Genalex kt77 / el34 (2010 Polkie Genalex Group Buy)
doctorcilantro
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Hi all,
Thought I would open this one up for the Polkies.
Genelex KT77 / EL34 (New Sensor re-issue) group buy - all payments (via check of Paypal Personal) required in by March 21, 2010:
Matched Pair - $80 shipped CONUS
Matched quad - $160 shipped CONUS
Matched octet - $325 shipped CONUS
All tubes will be matched by plate current first, then by gm results from Amplitrex AT1000 - shooting for 10% plate and 5% gm give or take - remember this is highly accurate testing to begin within so these matches will be tighter than factory at real world conditions.
Depending on the final size of the buy, turnaround time will be at least 3 weeks due to transit time of shipment from factory, testing, matching, and ship out.
Feedback: Head-Fi - eBay - Audiogon - KT88 Group Buy

2010 Polkie Genalex Group Buy list:
McShane's comments on the KT77 from New Sensor.
Thought I would open this one up for the Polkies.
Genelex KT77 / EL34 (New Sensor re-issue) group buy - all payments (via check of Paypal Personal) required in by March 21, 2010:
Matched Pair - $80 shipped CONUS
Matched quad - $160 shipped CONUS
Matched octet - $325 shipped CONUS
All tubes will be matched by plate current first, then by gm results from Amplitrex AT1000 - shooting for 10% plate and 5% gm give or take - remember this is highly accurate testing to begin within so these matches will be tighter than factory at real world conditions.
Depending on the final size of the buy, turnaround time will be at least 3 weeks due to transit time of shipment from factory, testing, matching, and ship out.
Feedback: Head-Fi - eBay - Audiogon - KT88 Group Buy
2010 Polkie Genalex Group Buy list:
McShane's comments on the KT77 from New Sensor.
Originally posted by DaveMcLain
I remember the JJ tubes with the reddish brown bases, yes... That's been a while ago.
I'm curious about the Genelex branded tubes that New Sensor has put on the market as well. How good are they when compared to the EH, Sovtek and other brands New Sensor sells?
They are significantly better, without question. That's not just my opinion, I hear that all the time from customers.
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For instance is the KT77 really all that different than the EH EL34? What about the KT66 is it the same as the Sovtek or Tungsol version or is it closer to the original or even the Saratov version from a few years ago?
The KT77 is definitely different. For one thing, all the Genalex tubes use gold plated grids - and speaking of grids, the '77 grid must be wound slightly differently than the EL34s, since they bias slightly cooler.
They all use carbonized plates as well, and in the case of the KT66 it uses the proper sized brown base.
All the tube must use different cathode chemistry too. I certainly can't confirm that (I'm no chemist), but they sound so much more refined that the less expensive Saratov made tubes.
There are many who believe that the KT88 Genalex is every bit as good as the original, and a good number who think it's better! The KT66 is a killer, and while the KT77 results are just starting to come in, so far the reports have been superb.
Don't get me wrong, I think the KT-88 EH (as an example) is a VERY good tube. It needs a bit more bass energy, but it has the tightest an best bass control of any tube I've heard other than a good Ei KT-90. But trhe bit of missing bass causes some people to think the tube is too hot on top. You never hear that sort of thing about the Genalexes.
One EH tube that's just a steal is the 6CA7 though. It doesn't sound exactly like an EL34, it probably could be best described as a "baby 6550". The people who use them love them, and they are still a bargain.
The bottom line is that the Genalex reissues get the best construction materials and techniques, and it shows. It is more expensive though, which has been aggravated by the weak US dollar (in the USA obviously), the increasing cost of raw materials, and the increase in labor costs in Russia.
McShane
For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center
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Hello, how many of these do you have for sale?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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As many as you need amigo.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Hmmm, I think I'd like to try an octet.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Hmmm, I think I'd like to try an octet. treitz3=OCTET
Since I can't edit the main post after a while. I'll just quote you. No one needs to pay asap either; it's casual.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Should read regarding payment, "Personal check or Paypal Personal payment".
sorry!
JFor Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
bumpFor Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
I'm slowly rebuilding an ST-70. Would be interested in a quad when I'm done, but not by your March 21 deadline. Will you be having future group buys of the reissue Gold Lion KT77/EL34?
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I'm going to order extra for some friends in your position so save your pennies everyone! I should still have a couple quads extra a month from now.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
I'm getting the order organized and will order extra so anyone is free to jump onboard down the road.
Oops, guess I'm reiterating my last post....For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Orders pending. I ordered extra, who's in
For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Great buy on great tubes! I just wish I had some money...

Get in on this if you have some green! -
Tubes are inbound. Remit payments at your convenience.
thanks,
DCFor Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Forgot to post this about EL84; I picked some up as others were requesting them:
Genalex EL84/N709 (New Sensor re-issue) shipped CONUS.
$55 pair shipped CONUS
$105 quad shipped CONUS
$215 octet shipped CONUSFor Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
I am bidding on an EL34 based amp and the auction ends tonight. If I win I will be interested in a pair, if you have some extra's.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
I am bidding on an EL34 based amp and the auction ends tonight. If I win I will be interested in a pair, if you have some extra's.
H9
Sounds good. Just drop me a line via PM or email.
thanks,
JonFor Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Hey Jon, didn't win, but maybe in the near future.
thanks
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
I'm slowly rebuilding an ST-70. Would be interested in a quad when I'm done, but not by your March 21 deadline. Will you be having future group buys of the reissue Gold Lion KT77/EL34?
What has been your experience with the KT77?
By the way, I noticed in your equipment list that you own a SoundValves VTP-101i. I too own one and purchased a prototype version from Joy and John Peterson at about the time the company was going belly up. However, I never received a manual/schematic. During my recent conversations with John (during parts purchases off Ebay) John steadsfastly tells me he cannot locate a manual/schematic for this model. Is there any chance you have them and could share a copy?? If you need it (for authentication purposes), I can send you a copy of my invoice from SoundValves.
Aristonman -
Aristonman wrote: »What has been your experience with the KT77?
By the way, I noticed in your equipment list that you own a SoundValves VTP-101i. I too own one and purchased a prototype version from Joy and John Peterson at about the time the company was going belly up. However, I never received a manual/schematic. During my recent conversations with John (during parts purchases off Ebay) John steadsfastly tells me he cannot locate a manual/schematic for this model. Is there any chance you have them and could share a copy?? If you need it (for authentication purposes), I can send you a copy of my invoice from SoundValves.
Aristonman
This is my first tube amp, and it is not up and running just yet, so I have not experience, sorry.
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Plenty of KT77 left folks. All good reviews so far.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Fellas, I have never given a thumbs up on a set of tubes in my life. I usually just prefer one tube or another, no big deal.
Now, if you notice in the first couple of posts, I ordered an octet of these reissue tubes. Got them a while back and never got around to putting them in because I was playing around with other tubes in my Anthem amps. Well, about three weeks ago, I went ahead and installed all 8 of them into the Anthems with no other changes made to the system. Let them burn in for almost the entire time [rig shut down and unplugged for lightning storms].
I have probably between 250-300 hours on them so far. I have to admit, out of all the tubes I have tried on the Anthems, these [by far] sound the absolute best out of all of 'em. The bass response is incredible and like no other tube I have tried. It made so much of a change in the response that all levels of listening have changed, whether it be loud as hell or rather low background music. The top end is smooth and not at all brittle, harsh or bright as some tubes I have tried end up doing. The sound stage is not changed that much but there is a slight improvement in imaging. Real good overall spectrum of frequencies and sound. Very nice buy and I will most likely order more for backup when these tubes' life has expired.
Highly recommended.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
doctorcilantro wrote: »Plenty of KT77 left folks. All good reviews so far.
Hold a pr. for me. The Norh amp just arrived a few hours ago. I need some time with it, etc. But it looks like I will have to try these if they are that good. I'll check back in a couple of weeks, but it looks like a pair of these need to be in the rolling box.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
EVERYONE who rolls these in loves them.
Thanks for the report T!
I have maybe 20 left.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
doctorcilantro wrote: »EVERYONE who rolls these in loves them.
Thanks for the report T!
I have maybe 20 left.
Well, hold 2 for me unless someone makes you an offer you just can't refuse
. I just need to get my feet wet with this new amp before I start rolling tubes. But given my track record, it won't take long. 
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Hey, do you have another octet that will be as close in tolerances to the set I purchased? If you can make it happen, please reserve another set for me. I didn't realize you were already that low in quantities.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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I'll match up everything left tonight and see how tight I can make an octet, then some quads, and a pair or two.For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
Thank you, kind sir.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Gotta travel to Houston next week....buy it now/end of the line pricing....
1 tight octet - $305 shipped (reserved for TReitz)
1 tight quad - $145 shipped
1 matched quad - $140
2 matched pairs (or pretty well matched quad - with 2-4% plate and 10% gm) - $65 each or $130
1 single backup - gm tests a tad below 100% - free for first person to Paypal : )For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center -
I'll commit to buy the tight quad
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1 tight octet - $305 shipped (reserved for TReitz)
1 tight quad - $145 shipped (reserved for Big Dawg)
1 matched quad - $140
2 matched pairs (or pretty well matched quad - with 2-4% plate and 10% gm) - $65 each or $130
1 single backup - gm tests a tad below 100% - free for first person to Paypal : )For Sale 2019:
Tortuga Audio LDR passive preamp
Decware EL34 amp
Allnic H-1201 phono
Zu Union Cubes
iFi iDSD DAC, .5m UBS, iFI Gemini cable, Oyaide Tunami XLR 1.3M, Oyaide Tunami Speaker wire 1.5M, Beyerdynamic DT1990 headphones, PS Audio P3 power center



