Goodwill find..........SDA-2/II

cov413
cov413 Posts: 12
edited July 2010 in Vintage Speakers
Newbie here. I'm a big fan of Polk's but don't know much about the vintage models. A friend of mine found a set of Polk SDA-2/II at a Goodwill store today and gave me a call. I had him snatch these up for me for 25 BUCKS for the set. I have a couple of questions for you experts out their.

1. What is the purpose of the interconnect cable?

2. A couple of the fuses were blown. What does this mean, and size are the replacements?

3. Hooked these up to my Pioneer Elite reciever and with only one tweeter working on each speaker I was still blown away by how full the range was on these. What can I except when all speakers are working properly?

4. Was thinking of selling these and making a profit but I love the sound and range these speakers have, IF I were to sell how much could I expect to get for the set. They are in surprisingly good condition, no peeling, only a couple very slight scatches, the grills are pretty good could use a recovering perhaps but nothing broken or missing.

Any input you guys can offer would be great. thanks
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 26,001
    edited May 2010
    Welcome to CP ya lucky ****.:D:p;)


    The SDA-2 is a great speaker.
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  • chandler9a
    chandler9a Posts: 878
    edited May 2010
    you are very lucky. I don't think the tweeters are blown, they are dimensional tweeters in that model and play at a much lower level that you may not hear that well. Or they could be unhooked from the inside. either way, I would keep them to enjoy for a while.
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  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited May 2010
    1. The interconnect cable basically expands the soundstage of the loudspeakers. In short, the SDA effect tricks our ears out of being able to locate the loudspeakers; instead of point sources, they're expanded outwards.

    2. Fuses blown? The previous owner probably played them too loud or with a poor amp and the fuses were blown to protect the tweeters. Check the back of the loudspeakers for the type of fuse needed; iirc, it's 1AG Fast-Blo. It'll be listed on the back of the loudspeakers, so write down the requirement and make a trip to your local Radio Shack or perhaps a home improvement store.

    3. That's probably because of the blown fuses. The original SDA-2's (with three midwoofers; top inside is stereo midwoofer, top outside is dimensional midwoofer, bottom inside is sub-bass woofer) had two fuses a loudspeaker in order to protect the two tweeters. If one or more tweeter is not working, replace the fuse.

    4. If they're in decent/good condition, you may be able to get $200-250 if everything's working. You'll probably want to listen to these for a few dozen hours at least to tell if you really want to let them go.




    When I bought my SDA-1's, the previous owner had blown at least two of the fuses and actually killed one of the tweeters. I replaced all 4 fuses with the proper type (as I said, I think it's 1AG Fast-Blo) and then the bad tweeter. Odds are that the dimensional (outer) tweeters will still be fine while the stereo (inner) tweeters may or may not be fine. If they ARE dead, replacing the tweeters would be $20-30/ea on eBay.
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  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    will it hurt to run these without the interconnect cable?
  • chandler9a
    chandler9a Posts: 878
    edited May 2010
    cov413 wrote: »
    will it hurt to run these without the interconnect cable?

    It won't hurt them but they are much better with it as that is how they were designed to be played.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,728
    edited May 2010
    Wow....what a deal!..:eek:

    And I thought I got lucky finding and old pr. of 9A's or B's with the peerless today. I'm going to post my find in a new thread but this post got my attention first.
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,728
    edited May 2010
    chandler9a wrote: »
    It won't hurt them but they are much better with it as that is how they were designed to be played.

    :rolleyes:I agree 100%

    Listening to SDA's without the cable is like driving a car with with very low tire pressure in ALL 4 tires.

    That cable is a part of their design. I like the effect personnally.:D
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

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  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    can I make my own cable? If so how?

    Also I swapped fuses around and I only get sound (from the tweeter) with the fuse in the top slot, and its like that on both speakers, does that mean each speaker gas a bad tweeter?
  • On3s&Z3r0s
    On3s&Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    If you've got two tweeters in each speaker I'm pretty sure that means you've got the original SDA 2 (not 2A or 2B). I have the same speakers. I haven't played with the fuses, but it sounds like you may not have any bad tweeters. Like chandler9a said, one tweeter and one of the mid-woofers in each speaker is part of the "dimensional array." Those drivers only work if you have the interconnect cable connecting the two speakers. Without the interconnect, you're not going to hear much from them. With no interconnect and the fuse removed for the "normal" stereo drivers (I assume the top slot from your description) you probably won't get sound from either tweeter.

    You can make your own interconnect. In a pinch all you need is normal speaker wire. I've been using 16 gauge, just twist and double up the ends to get them to hold firmly in the slots. But, you need to be very careful matching the ends. Polk used a number of styles of connectors. Mine have one longer slot and one shorter slot on each receptacle to receive a long blade and short blade on the cable plug. It is very important that you connect the long to long and short to short. If you cross them you stand a good chance of sending your amp into thermal protection shutdown.

    Later connectors have a blade / pin configuration instead, but that may just be SDA 2A's and later. (Earlier ones are different with pins that stick out from the receptacle, but these are very rare from the sound of it.) Same thing applies as far as I know... connect like to like.

    Once you have working fuses installed and the interconnect in place you can test it by putting your amp into mono mode or just putting on a simple recording that sends mostly the same stuff to each stereo channel. Turn the balance on your pre-amp all the way to the left. You should still hear the dimensional tweeter and midwoofer working on the right speaker, just fainter. Then you can repeat the test in the other direction. This will tell you if the dimensional drivers are working.

    If all is right with the world at this point, you can make a more permanent cable using these to terminate your own cable. http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=7503200 (thx to F1nut I think for providing that link!) I hope the receptacle part on the same site (s-302-ab) can be used in the holes polk drilled in the speakers, cause replacing those it my next project.

    Also, I think most SDA's have a warning on the back that says not to use the interconnect with anything other than a common ground amp. That means the amp needs to have both channels connected to each other through a common ground. Using mono blocks or a dual mono amp would be a bad idea.

    Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Also, you'll find schematics and other helpful information in sticky threads at the top of the vintage forum too. Now I'm going to go cry myself to sleep thinking about how much more I paid for my 2's.
  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited May 2010
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  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited May 2010
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    beyerdynamic DT-880 Premium (600 Ω) headphones
    SENNHEISER HD-555 headphones
    Little Dot MK IV tube headphone amp
    Little Dot DAC_I balanced D/A converter
  • On3s&amp;Z3r0s
    On3s&amp;Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    Not to muddy the waters, but I just dug out the instruction manual for my SDA-2's. On the Physical Specifications page it says the following:

    Fuses: 1 amp, 3AG Fast-Blo Stereo & Dimensional, H.F. only.

    Sadly, I think you should take that with a grain of salt. Under Driver Complement it lists:

    3 x MW7500 Mid L.F.
    2 x SL1000 H.F.
    1 x D-1200-A Passive

    I'm pretty sure those part numbers are all wrong. I know for sure I have SL2000 tweeters. I'm guessing Polk transitioned to new parts and part numbers before they ran out of the first printing of the manual. Ah... welcome to vintage hi-fi.

    Just out of curiosity, are the fuses on the outside of the speaker cabinet on the same escutcheon plate with the binding posts? If they are, then maybe you don't need to take the fuse description with a grain of salt... you might have a slightly earlier SDA 2 that is more accurately described by the manual than mine.
  • warren
    warren Posts: 756
    edited May 2010
    Connect the two together with an RCA cable, Ken from Polk, now retired told me, works just fine on my stock 2.3....
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,081
    edited May 2010
    Ben on this forum custom makes SDA interconnect cables in the $40-$50 range. Nice find and an unreal price!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,504
    edited May 2010
    warren wrote: »
    Connect the two together with an RCA cable, Ken from Polk, now retired told me, works just fine on my stock 2.3....

    Can't use an RCA on older SDA's they are blade/blade.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    thanks to all for the replies. I didn't really get to check these out that well when I first brought them in the home, I was move worried about if they even worked. Now that I have had some time to clean the dust off.......................THESE THINGS ARE IN UNREAL CONDITION. No peeling or chips anywhere only 2 small scratches (barely noticeable) on one of them and the other looks new. The only thing they could use is some new grill cloth, as the fronts are fraid in a few places.

    I've talked the wife into letting me keep these, so I'm putting them in my office. Someone name me a nice vintage reciever that these will match nicely with cosmetically and power wise. Is it true that when using the interconnect it drops the ohms down to 2. I have a newer Pioneer Elite reciever now but I have other speakers hooked up, I don't suppose I can hook the sda's up using the B muti-room option huh? (I really know better but just thought I'd ask so that I could get the techincal answer)

    Anyway what vintage recievers are some of you guys using to run your SDA's with. Thanks again for everyones replies and help...............I'm learning.
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    Just so everyone knows the inside of the plug for the interconncet on mine is 2 male pins the same length and a hole centered below that is maybe a female but its hard to tell if something is actually plugs in there.
  • On3s&amp;Z3r0s
    On3s&amp;Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Can't use an RCA on older SDA's they are blade/blade.

    Sounds like it's worse than that even. From the description, could be this thing (copied the picture from out of the thread for easier reference).

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24085

    Unless you can find some small and well insulated alligator clips like Tide used, I'd say you're stuck pulling those out and replacing them with something else.
  • On3s&amp;Z3r0s
    On3s&amp;Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    cov413 wrote: »
    Someone name me a nice vintage reciever that these will match nicely with cosmetically and power wise.

    I've run mine with a couple of different integrateds (NAD) and amps (Hafler 9180 and B&K 200.2). Personally, I'd recommend something with at least 100 WPC and a fairly decent damping factor (like better than 300). Moving to a bigger amp really seemed to tighten up the bass for me, and the B&K gave me more warmth and detail in the midbass than the Hafler. The Hafler seemed to be a REALLY neutral amp.

    I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't use the Pio at least temporarily... I don't know if I'd try driving your HT speakers and the SDA's at the same time, but I think all the Elites run about 90 WPC or better.
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »
    Sounds like it's worse than that even. From the description, could be this thing (copied the picture from out of the thread for easier reference).

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24085

    Unless you can find some small and well insulated alligator clips like Tide used, I'd say you're stuck pulling those out and replacing them with something else.

    I was just about to post a pic............

    YES this is the same as what mine has. Alligator clips????? I'll see if I can come up with something better. My do some upgrades later, if so I'll swap the connector plugs.
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    the serial # on mine are SDA II 171

    can someone date these for me.
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    cov413 wrote: »
    the serial # on mine are SDA II 171

    can someone date these for me.


    sorry SDA II 1718
  • cov413
    cov413 Posts: 12
    edited May 2010
    heres what the fuse connectors and the IC plug look like

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  • On3s&amp;Z3r0s
    On3s&amp;Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    I think I saw somewhere that the SDA 2's were all pretty much made between 1983 and 85. The guy I bought mine from said he got his in 84 or 85 and my serial numbers are in the 4000's. The thread I linked to said Tide's ser no's were also in the 1000's and he pulled a driver with a date of 6/83 on it. I'd say middle to end of 83 would be a good guess for yours. If you wanted to pull drivers you could narrow it down, but I'm not sure if it's worth it unless you're going in for some other reason.

    They're definitely some early SDA 2's, you probably have the SL1000 tweeters as pictured here: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100799&highlight=tweeter+sl1000.

    So if you find out any of your tweeters are cooked, talk to Keith quick!
  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited May 2010
    On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »
    Sounds like it's worse than that even. From the description, could be this thing (copied the picture from out of the thread for easier reference).

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24085

    Unless you can find some small and well insulated alligator clips like Tide used, I'd say you're stuck pulling those out and replacing them with something else.

    You have the same interconnect as I do. Those are definitely early SDA-2's. My S# (on my SDA-1's) is 2075. Anyways, have you sorted out your fuses yet?
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    polkaudio SDA-1 (with the SL1000)
    TEAC AG-H300 MK III stereo receiver
    beyerdynamic DT-880 Premium (600 Ω) headphones
    SENNHEISER HD-555 headphones
    Little Dot MK IV tube headphone amp
    Little Dot DAC_I balanced D/A converter
  • On3s&amp;Z3r0s
    On3s&amp;Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
    edited May 2010
    I wouldn't recommend this as a permanent mod, but using crimp-on insulated automotive disconnects is quick and gets the job done while you're figuring out a more permanent solution. I used a combination of blade and bullet disconnects so I wouldn't forget which wire goes where. The stock internal wiring to the interconnect receptacle on my SDA 2's is 20 gauge. The left speaker has a black and a white wire. The right speaker has a blue and a white wire. The left speaker's black wire is connected via the interconnect cable to the right speaker's white wire. The right speaker's blue wire connects to the left speaker's white wire.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,504
    edited May 2010
    Those are early SDA's and I believe Parts Express sells a connector that will work. The search function isn't too good, but I know this issue has come up before and there is a decent fix.

    They aren't blade/blade and they aren't pin/blade. Very early SDA's used that funky connector

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, and the original booklet, iirc, called it an "RTA-type connector". Why? No clue. It's similar in size and shape, I think, to the XLR3 plugs. A good mod may be to replace that receptacle with an XLR3 jack and find an XLR3 F/F cable; you'll probably want a 20' cable at least depending on your setup. Since you'll only need 2 wires and are simply using the XLR3 for a standard cable & recepticle, you can use biwire (ie: lamp cord or commercial speaker wire).

    Look at Moon Audio, it'll be $4 per socket and $5 per plug for basic XLR3 connectors, so $18 to do the mod not including the wire. They have some sockets that look like they'll fit with minimal modding. Either way, On3s's little hack-job, while it'll get the job done, will probably change the cabinet's properties a bit.
    polkaudio Monitor 5 Series II
    polkaudio SDA-1 (with the SL1000)
    TEAC AG-H300 MK III stereo receiver
    beyerdynamic DT-880 Premium (600 Ω) headphones
    SENNHEISER HD-555 headphones
    Little Dot MK IV tube headphone amp
    Little Dot DAC_I balanced D/A converter
  • Cthulhu11
    Cthulhu11 Posts: 69
    edited May 2010
    Very lucky man cov413, Welcome to the family!!
  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited May 2010
    Just talked to Polk support; the rep said the original cable (pre-blade/blade) was the "A-1". Since I've never tinkered that much with DIY electronics, I can't visualize how the SDA cable is utilized exactly. Disregard what I say next unless a few others validate it...
    The original A-1 cable had both pins active and needed be be switched...

    1 2 pin (R)
    A B wire
    | |
    A B wire
    2 1 pin (L)
    So to use biwire, you'd have to connect Pin 1 on the right side and Pin 2 on the left side with the same wire, and Pin 2 on the right with Pin 1 on the left. After that, it'd be reversible; you can use either left or right end of the cable with either left or right loudspeaker and have it connected properly. I'll do my best to validate that in about a week or two (if it's not figured out by then) with a multimeter or something.
    polkaudio Monitor 5 Series II
    polkaudio SDA-1 (with the SL1000)
    TEAC AG-H300 MK III stereo receiver
    beyerdynamic DT-880 Premium (600 Ω) headphones
    SENNHEISER HD-555 headphones
    Little Dot MK IV tube headphone amp
    Little Dot DAC_I balanced D/A converter