Question: Seperates vs. Reciever

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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    That Kenwood was missing the telephone and Blender options. You have to wonder about them when they make kitchen appliances.

    Back in the day I used to love Kenwood, they used to make some decent car stuff. In High school one of my friends had a set of Kenwood house speakers. Only house speakers I had ever heard that the bass would hurt my ears. On the other side of the fence time 1993 Receiver Kenwood speaks Cerwin Vega DX9s(used to DJ with them 104 db 1w@1m). The receiver would cut out any where above about 1/3 volume. sorry for the thread jack

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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    So I take it that it's not a definite thing....

    Depends, like everything, on which receiver & which separates~
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    Ah I see...

    Yeah, this discussion has been quite civil hasn't it :D. I can't recall ever having heard a Kenwood receiver at any time....they still make them I think don't they?
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited December 2009
    Kenwood AVRs are GONE! They've merged whatever audio the have left with, I think, JVC, to produce car stereo...

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited December 2009
    Almost two pages and nobody has said the word that starts with that letter after "D" yet...
    heiney9 wrote: »
    P.s. I'll add I have a good friend on this board who has built a vintage Yammy rig mostly for nostalgia so I'm not trying to "crap" on anyone's gear choice............just stating my view and trying to understand the rabinous like for Yammy.

    I have not seen the over-the-top support here for Yamaha. Having owned Yammi's for the better part of two decades, I will be the first to admit that there is better out there these days. Back in the day however, their build quality, product design, and performance were hard to beat for the price. Reliability in my case has been superb.

    My first foray into separates (two Sunfire amps/Sunfire pre/pro) has opened my eyes to the fact that Yamaha is better at building motorcycles and watercraft than they are at audio gear these days. The "RABINOUS" ones are fans of gear that starts with that letter which shall remain un-named.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    eggplant:p:rolleyes:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited December 2009
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    eggplant:p:rolleyes:
    Close brother... they both sound the same at least. I wonder which one explodes faster when you plug them into the wall socket.:D
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    fine Emoplant or is it Eggtiva
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited December 2009
    ^^^^lol!
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    Kenwood AVRs are GONE! They've merged whatever audio the have left with, I think, JVC, to produce car stereo...

    cnh

    Strange I swore I saw one....was it geez, 8 years ago now?!?! I was about to say recently, then I realized that it's been years.....
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    ^^^^lol!

    LOL.....what is wrong with brand "eggplant"?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    LOL.....what is wrong with brand "eggplant"?

    Eggplants are just the new flavor of the month. Very few actually like Eggplants, but those that do (Eggheads) react violently to what they perceive as Egging, or "Eggbashing".

    A broken Eggplant is called a Humpty-Dumpty for those of you that didn't know...
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    I never really like the looks of the Emoplants
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,890
    edited December 2009
    To the OP... sorry for the threadjack:o. I will stay on topic from now on.

    Dude... You are funny!:D:cool:
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    funny looking anyways
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    dudeinaroom wrote: »
    funny looking anyways

    Ah, lol....here's a variation of the topic....

    Whats the difference of using an external DAC with a CD Player vs. using the internal DAC?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    Ah, lol....here's a variation of the topic....

    Whats the difference of using an external DAC with a CD Player vs. using the internal DAC?

    It depends on the CD player and the external DAC. An inexpensive CD player used with a good external DAC will compete with a much more expensive CD player. Plus the external DAC will have multiple inputs giving you more flexibility by adding other digital sources.
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    It depends on the CD player and the external DAC. An inexpensive CD player used with a good external DAC will compete with a much more expensive CD player. Plus the external DAC will have multiple inputs giving you more flexibility by adding other digital sources.

    But what if your using a straight digital input?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    But what if your using a straight digital input?


    I do not understand the question. Straight digital input to what? The DAC? That is what a DAC takes. It is a Digital to Analog Convertor, so it needs a digital input, such as the digital ouput of a CD player.
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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited December 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I do not understand the question. Straight digital input to what? The DAC? That is what a DAC takes. It is a Digital to Analog Convertor, so it needs a digital input, such as the digital ouput of a CD player.


    No no, to a pre or a receiver....
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    No no, to a pre or a receiver....

    Okay. The CD digital out goes to the DAC, and the DAC analog output goes to the pre-amp or receiver, in this case the CD input, but any input should work.

    This means you are not using the receiver's dac's.
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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited December 2009
    I still rock my pop's old Pioneer sx-636 for 2ch music in my bedroom, thing is a beast and still sound's pretty damn good! :)
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I have not seen the over-the-top support here for Yamaha. Having owned Yammi's for the better part of two decades, I will be the first to admit that there is better out there these days. Back in the day however, their build quality, product design, and performance were hard to beat for the price. Reliability in my case has been superb.

    My first foray into separates (two Sunfire amps/Sunfire pre/pro) has opened my eyes to the fact that Yamaha is better at building motorcycles and watercraft than they are at audio gear these days.The "RABINOUS" ones are fans of gear that starts with that letter which shall remain un-named.

    If you got the cash to spend on a receiver the higher end Yammies are not bad at all and sound totally different than the "entry" model's ;) There is nothing wrong with the model i own :o It's built like a tank, has more feature's than i know what to do with (quite a bit for it's price range as well TBH), plenty of power (for an AVR), sleek look's and it's easy to use :)

    I see there is still the usual CP trolling here, it's so sad. Seriously....
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    I see there is still the usual CP trolling here, it's so sad. Seriously....

    That wasn't necessary you are just trying to stir up a shitstorm.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    sk1939 wrote: »
    Ah, lol....here's a variation of the topic....

    Whats the difference of using an external DAC with a CD Player vs. using the internal DAC?

    In most cases an external DAC should be better sounding than the internal one because of being an individual circuit. It has it's own power supply ,so it has no other sources to draw power from it. It also will not have electrical noise in the signal from the motor spinning and speeding up or slowing down. An ideal one, I would believe, would have separate power supplies for the analog and digital sections.

    in a nut shell anyways

    -dude
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited December 2009
    You should also have reprimanded the poster who got it started in post #36 and should not have done so. Both need to stop the idiocy.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,412
    edited December 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    That wasn't necessary you are just trying to stir up a shitstorm.

    Joe, that's what he does. And he has the nerve to call other long time members trolls :rolleyes:

    H9
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    I just ignore it. They can't troll if you don't respond.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    cfrizz wrote: »
    You should also have reprimanded the poster who got it started in post #36 and should not have done so. Both need to stop the idiocy.

    Hey, don't forget about the guy in post #37 egging it on.:eek:
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited December 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    That wasn't necessary you are just trying to stir up a shitstorm.

    :rolleyes: Really? NO NOT REALLY I aint that pathetic. :cool:
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Joe, that's what he does. And he has the nerve to call other long time members trolls :rolleyes:

    H9

    You guy's always post some ignorant little remark then when someone respond's to your stupidity/call's you out you deny everything, form a mini lynch mob and then call them a troll? Y'all need to put the pipe down and have a look at yourselve's/reality. Being delusional is the first sign of mental illness ROTFLMFAO

    So sad, so, so sad....
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    edited December 2009
    Couple of reasons for seperates:

    1. Generally better fidelity, as the manufacturer can focus on a single aspect. It's difficult to put all top-notch components into a workable single chasis (integrated), without it being the size of a mini-fridge.
    2. Flexibility. You like Carver amps, but prefer adcom preamps
    3. Upgradeability of just certain pieces; you like you're pre, but want to try a different amp. You want to mix tubes and ss; etc...
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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