The Adcom GDA 600 modification thread

george daniel
george daniel Posts: 12,091
edited July 2014 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
OK here we go,first the schematics



http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92160&highlight=modding+an+adcom

Opamps-- I purchased these (2)

http://cimarrontechnology.com/twopre-mountedopa627auop-ampson020302adapterpnopa627au-020302s.aspx

The circuit board is clearly labeled,,and corresponds to the schematics

Remove the opamps and install the new opamps--careful attention to pin #1 orientation,,in the case of the dogs,,pin 1 corresponds with the "b" in browndog.The adcom opamps were marked with a notch of sorts denoting the pin #1.I would suggest installing the DIP 8 sockets, then you have the ability to roll opamps like tubes,if you prefer. Next you want to install 120uf/25 volt electrolytic caps to serve as local power supply reservoirs. the positive lead from the cap goes to pin 8(opamp) and the negative cap lead to pin 4.Then connect the remaining + and - leads on the caps,and tie them to ground.I ran a wire fron the caps which I mounted on the underside of the board to the ground of the power supply,which is easily distinguished.
Digikey # P10270ND

Remove the ferrite inductors at L 500 & L501nand replace with "jumpers",, as they might hide the opamps "flavor" if left in place.

Remove the caps @ C 550 & C 551--nothing goes back there.

I replaced the .1 uf bypass caps(not a requirement) and replaced with Digikey part # P4525ND .1 uf/50 volt stack metal film caps.

On to the power supply--
Remove the two 10uf caps @ C100 & C 104 470uf/35 volt Panasonic Fc caps,,Digikey part # P10301ND

Next replace the two .1uf caps C122 & C 123 with 22uf/25 volt cpas,this will increse the ripple rejection.

Now you are done,, and prepare yourself for some sweet,detailed,and involving analod sounding digital tunes.

There are some film caps in the analog section that are easily identified and labeled,,should not make much of a difference,,but since Sonicap has a sale,,I'll replace them next week,,what the heck.

I give all of the credit to Fred Thompson,who helped me patiently via e-mail,,he answered all of my questions,and made the suggestions,,so,a Big Thank you to Fred,,for without his help,I would not have been able to complete this mod.
Cost--less than 200 dollars(I'm including the sonicaps) which are optional,and would drive the cost down to about 110 dollars.

Here is a link to opamp pin config
http://www.diyhi-fi.co.uk/pdf/Datasheets/lme49720_pinout.pdf

Pic 3 shows the new opa's installed.
JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • Amherst
    Amherst Posts: 695
    edited February 2010
    Looks like some real nice execution after a long bit of research. Great Job!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,501
    edited February 2010
    Great post George.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    It is apparent that I need to use the spell check function.:o
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    george daniel wrote: »
    OK here we go,first the schematics



    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92160&highlight=modding+an+adcom

    Opamps-- I purchased these (2)

    http://cimarrontechnology.com/twopre-mountedopa627auop-ampson020302adapterpnopa627au-020302s.aspx

    The circuit board is clearly labeled,,and corresponds to the schematics

    Remove the opamps and install the new opamps--careful attention to pin #1 orientation,,in the case of the dogs,,pin 1 corresponds with the "b" in browndog.The adcom opamps were marked with a notch of sorts denoting the pin #1.I would suggest installing the DIP 8 sockets, then you have the ability to roll opamps like tubes,if you prefer. Next you want to install 120uf/25 volt electrolytic caps to serve as local power supply reservoirs. the positive lead from the cap goes to pin 8(opamp) and the negative cap lead to pin 4.Then connect the remaining + and - leads on the caps,and tie them to ground.I ran a wire fron the caps which I mounted on the underside of the board to the ground of the power supply,which is easily distinguished.
    Digikey # P10270ND

    Remove the ferrite inductors at L 500 & L501nand replace with "jumpers",, as they might hide the opamps "flavor" if left in place.

    Remove the caps @ C 550 & C 551--nothing goes back there.

    I replaced the .1 uf bypass caps(not a requirement) and replaced with Digikey part # P4525ND .1 uf/50 volt stack metal film caps.

    On to the power supply--
    Remove the two 10uf caps @ C100 & C 104 470uf/35 volt Panasonic Fc caps,,Digikey part # P10301ND

    Next replace the two .1uf caps C122 & C 123 with 22uf/25 volt cpas,this will increse the ripple rejection.

    Now you are done,, and prepare yourself for some sweet,detailed,and involving analod sounding digital tunes.

    There are some film caps in the analog section that are easily identified and labeled,,should not make much of a difference,,but since Sonicap has a sale,,I'll replace them next week,,what the heck.

    I give all of the credit to Fred Thompson,who helped me patiently via e-mail,,he answered all of my questions,and made the suggestions,,so,a Big Thank you to Fred,,for without his help,I would not have been able to complete this mod.
    Cost--less than 200 dollars(I'm including the sonicaps) which are optional,and would drive the cost down to about 110 dollars.

    Here is a link to opamp pin config
    http://www.diyhi-fi.co.uk/pdf/Datasheets/lme49720_pinout.pdf

    Pic 3 shows the new opa's installed.

    Thanks George, please PM again with regards to getting those extra caps you have. Also I was confused with the highlighted part. What is this in reference to? Are you saying C550 and C551 have a bypass cap?

    Awesome can wait to get going on mine.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    george daniel wrote: »
    Next you want to install 120uf/25 volt electrolytic caps to serve as local power supply reservoirs. the positive lead from the cap goes to pin 8(opamp) and the negative cap lead to pin 4.Then connect the remaining + and - leads on the caps,and tie them to ground.I ran a wire fron the caps which I mounted on the underside of the board to the ground of the power supply,which is easily distinguished.
    Digikey # P10270ND

    Do you have a photo of this with the wire routing, etc? You say caps? How many?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    The caps in C 550 and C 551 are simply removed,, you will need two caps for each op-amp,,I have 96 left,lol,,I mounted them on the underside of the board,, then just ran a wire from the "loose ends of the caps which were tied together to the ground from the power supply,, it was actually much simpler doing it than it was thinking about how/what to do,at least for me,,as I agonized for 2 days,until Fred "painted me a picture", then Ben came up with the idea of tying the cap ends/leads together and running the wire to ground.I'll try to get some more pics up.Looking back,, this entire mod can be performed in a hour,,, however it took me weeks due to parts on back order--hence the 96 spare caps :cool:

    H9-- the caps that I replaced(.1uf) are the opamp bypass caps,,it's not mandatory,,I just had the spare caps,so I replaced them,,I have 4 set aside for you,,along with some others.
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  • jerryj12
    jerryj12 Posts: 451
    edited February 2010
    Looks good George. I cant wait to hear it. :D
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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    george daniel wrote: »
    Next replace the two .1uf caps C122 & C 123 with 22uf/25 volt cpas,this will increse the ripple rejection.
    Aren't these replacement caps polar, or do I need NP. I purchased Digi-Key part # P11213-ND and these are definitely polar. Should I get something else?
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    IIRC I ordered non- polar for this specific applicarion. Although I am told that the polarized caps will work.
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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    george daniel wrote: »
    IIRC I ordered non- polar for this specific applicarion. Although I am told that the polarized caps will work.
    But where to put +? All other polar caps are + to the left, is that the correct way?
    Or is this it P1177-ND a bi-polar cap
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    I dunno,, but I'll find out,, are you that far along?
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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    Well, I have the Browndogs installed, the inductors out and jumped, removed C 550 & C 551
    I have ordered all new caps to replace these 15 year old ones since I am in there, including some Sonicaps, but this polar thing and the parallel and wire thing has me at a stand still:o. I guess I need pics:D
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    pm'd
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    George have you replaced the tiny yellow mylars around the Op-amps yet w/the Sonic caps? It appears to me the holes in the PCB are too small for the leads on even the smallest Sonic Caps and can't be drilled easily because the traces are so close together.

    Does this look like it might be an issue? Getting ready to start to get a parts list together for this and I want to take adv of the Sonicraft sale, but if they don;t work then I don;t want to be stuck with them.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    I should have them this week(sonicaos)-- I'll let you know the moment I find out,,I was thinking that the leads on the smaller sonicaps would be smaller in diameter,, guess we'll see.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    george daniel wrote: »
    I should have them this week(sonicaos)-- I'll let you know the moment I find out,,I was thinking that the leads on the smaller sonicaps would be smaller in diameter,, guess we'll see.

    My bud who helps me with these mods suggested this: If the new leads are too large in diameter to fit in the PCB holes, clip the old caps as close to the body as possible leaving a small part of the old lead in the PCB. That way you have something to solder the new lead to.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    george daniel
    You are my hero! I understand why you are so impatient to hear how this went for me, but I waited for weeks for your instructions:p So here is what I have to say:
    WOW!
    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
    Does this look like you. This sounds like THISnow, I can't wait for the burn-in.
    The hardest part of the whole thing was getting the old caps out :) Took more time than anything else.
    I also broke the little wire for the "lock on" light in front. I was trying to get it back in and it pulled right out. I have no idea how much impact the sonicaps made, you'll have to tell me.
    I can't even describe what I am hearing. Familiar music just doesn't sound so familiar any more. The detail and low end are the biggest impact that jumps out to me right now. These SDA 2's never sounded like this before.
    Thank you for making sure I understood about the wire jumping and where to put the caps on those op amps. It was nothing to do.

    Without you doing this mod first, I would never have heard this DAC sound like this. I knew I was always happy I had bought it new, but now it's a whole new piece of equipment.

    If you have one, do this mod. It really is pretty easy, and well worth it!!!
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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    My bud who helps me with these mods suggested this: If the new leads are too large in diameter to fit in the PCB holes, clip the old caps as close to the body as possible leaving a small part of the old lead in the PCB. That way you have something to solder the new lead to.

    H9
    Not to worry;)
    The leads fit just fine. They are smaller on the smaller caps.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    backsigns wrote: »
    Not to worry;)
    The leads fit just fine. They are smaller on the smaller caps.

    So you already replaced the yellow mylars around the op-amps with Sonicap Gen I's and the leads fit?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    Easily fit! Don't even worry about it. Just get the "Next you want to install 120uf/25 volt electrolytic caps to serve as local power supply reservoirs. the positive lead from the cap goes to pin 8(opamp) and the negative cap lead to pin 4.Then connect the remaining + and - leads on the caps,and tie them to ground.I ran a wire fron the caps which I mounted on the underside of the board to the ground of the power supply,which is easily distinguished." part, which is easy, easy, easy.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2010
    Pics or it didn't happen:)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    No camera:D...guess it didn't happen:p I listened to Gary Numan - The Pleasure Principle this morning and then again after the mod:eek:something sure happened!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,158
    edited February 2010
    Which Sonic caps did you order Gen I or Gen II? Trying to take adv of the sale which ends in a couple days.

    these are the values I need to replace the yellow mylars around the op-amps.

    (2) 0.022uF
    (2) 0.0039uF
    (2) 0.0027uF

    are those the values you guys got?

    H9

    P.s. George I'll be sending a PM shortly with the info you requested.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • backsigns
    backsigns Posts: 87
    edited February 2010
    I got Gen 1. Those are the correct caps
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    Wooooooooo Hoooooooooooooo,,, I would like to thank Fred,,again,,without his help and advice,,this would not have been possible. Hey backsigns,, glad it worked out for you too,, ain't that detail just incredable!!!Guys,, you gotta get your ears on one of these modded adcoms,,he,he,, post mod immediate gratification. Rock on.:)
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2010
    If anyone is interested, I have this DAC and im not currently using it. If anyone is interested, I would take 200 for it.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    i'll give you a hundred
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2010
    Im sorry, 100 is just way too low for this dac. Its in perfect condition and the last two ive seen sold for 230 and 285.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,091
    edited February 2010
    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlconv&1271811335&/Adcom-GDA-600-Digital-to-Analo

    sold for 150 dollars-- there is a Stan Warren modded one for 245,, good luck with your sale.BTW,, the way that you are approaching it(read the rules),is generally frowned upon here.I doubt that you will have any interest because your asking price is probabally too high. Good luck.
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  • aloutah
    aloutah Posts: 241
    edited February 2010
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96977&highlight=adcom+sda+600

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ADCOM-GDA-600-DAC-D-TO-A-CONVERTER-WORKS-GREAT_W0QQitemZ290405244972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439d80602c

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Adcom-GDA-600-Digital-to-Analog-Converter-USA-Nice_W0QQitemZ300396468374QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45f1065896
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