others, you need to provide the original article info. You don't want to be seen as a plagiarizer :p
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited June 2010
    Absolutely get the 3808ci, as it's made in Japan while the 3310ci is made in China. Big difference in build quality. Plus, the 3808ci is an overall better reciever.

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  • Bernal
    Bernal Posts: 991
    edited June 2010
    headrott wrote: »
    absolutely get the 3808ci, as it's made in japan while the 3310ci is made in china. Big difference in build quality. Plus, the 3808ci is an overall better reciever.

    Greg

    + 1.
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited June 2010
    to be frank, I think the Martin-Logans will need a better amp section than either receiver can provide. Electrostatics (you did not provide the model of the speakers, which would help) impedance loads are not stable and usually receivers cannot provide the current required.

    I have a Denon 3806 receiver, and I can attest to the fact that it runs out of steam driving my LSi15 speakers as it is....
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    Current logans are the new highly efficient design series , Source se 6ohm and 6ohm centre

    I never said a receiver was going to be driving them ?
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    I will be choosing a receiver to use for driving Martin Logans the speakers are and will be 6 ohm

    I plan to add an amp as these electrostats can dip low . In the near future I may add a sunfire or somthing else

    Does anyone have an opinion about these 2 receivers as I am torn between the 2

    I must have read your original post wrong....

    :confused:
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    Thats ok jon .... grimsters review has totally put me off the denon as he describes it as boring compared to the sc07 so I'm putting my hunting gear back on and going back out to geet me somin else
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  • Grimster74
    Grimster74 Posts: 2,577
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    Thats ok jon .... grimsters review has totally put me off the denon as he describes it as boring compared to the sc07 so I'm putting my hunting gear back on and going back out to geet me somin else

    The best suggestion would be to go out and listen to receivers and see what you like best (features, options, etc.), who knows, your taste may push you towards the Denon's. Take your own music, music you know and or movies. Make them plays some tracks for you, one's you know. If you have any other questions please feel free to shoot me a PM. I just don't want ya to make a decision based off my review of the SC-07 over the Denon 3808CI.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    Well I have a question about the sc07 and denon

    If I added a sunfire to either receiver would this make them sound both the same? or is the difference in sound mainly due to the processors?

    Seems to me that you know whats good and I'd rather go by the opinion of someone who has heard both units
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2010
    Processing would be different Polkfarmboy. I would suggest you take some demo material with you. I compared the two myself and bought the SC-07. I think I was the first one here with the new Elite, so............1st!!!! I love doing that, but anyway if you like a forward detailed sound then the Elite is your dream AVR. You can also tame the high end using MCACC so even though the RTi12s are bright I can actually control just how forward sounding the speaker performs if that makes sense. The SC27 is the newer model to look at, though you may get lucky and find a killer deal on a Pio SC-07. I will say that there are quite a few of us here using the Pio models. Mantis wrote up an awesome review also.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,325
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    Well I have a question about the sc07 and denon

    If I added a sunfire to either receiver would this make them sound both the same? or is the difference in sound mainly due to the processors?

    Seems to me that you know whats good and I'd rather go by the opinion of someone who has heard both units

    First off with the Pioneer SC models, you will not need a external amp. If you decide to get the sunfire which is a more powerful amp then whats in the Pioneer , the sound quality comes from the preamp section more so then the amps.
    I personally favor the dynamics of the Pioneer ELite preamps over the Denon models. Denon has this lifeless experience I can't get past. As others have posted "boring" is a good way to describe it.
    As suggested go check out both lines and see what you favor. Then when your done with that you can join the ICE club.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    The ice club is where all the cool people hang out ? lol

    I haven't ever realy considered the pioneer line before but now find myself reading alot of posatives around the web about them

    I still think I will need external amplification though as I was planning on going all electrostat on the surrounds . I want to add 4 ML script i's and they are about 4ohm and add another 3 stats might be a recipe for disaster

    So if I mainly used a pioneer just as a pre then what would be the cheapest model I could buy and still get that exciting sound from the processor ?
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited June 2010
    Maybe take a look at the VSX-94TXH or something... should be able to find them cheap since they're a year or two old. And will still be sufficient for what you need.
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  • renowilliams
    renowilliams Posts: 920
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    The ice club is where all the cool people hang out ? lol

    I haven't ever realy considered the pioneer line before but now find myself reading alot of posatives around the web about them

    I still think I will need external amplification though as I was planning on going all electrostat on the surrounds . I want to add 4 ML script i's and they are about 4ohm and add another 3 stats might be a recipe for disaster

    So if I mainly used a pioneer just as a pre then what would be the cheapest model I could buy and still get that exciting sound from the processor ?

    If your looking for something used an older elite avr can work too. I have an older model that is very powerful and dynamic. (VSX-49TXi). It was a model built in Japan and has excellent build quality. In Fact, I just saw one for sale on Canuck Audio Mart for $500.00 CND. I assure you that it is worth every penny, provided it is in mint shape as the seller claims. Here is a link

    http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/179613-poineer_elite_vsx49tx/

    I love mine and would never part with it.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    dane_peterson wrote: »
    Maybe take a look at the VSX-94TXH or something... should be able to find them cheap since they're a year or two old. And will still be sufficient for what you need.

    So in theory dane the 94 and sc07 being driven by a 7 ch amp would produce identical sound?
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited June 2010
    renowilliams wrote: »
    If your looking for something used an older elite avr can work too. I have an older model that is very powerful and dynamic. (VSX-49TXi). It was a model built in Japan and has excellent build quality. In Fact, I just saw one for sale on Canuck Audio Mart for $500.00 CND. I assure you that it is worth every penny, provided it is in mint shape as the seller claims. Here is a link

    http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/179613-poineer_elite_vsx49tx/

    I love mine and would never part with it.

    Good Luck

    Thanks reno but it doesn't matter how powerful the receiver is as it may overheat driving the electrostat speakers but I am tempted to buy a powerful receiver . As a matter of fact a pioneer 07 just got listed today on audiogon for $750 but I haven't done enough research yet to pull the plug
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited June 2010
    I really liked the sound of the 94TXH, and I am pretty confident it would sound JUST as good as the SC-05/SC-07 with an external amplifier.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2010
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    Thanks reno but it doesn't matter how powerful the receiver is as it may overheat driving the electrostat speakers but I am tempted to buy a powerful receiver . As a matter of fact a pioneer 07 just got listed today on audiogon for $750 but I haven't done enough research yet to pull the plug

    At $750, I would say get your read on quickly. That's one heck of a deal. I paid 1600 for mine. The processing is outstanding on these. Read the user reviews on bluray.com, avs, and here. You won't be disappointed.
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