Emotiva ERC-1
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megasat, are you serious, or just being a smarta$$ ragging on the fact that it is Chinese?
If you really want to know post a clearer picture, my wife is Chinese and could only make out "Do Not".
I have a guess it says do not open to avoid voiding the warranty, which you probably are assuming the same.
You think that is bad you should read some of the Chinese to English translations on some menus in many restaurants, they can really give you a chuckle. Commonly referred to as "Chinglish" for Chinese - English in a non demeaning way, just a description of a poor translation. Comes from the fact that some words, English and Chinese, have no word that translates to the other language. Also, in southern China due to the British presence in Hong Kong a lot of the English that is translated is from the British and are words/terms many of us have never heard.
Anyway if you want a better translation, post a clearer pic, and I can get it for you. -
pearsall001 wrote: »I didn't have the Oppo BDP-83 when I was evaluating the ERC-1. But if my audio memory serves me well...the ERC-1 would be my choice by a long shot.
Let me rephrase my previous statement a bit. I'm assuming that my audio memory is fairly decent? At least I think it is!
The Oppo BDP-83 is no slouch when it comes to two channel playback. Actually it's pretty darn good!!! I just wish I had both players at the same time to compare. But if someone is looking for a single player to handle all the playback venues (audio & video)...the Oppo is an excellent choice."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »Let me rephrase my previous statement a bit. I'm assuming that my audio memory is fairly decent? At least I think it is!
The Oppo BDP-83 is no slouch when it comes to two channel playback. Actually it's pretty darn good!!! I just wish I had both players at the same time to compare. But if someone is looking for a single player to handle all the playback venues (audio & video)...the Oppo is an excellent choice.
Thanks for adding this. I don't have the money for both, or even one at the moment, but I hope that changes and was thinking if the Oppo wasn't far behind the added video would make it the better bargain even if it wasn't quite the better 2 ch. Just another of the compromises we have to deal with at times. -
megasat, are you serious, or just being a smarta$$ ragging on the fact that it is Chinese?
Yes, I am being serious when I ask help for Chinese Translation.
And NO, I am not being a smarta$$ to make people aware of the fact that EMOTIVA products are Made in China. I think I can safely say almost every EMOTIVA owners knew about that and the company itself has announced it has factory in China and it's the main reason they can sell Emotiva products so cheaply. I am not sure but I think I've seen a label saying "Made in China" somewhere on the box or on the ERC-1 itself.If you really want to know post a clearer picture, my wife is Chinese and could only make out "Do Not".
I have a guess it says do not open to avoid voiding the warranty, which you probably are assuming the same.
I really want to know what the label said in Chinese and it's no joke! I appreciate if your wife can take a look at the label and do the proper translation.
I was guessing the same thing at first, "Do Not Open, Warranty Void If Seal Is Broken". But this kind of label is usually seen on the player and not only on the laser and loading assembly itself. Or may be Emotiva wants you to open the top cover for dusting the inside of it but left out the laser assembly untouched?
But then, I have a second thought. I recalled Emotiva designed the custom slot loading mechanism for use in ERC-1. For all I knew, this CD Player was bought as a B Stock and it's possible it's from the early Engineering Sample for Emotiva from factory in China. The label is there to caution the guys at Emotiva that the design of the laser and loading assembly is still in progress and warranty can't be made for the whole assembly yet. But I am here to find out if your wife can interpret the Chinese for me.You think that is bad you should read some of the Chinese to English translations on some menus in many restaurants, they can really give you a chuckle. Commonly referred to as "Chinglish" for “Chinese - English” in a non demeaning way, just a description of a poor translation. Comes from the fact that some words, English and Chinese, have no word that translates to the other language. Also, in southern China due to the British presence in Hong Kong a lot of the English that is translated is from the British and are words/terms many of us have never heard.
Anyway if you want a better translation, post a clearer pic, and I can get it for you.
Never been to China but been to HongKong and got lost in translation in many Chinese Restaurant there.
But I love the foods even when I didn't get what I wanted to order.
Things do get lost in Translation sometimes but it's nothing I couldn't live with.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
pearsall001 wrote: »I'll keep this short & sweet...the ERC-1 is one fine player. It's build quality including the remote (other manuf. should take note here) were first rate & really weren't expected at the players selling point. Kudo's to EMO here.
Now for the players sound quality...without getting over technical...the player simply conveyed the music in a very convincing manner. It allowed me to simply sit back in my chair & just enjoy what I was listening to. I don't know if it stood out in any one particular area, it just covered the whole audible spectrum very well & without any listening fatigue what so ever. The soundstage & imaging were very convincing. It's overall sound showed no hint of brightness, or being too laid back, it was simply just enjoyable to listen to.
Simply put, the ERC-1 is a well designed product that does exactly what it's supposed to do...get one's toes tapping & bee-bopping to the music. I think one could spend a lot more without obtaining any better results. Highly recommended to anyone looking for a new single disc player.
I agree and some of the surprises for me was a 5 year transferable warranty and the error correction. I used some pretty bad disks that I could not play on my other players and also used the Check CD System that was documented in my evaluation as key differentiators for the ERC versus other products in this price range.:) -
Yes, I am being serious when I ask help for Chinese Translation.
And NO, I am not being a smarta$$ to make people aware of the fact that EMOTIVA products are Made in China......
Never been to China but been to HongKong and got lost in translation in many Chinese Restaurant there. But I love the foods even when I didn't get what I wanted to order.
Things do get lost in Translation sometimes but it's nothing I couldn't live with.
I didn't think it was about the Emo China relationship, as much as I was thinking it was tongue in cheek humor on the poor translation. I didn't want to look like an idiot (I often do:p) responding seriously to something that was asked in jest.:D
The best she can do is:
"Do not open. If not authorized by the owners or warranty is void."
Now it makes me wonder if this drive and laser is Emo design/production, or a purchased component. I asked if it had anything to do with a warning about the dangers of laser to eyes and she said "NO".
So it is a warranty issue, but for some reason I have a feeling it is someone else's warranty other than Emo.
I hear ya about the food, (love it) but sometimes it's best to just give it a try if it looks good, and skip trying to figure out what it is.;) -
First of all, I wanted to thanks to Dane and the fellow polkies for making this demo happen!
Secondly, I want to urge anyone considering ERC-1 to trust their ears before taking anyone elses review (here in Club Polk or any online forums or any magazines) highly! After all, your enjoyment is all that matters and youll be the one paying for it!
But at costing nearly $400 for the stand alone CD Player, there may be other players (especially multi-format player such as blu-ray player or dvd player) that can competes well with the ERC-1 build quality and sonic quality.
Before you decide to shell out $400 on the CD player only, just make sure you have explored other options and try to demo them before making your final decision with your purchase.
EMOTIVA offers 30 Days in home trial so take advantage of their offer and you be the judge of how it sounds in your system. You will be losing the cost of shipping if you dont like it but its a small investment for an in home demo at your convenient time.
Lastly, I want to remind you to read the 2nd paragraph again before reading what's written below. It's your own ears you need to trust and not anyone else reviews!
After having said all the unnecessary craps above, I wanted to express my opinions (yes, they are my opinions and impressions) on ERC-1. Please do ask questions if you disagree with my opinions or simply have questions.
And do keep in mind that it's definitely OK to me if you can't agree with me and I am happy to agree to disagree. But please don't try to change my personal opinions and impressions since they are my opinions and my impressions! In all fairness, I am not trying to change yours and you shouldn't try to change mine too.
About ERC-1 Packaging
ERC-1 is safely packed in custom made solid white foam inserts that fits around the CD player nicely. The factory box is doubled boxed so it can be shipped safely for many times across the U.S. I believe the whole package weights about 24LBs but the packaging is solid for 17LBs CD Player.
ERC-1 Outer Appearance
ERC-1 weights about 17lbs so its quite a hefty weight for a CD player in this price range. The appearance of ERC-1 resembles to any EMOTIVA products Ive seen thus far. Its squared black anodized aluminum face plate emphasized by two small silver trims (which reminds me of the Monster Power Amplifiers and Power Conditioners) looks a bit different from most other audio gears but typical of the EMOTIVA design. The big EMOTIVA engraved sign can be seen from a good distance too. The only thing more noticeable than the EMOTIVA sign is the ultra bright Blue lights illuminating the buttons and the display. I am glad I can turn off the ultra bright lights during the demo but I think its better if I can dim the brightness instead of turning it off completely.
Around the back, there are a variety of connectors to hook up the ERC-1 to preamps and AVRs / Receivers or even external DAC. There is a plug in power line connecter, two sets of RCA audio output connectors, one set of balanced type XLR connector, one Coax Type SPDIF connector and one Optical TOSLINK connector.
Inside The ERC-1
I carefully removed the screws around the chassis to pop the top cover open so I can take several pictures of the guts inside ERC-1. The components layout is good and the power section is isolated from the DSP (DSP board is fully enclosed behind the loading mechanism and laser assembly) and the Analog section inside the player. The Circuit Board layout looks clean and neat. The quality of PCB boards seems good too. But unfortunately, I am afraid I cant say the same for the components used on the PCB boards since I am not seeing the usual Nichicon, Panasonic or Elma brands on the PCB. Most components used in the power section and critical analog section seem to be sourced from Chinese Manufacturers but if these are sourced from respectable Chinese Manufactures, the sonic quality of this CD player should be no less. A lot of Electronics Equipments are now manufactured in China and chinese stuff is gaining ground and popularity across the Globe. I have no reason to look down on any Chinese Made stuff. I just wanted to make sure it's of good quality parts used in the Chinese Made stuff!
Anyway, how it sounds is all that matter for me at the end so I put the top cover back on and started the demo.
How does ERC-1 sound?
In short, ERC-1 sounds Very Good to Excellent when listening through LSi25 towers in my HT room! It sounds Beautiful! It sounds very clear, very detailed, and neither warm nor bright. I can also feel the frequency response is very good and fairly flat. It reveals almost every element in the music and I almost felt its very natural sounding. The 2D soundstage is wide and very impressive too.
But there is one major disappointment that offsets all of the strong points in this player for me. It lacks imaging - it lacks 3D imaging and depth! Its very natural but fairly flat 2D sounding. I am very accustomed to 3D soundstage with my equipments. I am fairly familiar with the music tracks I used in the demo. Usually, I could close my eyes, listen to the music and I could feel the physical locations of the musicians (drummers, guitarists, vocalists; etc.) as in the live performances. LSi25 is very good 3D sounding speakers with most equipments Ive tried. So, I thought synergy is playing tricks on me and I swapped out several RCA cables but things do not seems to improve considerable to me.
I dont think its the design flaw but suspects a couple of things - the cheap components or the unit we demoed havent been fully burn in yet! It usually takes about 100 hours for electronics components to burn in so it may be an issue. I only tested the player for about 2 hours (4 sessions with 30 minutes each listening sessions)
How does ERC-1 compared to other players I tried?
Along side ERC-1, I tried a few CD players and Multi-disc players for A/B comparison. Some of these players cost many times more or at least a couple of times more than what ERC-1 costs. From the A/B comparisons, ERC-1 stands on its own ground without losing out a lot to some well known players. The only issue with ERC-1 for me is the lack of 3D imaging and depth.
Pros and Cons
Pros : Nice Sounding with good frequency response, Detailed and Neutral sounding CD Player. Solid Build Quality, Aluminum chassis, Affordable price!
Cons : Lacks 3D image and depth. Slot loading mechanism is a turn off to me. Ultra Bright Blue Lights could use some kind of dimmer!
Associated Equipments Used in HT room
Yahama RX-V1700 AVR used as preamp / processor (used in pure direct mode for 2 channels listening)
Pioneer Elite M-91 Power Amplifier (tested for 2 channel pure direct stereo mode)
Parasound HCA-2205A Power Amplifier (used during DSP assisted 7 channels stereo)
I know I should probably take ERC-1 to my 2 channel rooms and give it some thought but I simply dont have much time to demo it further. But I dont think it will change my mind with equipments in my 2 channel rooms.
Other Players Tested Against ERC-1- Pioneer DV-79AVi
- Rotel RCD-1072 HDCD Player
- ML36 Transport and ML37 DAC
Music Tracks- Hotel California
- Foreign Vocal Track (unknown titles)
- 2L Music Sampler CD
- Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms HDCD
- Several Classical CDs by Mozart and Beethoven
- A few select tracks from Audiophile Discs Collections
Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I didn't think it was about the Emo China relationship, as much as I was thinking it was tongue in cheek humor on the poor translation. I didn't want to look like an idiot (I often do:p) responding seriously to something that was asked in jest.:D
The best she can do is:
"Do not open. If not authorized by the owners or warranty is void."
Now it makes me wonder if this drive and laser is Emo design/production, or a purchased component. I asked if it had anything to do with a warning about the dangers of laser to eyes and she said "NO".
So it is a warranty issue, but for some reason I have a feeling it is someone else's warranty other than Emo.
I hear ya about the food, (love it) but sometimes it's best to just give it a try if it looks good, and skip trying to figure out what it is.;)
Yep, I usually try Chinese foods based on how good they look. I'll tell you, it always doesn't work well for me.
Thanks to you and your wife for a better and proper translation of the Chinese syntax found on the label!
I also think it's something to do with the warranty for the loading mechanism and laser assembly and not the poor translation. I guess I could register in the EMO forum and ask them over there or some Emotiva Forums members in CP can help out answering my curiosity.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Nice write up megasat16.
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hearingimpared wrote: »Nice write up megasat16.
+1
It also reminded me of a couple nit-picks that I failed to mention.
I did note the eff off bright lights, but I failed to mention the lack of a dimmer.
The other item was more of a "what if?"
Considering the low price of admission, I'd love to see what a ModWright massage would yield for the SQ, with upgrades to the caps and such. I'd also love to hear what it would sound like with a tube output stage added.
All of the write-ups so far, have been good info. Hopefully the only concrete conclusions we convey to the curious, is that the only way to know how it sounds, is to try it. Don't take our words for gospel, be it positive, or negative. -
Other Players Tested Against ERC-1[/SIZE]
- Pioneer DV-79AVi
- Rotel RCD-1072 HDCD Player
- ML36 Transport and ML37 DAC
Mega,
Would you say the Rotel 1072 imaged that much better than the ERC-1? They seem to be similar in price, given somebody would be buying a used Rotel... -
I didn't think it was about the Emo China relationship, as much as I was thinking it was tongue in cheek humor on the poor translation. I didn't want to look like an idiot (I often do:p) responding seriously to something that was asked in jest.:D
The best she can do is:
"Do not open. If not authorized by the owners or warranty is void."
Now it makes me wonder if this drive and laser is Emo design/production, or a purchased component. I asked if it had anything to do with a warning about the dangers of laser to eyes and she said "NO".
So it is a warranty issue, but for some reason I have a feeling it is someone else's warranty other than Emo.
I hear ya about the food, (love it) but sometimes it's best to just give it a try if it looks good, and skip trying to figure out what it is.;)
Hey gang,
I am not sure exactly what point is being made on the drive and laser being EMO or third party. Many of the components are third party as with all manufacturers such as power supply, DAC Analog Devices or Burr Brown etc, Capacitors, slot load mechanism but there are unique elements in the design architecture and the software for example. The entire ERC-1 unit is under a Emotiva 5 year warranty and it is not part and parcel. We buy from Emotiva and they warranty the entire device for 5 years.
I promise you all I am not trying to interfere but would like to make an effort to keep it all honest. I personally try not to find fault in other technologies and appreciate that we have choices. I think that competition breeds the quality we all want and some companies are doing that and finding a way to make it affordable. I personally can afford to spend more on audio but just never let it have that much priority on my discretionary income and have now found with the Emotiva brand that I can do a lot of upgrading and not derail other priorities in the family (With all girls I am always out-numbered with my electronics).
There have been some questions regarding ERC vs Oppo BDP 83 and here is a link to a poll where only ERC and Oppo owners are supposed to vote.
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=media&action=display&thread=5292
There are lots of threads regarding other players and many high end players. All evaluations are not created equal and for me I tried to research how to evaluate a CD player in my review and gave references for all my work. I tried to make sure to present honest only results as I was going to return the unit if it was not worthy. I think it is also worth mentioning that Emotiva flys to China to give final sign-off on a product before it goes to production.
They design in America and have it built in China but go there as required to sign off on the manufacturing process. What is really cool is that they share all that with their customers on an open basis. This is also a differentiator and I like this form of open communications. I personally am a B&W Nautilus Speakers fan and own the 804 series but B&W does not tell anyone squat about what is coming up or have any kind of open dialogue with their customers.
I personally place a high value on this accessibility to the head office. Cool again! This is also part of how I personally placed value on this product. Emotiva does manufacture speakers but there is no way I am parting with my B&W's as my mains but the processors, amps, cd, subs and other planned products have my undivided attention.
This is good conversation though and I like the civil nature of it with this group.:) -
Hi stick! Do you really live in St. Inigoes? I live in Lexington Park off Great Mills Road. I tried to send you a PM but it appears you haven't been here long enough or choose not to to receive PM's.
Either way, it is nice to see a "local" guy on line here. By the way, nice write up you linked to. You wouldn't be an engineer at Webster or Pax?
Gordon2 Channel -
Martin Logan Spire, 2 JL Audio F112 subs
McIntosh C1000 Controller with Tube pre amp, 2 MC501 amplifiers, MD1K Transport & DAC, MR-88 Tuner
WireWorld Eclipse 6.0 speaker wire and jumpers, Eclipse 5^2 Squared Balanced IC's. Silver Eclipse PCs (5)
Symposium Rollerblocks 2+ (16)Black Diamond Racing Mk 3 pits (8) -
Yeah, some good stuff there.I'd be surprised if it's not nearly unanimous that the ERC wins but what do I know as I don't own both .. .
Ummm.....Yeah ok.I have both the SACD and CD versions of the Beatles "love" album. (they come together (pun intended) as a package with the SACD purchase)
Ummm......It was never released on SACD.I will be surprised if on almost any system the ERC-1 will not sound superior.
Hilarious!I still say even if SACD (or DSD) provided any advantage, the analog section of the ERC should more than trump it.
Obviously has no idea of what he's talking about.Wouldn't the two channel downmixed version of the DVD-Audio thru the analog MC analog outs be PCM?
Ummm.....DVD-A is a PCM format.That being said, I have found on my system, that the ERC plays roughly 12db's higher than my Oppo.
12dB's higher! Ouch.
Sorry for the slight derail, but sticknstones did open the door. I have to say I'm not impressed with the knowledge in that thread.
Megasat16, this should help answer your question.The Laser, transport and servo are all made by OVK laser systems. The laser, transport and servo come as a preset unit because the transport is a special magnet loader system that is only manufactured by OVK.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Yeah, some good stuff there.
12dB's higher! Ouch.
Sorry for the slight derail, but sticknstones did open the door. I have to say I'm not impressed with the knowledge in that thread.
Megasat16, this should help answer your question.
Hi there,
One of the calibrations that I did on my AB tests was to use my voltmeter to calibrate a reference level on the ERC. The way I did that was to put the voltmeter in the millivolt setting, use the prongs on my speaker posts and adjust the volume to where I was as close to 1.000mv as possible. Once you do that for one device then you repeat it for the next device but do not change the volume just read the output on the second device and it should be within 10% tolerance. In my case it was and I could then proceed without knowing that a spiked db difference would impact my listening observations as I toggled back and forth between players.
Once again, all about trying to be credible and most of the ERC reviews on the Emotiva forum are superlative oriented. I did not nor do I personally bash anyone for what they do except try to present a combination of qualitative and quantitative approaches that can be applied to provide a more optimum result.
I do not own the OPPO yet but do hope to. I do like have learning conversations with folks on this and what I have learned in the last couple of years has been achieved by the abundance of information on the internet and good dialogue with others that share the interest.:)
There is no way I would ever get in a spat with anyone but do want to learn from folks in an upbeat manner. -
Hi stick! Do you really live in St. Inigoes? I live in Lexington Park off Great Mills Road. I tried to send you a PM but it appears you haven't been here long enough or choose not to to receive PM's.
Either way, it is nice to see a "local" guy on line here. By the way, nice write up you linked to. You wouldn't be an engineer at Webster or Pax?
Gordon
Yeah, I am living the dream. I live on the waterfront with my sailboat tied to my pier and am sponsoring some oyster beds this year as part of the chesapeake bay conservation efforts. I actually work in IT for a large storage vendor but work from home a lot or in SFO.
Here are some pics and open to having a beer sometime! I know Great Mills Road very well! My daughter goes to Great Mills HS!:)
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stick, I don't want to clog this thread. Perhaps after you get enough posts or accept PM's, we'll get together for a brew. Your view is much nicer than mine!
Gordon2 Channel -
Martin Logan Spire, 2 JL Audio F112 subs
McIntosh C1000 Controller with Tube pre amp, 2 MC501 amplifiers, MD1K Transport & DAC, MR-88 Tuner
WireWorld Eclipse 6.0 speaker wire and jumpers, Eclipse 5^2 Squared Balanced IC's. Silver Eclipse PCs (5)
Symposium Rollerblocks 2+ (16)Black Diamond Racing Mk 3 pits (8) -
sticknstones wrote: »Hey gang,
I am not sure exactly what point is being made on the drive and laser being EMO or third party. Many of the components are third party as with all manufacturers such as power supply, DAC Analog Devices or Burr Brown etc, Capacitors, slot load mechanism but there are unique elements in the design architecture and the software for example. The entire ERC-1 unit is under a Emotiva 5 year warranty and it is not part and parcel. We buy from Emotiva and they warranty the entire device for 5 years.
I promise you all I am not trying to interfere but would like to make an effort to keep it all honest. I personally try not to find fault in other technologies and appreciate that we have choices. I think that competition breeds the quality we all want and some companies are doing that and finding a way to make it affordable. I personally can afford to spend more on audio but just never let it have that much priority on my discretionary income and have now found with the Emotiva brand that I can do a lot of upgrading and not derail other priorities in the family (With all girls I am always out-numbered with my electronics).
There have been some questions regarding ERC vs Oppo BDP 83 and here is a link to a poll where only ERC and Oppo owners are supposed to vote.
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=media&action=display&thread=5292
There are lots of threads regarding other players and many high end players. All evaluations are not created equal and for me I tried to research how to evaluate a CD player in my review and gave references for all my work. I tried to make sure to present honest only results as I was going to return the unit if it was not worthy. I think it is also worth mentioning that Emotiva flys to China to give final sign-off on a product before it goes to production.
They design in America and have it built in China but go there as required to sign off on the manufacturing process. What is really cool is that they share all that with their customers on an open basis. This is also a differentiator and I like this form of open communications. I personally am a B&W Nautilus Speakers fan and own the 804 series but B&W does not tell anyone squat about what is coming up or have any kind of open dialogue with their customers.
I personally place a high value on this accessibility to the head office. Cool again! This is also part of how I personally placed value on this product. Emotiva does manufacture speakers but there is no way I am parting with my B&W's as my mains but the processors, amps, cd, subs and other planned products have my undivided attention.
This is good conversation though and I like the civil nature of it with this group.:)
As a highly technical oriented person with a good enginnering background, I am the kind of guy who is interested in the finer details of how things work.
Despite the fact Emotiva offers 5 years transferable warranty, an owner would not want to call Emotiva every now and then for warranty service, am I correct? And waiting for the gears to be serviced by Emotiva, it must sucks bad for anyone!
I don't know if there is any reason for me to cover up ERC-1 short comings as a reviewer but you as an ERC-1 owner may look pass it's short comings and embrace it as a good product for you, by all means you are welcome to it!
I am not trying to diminish the value of ERC-1 for it's short comings or praise ERC-1 for it's strong points. It's not what we wanted with this Demo. We wanted an honest and truthful discussion of our experience with ERC-1, may it good or bad. Since this is a review thread, I am sure you aware that we are not interested in the Emotiva Customer Service and marketing and how cool they are, etc.
As far as ERC-1 against other players such as Oppo BDP-83, I don't believe a fair assessment can be made till the interested party heard both players with his / her own ears. I also don't think a link to the Emotiva forum regarding this kind of comparison will be highly regarded since it's not in the Neutral Zone. I think someone in Oppo Forum (if Oppo has a forum) would make up a similar poll and put Emotiva to shame.
Anyway, thanks for posting the pictures of your backyard. You have a very beautiful backyard with a nice landscape and a nice boat. Since you said you are living a dream and have a mean to spend more for Audio, I really wanted to suggest you try different gears and you may be pleasantly surprised from what you are missing.
So, Good Luck!Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Megasat16, this should help answer your question.
Thanks F1! I kind of suspected it's the case with the labels on the drive and laser assembly. The label must be there to warn the guys at Emotiva not to take a peek inside. Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Mega,
Would you say the Rotel 1072 imaged that much better than the ERC-1? They seem to be similar in price, given somebody would be buying a used Rotel...
How much is "that much" better? J/K.
It's not an easy question for me to answer. Both ERC-1 and RCD-1072 has it's merits and demerits. RCD-1072 is warm sounding CDP to me when the ERC-1 sounds more neutral to me. If you have a bright system, rotel will tame it down but ERC-1 won't. So, it all depends. But when it comes to 3D imaging, I think RCD-1072 has an edge to ERC-1.
Now, don't take my words on it. I wanted you to listen with your own ears to both of them in your own rig and decide. Something I like may be something you dislike.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
megasat, are you serious, or just being a smarta$$ ragging on the fact that it is Chinese?
If you really want to know post a clearer picture, my wife is Chinese and could only make out "Do Not".
I have a guess it says do not open to avoid voiding the warranty, which you probably are assuming the same.
You think that is bad you should read some of the Chinese to English translations on some menus in many restaurants, they can really give you a chuckle. Commonly referred to as "Chinglish" for Chinese - English in a non demeaning way, just a description of a poor translation. Comes from the fact that some words, English and Chinese, have no word that translates to the other language. Also, in southern China due to the British presence in Hong Kong a lot of the English that is translated is from the British and are words/terms many of us have never heard.
Anyway if you want a better translation, post a clearer pic, and I can get it for you.
Mega's just kidding and the Chinese text is too blurry to translate...I could probably get that done. As for Chinglish..hey, I'm surrounded by it...?
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I didn't think it was about the Emo China relationship, as much as I was thinking it was tongue in cheek humor on the poor translation. I didn't want to look like an idiot (I often do:p) responding seriously to something that was asked in jest.:D
The best she can do is:
"Do not open. If not authorized by the owners or warranty is void."
Now it makes me wonder if this drive and laser is Emo design/production, or a purchased component. I asked if it had anything to do with a warning about the dangers of laser to eyes and she said "NO".
So it is a warranty issue, but for some reason I have a feeling it is someone else's warranty other than Emo.
I hear ya about the food, (love it) but sometimes it's best to just give it a try if it looks good, and skip trying to figure out what it is.;)
I really should read these threads all the way through...but that's a good translation....Do not open without authorization (would be another rendering).
Or Do not open (if you do not have authorization) either way....you get the meaning.....I love Chinese translations...
I have a Photo of me here in front of the 'Convenient Hotel'!
Better yet is a fence sign at the Olympic complex that reads "Beware of safety"
Or something like that.
Great review Mega....
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What river are you on?I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
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sticknstones wrote: »Yeah, I am living the dream. I live on the waterfront with my sailboat tied to my pier and am sponsoring some oyster beds this year as part of the chesapeake bay conservation efforts. I actually work in IT for a large storage vendor but work from home a lot or in SFO.
Here are some pics and open to having a beer sometime! I know Great Mills Road very well! My daughter goes to Great Mills HS!:)
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sticknstones wrote: »Hey gang,
I am not sure exactly what point is being made on the drive and laser being EMO or third party. Many of the components are third party as with all manufacturers such as power supply,....... We buy from Emotiva and they warranty the entire device for 5 years.
This is good conversation though and I like the civil nature of it with this group.:)
No "point" was trying to be made by me, and while I can not speak for megasat, I don't think he was making an issue of it either. I think we all understand various components are sourced out by Emo and other manufactures to their design specs. Actually I think in this case it is probably a good thing that the drive/laser assembly is sourced as a unit. All it means is that the drive unit would probably be replaced as a complete unit for as long as the unit is under warranty by the manufacture which may be the same 5 years, less, or maybe even longer to Emo. Also possible that Emo's support staff have been trained by the manufacture to make repairs/adjustments as required. It really doesn't matter as the customer has a 5 year warranty on the entire ERC-1, we know this. Just an observation to better understand the ERC-1.
Yes I am finding this thread to be of value as well, and really enjoy the fact that for the most part it is staying on topic and informative, and is really driving home the point that system synergy, room characteristics, individual tastes, and ears is what determines the SQ of any gear, not spec sheets or others opinions. -
How much is "that much" better? J/K.
It's not an easy question for me to answer. Both ERC-1 and RCD-1072 has it's merits and demerits. RCD-1072 is warm sounding CDP to me when the ERC-1 sounds more neutral to me. If you have a bright system, rotel will tame it down but ERC-1 won't. So, it all depends. But when it comes to 3D imaging, I think RCD-1072 has an edge to ERC-1.
Now, don't take my words on it. I wanted you to listen with your own ears to both of them in your own rig and decide. Something I like may be something you dislike.
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No "point" was trying to be made by me, and while I can not speak for megasat, I don't think he was making an issue of it either. I think we all understand various components are sourced out by Emo and other manufactures to their design specs. Actually I think in this case it is probably a good thing that the drive/laser assembly is sourced as a unit. All it means is that the drive unit would probably be replaced as a complete unit for as long as the unit is under warranty by the manufacture which may be the same 5 years, less, or maybe even longer to Emo. Also possible that Emo's support staff have been trained by the manufacture to make repairs/adjustments as required. It really doesn't matter as the customer has a 5 year warranty on the entire ERC-1, we know this. Just an observation to better understand the ERC-1.
Yes I am finding this thread to be of value as well, and really enjoy the fact that for the most part it is staying on topic and informative, and is really driving home the point that system synergy, room characteristics, individual tastes, and ears is what determines the SQ of any gear, not spec sheets or others opinions.
Nice note and that is the power of these forums when we can have differences that we discuss and explain rather than debate like there needs to be a winner. It is not about getting folks to agree that one product is the supreme product but why it works for our individual situations. I like Emotiva because it gives me quality, service, and performance at a price I am personally willing to spend. It works for me. -
MillerLiteScott wrote: »What river are you on?
I am on Molls cove right across from Webster field and a few hundred feet from St. Mary's river. We like to do short sails to St. Mary's University in horseshoe bay and longer sails........well St. Mary's goes to the Potomac then the Chesapeake and from there it is one big adventure! Ah dew dig it!:)
