Adcom vs Parasound vs Emotiva vs Sunfire vs Outlaw?
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OK...Bye. :rolleyes:
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LOL!!! Changed my mind....;) I like the sound of my RT7s too much... -
Oh man you guy's hurted my feeling's! ROTFLMFAOMedia Room 7.1
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Me thinks the maturity level of CP has taken a big dive of late.:(Testing
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Me thinks the maturity level of CP has taken a big dive of late.:(
Bingo! From trying to help a fellow Polkie get his system figured out to a bunch of macho posturing over who does or doesn't know what.
Some of you all need to take a break or just plain grow up!:rolleyes:Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »the XPA-2 (NEW) will not out perform the Adcom GFA-5802 (USED). all my gear in my rig is used and looks and performs as NEW, and I spent about $2000 for it all. TT, Pre (2 of them) Amp and CDP.
That's news to me. Over the years I have listened to the Adcoms vs Hafler (when they were still in the market) and NAD. Never cared for the Adcom personally.
Just like I don't care for majority of Paradigm or Mirage vs the comparable PSB's I have been able to A/B from our distributors.
Does it mean that Adcom/Paradigm/Mirage are under performing? No, just a preference and approach thing. It simply means that I don't care for their design approach.
Still, I would rather put $4K into speakers and $1K into amplification rather than the other way around. -
Nothing wrong with buying 'used/refurbished' gear concealer. I have and saved some coin in the process. To each their own though.
Haha, oh i know... was adressing more towards Stilllearning at that point. I think my subs were the only new things in my system, and coincidentally, they're what i'm trying to get rid of right now.
I don't have the budget for new stuff, and used equipment is way more interesting to me, anyways. I can try a lot more of it for cheaper! I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii
Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999
Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3
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To the OP:
Check out this thread and then this particular post in that thread. Simply put the pendulum swings wide and personal preferences are just that. Use your ears. -
I would not contaminate my system with any Emotiva product. If you don't have the cash on hand to buy something good you should either save more or work smarter and then make good purchases.
Unless you are the type thats says "it's good enough" then I guess Emotiva is the way to go.
The sad thing is you guys just don't get it. I have no dog in this fight but had to speak up. Most members here try to share good information and or learn then again we have the others. -
I would not contaminate my system with any Emotiva product. If you don't have the cash on hand to buy something good you should either save more or work smarter and then make good purchases.
Unless you are the type thats says "it's good enough" then I guess Emotiva is the way to go.
The sad thing is you guys just don't get it. I have no dog in this fight but had to speak up. Most members here try to share good information and or learn then again we have the others.
Some guys do get it:
Dawgfish in this post and jimmydep in this post
They get that you simply have to let your ears be the judge. -
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »The ignore list is a great thing... Thanks Mike!!! 3 in one day.
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speakergeek wrote: »Yeah it works pretty well.
So do Emotiva product's from what i hear!
With the cash i save on buying an Emotiva amp i could get those $500/pair speaker cable's Media Room 7.1
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I would not contaminate my system with any Emotiva product. If you don't have the cash on hand to buy something good you should either save more or work smarter and then make good purchases.
Unless you are the type thats says "it's good enough" then I guess Emotiva is the way to go.
The sad thing is you guys just don't get it. I have no dog in this fight but had to speak up. Most members here try to share good information and or learn then again we have the others.
Ok not that I want to get into this argument, but I have to say not everyone can do this. I have a 9 yr old and a 6 month old baby. There are more important things to me than blowing the walls out of my home. I did however get on this forum to learn more about a hobby I really enjoy. I want to add the best 5 channel amp I can to my system but I'm not going over the 400 amount. Even If I did work smarter or save money, I couldn't see myself putting it all toward this...sorry, no disrespect intended.
What I would like to learn is what the best 5 channel amp in the $400 range that would compliment my system. I could care less if it's used (not abused). If an Emo isn't the ticket then what would the best brand, used or new, should I keep an eye out for? Thanks.
Samsung LN550 LCD
Onkyo TX705
Polk Monitor 70's mains
Polk CS2 center
Polk OWM3 surrounds
Velodyne VRP1000 and Velodyne VRP1200 subs
TV: Samsung LN40A550
Mains: Polk Monitor 70's
Center: Polk CS2
Surrounds: Polk OWM3's
Receiver: Onkyo TX sr705
BDP: Sony S350
Subs: Velodyne VRP1200 and VRP1000
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I've been doing more and more reading on other forums/websites and reading reviews from respected testers at AVS, Sound & Vision and also taking into consideration all of your helpful insight, and I'm thinking that for my specific needs that the Outlaw 7700 amp combined with the Outlaw 990 pre/pro would give me more of what I am looking for over the Sunfire.
When it comes to all of you, if any of you had any experience with the Outlaw 7700 and their pre/pro combinations versus the Sunfire amp and their pre/pro's for HT what did you experience? -
Some good info in this thread, and a whole lot of crap as well. The signal to noise ratio around here has gone to ****.
The amp is not your problem. That amp should be powering all of your speakers, and it will do it well. Maybe even better than any of the amps you're considering. Frankly, selling that amp and getting the others you listed would be a downgrade. That amp could be the last amp you ever need to buy. That's right, I said it.
Make sure your system is calibrated properly, get some acoustic treatments. Then if you still aren't happy with it, consider a different preamp, source, power conditioning/deticated circuit, or the LSi line. -
Some good info in this thread, and a whole lot of crap as well. The signal to noise ratio around here has gone to ****.
The amp is not your problem. That amp should be powering all of your speakers, and it will do it well. Maybe even better than any of the amps you're considering. Frankly, selling that amp and getting the others you listed would be a downgrade. That amp could be the last amp you ever need to buy. That's right, I said it.
Make sure your system is calibrated properly, get some acoustic treatments. Then if you still aren't happy with it, consider a different preamp, source, power conditioning/deticated circuit, or the LSi line.
Thanks, that's why I am going to be doing next weekend is have someone from Boston come in and professional calibrate my room.
When it comes to the RTi A9 versus the LSi series, I read on this forum and other forums that the RTi A9's and RTi series in general is better for HT movies and the LSi series is better for music, I could be wrong but that's what I read. I also read it takes more power to drive the LSi's as well. My system I primarily use for tv/sports, movies/dvd/bluray. -
The signal to noise ratio around here has gone to ****.
THD + N in CP = 101% of the original signal
It's downright wrong to where we are heading.
Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Bottom line man is do whatever pleases you. It is your system, your money and your ears. Ultimately you and you alone need to have confidence in your choices. You have received great advice from quite a few here, telling you that your amp is good enough and you do not need to worry about it(I agree with this perspective) and others trying to get you to do otherwise. Each of these manufacturers have their strong suits and weaknesses, but you get to make that call. Sunfire IMHO is far more musical than some of the others, and THAT is where my heart lies. For others, they prefer a more in your face type of amp, and thats ok too. But nobody's experience is worth anything if you don't listen to what they are saying, and nobody's experience should spend YOUR money.
You have some great choices when it comes to gear. My advice is to take your Sunfire with you and visit a few places selling the gear you are most interested in and compare it with the others and make your call. And most importantly... Have some FUN with this.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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digitalvideo wrote: »Thanks, that's why I am going to be doing next weekend is have someone from Boston come in and professional calibrate my room.
When it comes to the RTi A9 versus the LSi series, I read on this forum and other forums that the RTi A9's and RTi series in general is better for HT movies and the LSi series is better for music, I could be wrong but that's what I read. I also read it takes more power to drive the LSi's as well. My system I primarily use for tv/sports, movies/dvd/bluray.
The RTiA line are excellent speakers and the difference between them and the LSi is not as great as some of Polk's classic lines. But, the LSi is a great speaker for home theater as well. That Vifa tweeter is something special.
Your Sunfire amp will power the LSi line well, but I think you may want to experiment with some of the other things I mentioned before you start thinking speakers. You've got some fine gear there, the key is going to be finding the right synergy.
You can calibrate the system yourself with a cheap SPL meter. It's a good thing to have if you are serious about home theater. -
$400 on a great amp. Doesn't break the budget and sounds better than all mentioned in the thread."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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Any hints?I can show you a $400 amp that will be more musical than any mentioned in the title of this thread.Testing
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I'd like to know as well! Don't forget we are talking MULTI channel amp's, not 2ch
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"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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Monarchy?Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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Ok, I been doing some experimenting with my friend from Boston earlier and we tried some different settings. One setting we powered the side speakers with the reciever only and used the amp to power the fronts and rears, then we used the reciever to power the rears only and let the amp power the rest. I wouldn't call the sound better, only a little different. I was told on here to just let the amp power all the speakers and let the reciever do the decoding of latest sound formats. But if I spent so much on a reciever to just let it decode the latest from Dolby True HD and DTS MA and let the amp power the speakers then is it safe to say I over spent on that reciever (Pioneer Elite SC-05) and could have gotten the samething from a $299 recievere that decodes all the latest sounds as well? What difference in sound and power would I get if the amp is doing all the work on all 7 speakers if the reciever isn't doing any of the powering?
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No, a $299 receiver will most likely not sound as good as your receiver. You could have easily spent as much or more on a good pre/pro. Using the preamp, dsp, and other features of the receiver and using a seperate amp for power is not uncommon and is usually the better option on your situation.
Have you used an SPL meter to calibrate the levels of each channel to make sure they are all the same?
Have you played around with speaker placement?
What sources are you using? What DSP modes or surround modes are you using?
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digitalvideo have you tried to make any change's in your speaker placement? Did you catch my link's to HT speaker config's? What about playing with the calibration setting's on your AVR? Maybe try some different IC's/speaker wire
I find it VERY hard to beleive that you are so dissatisfied with a $9k + HT setup
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HTPC
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Yes, after reading that Circuit City guide to speaker placement I adjusted the speakers a little so they are aimed at the seating position and lowered to head/ear level. The two front tower floor speakers are aimed a little inward towards the seating position and away from the wall about 5 inches. All speakers are away from the wall around 5 inches. The sub is in the corner about a foot from the walls.
I need to also know about the Polk FXi A6 speakers, because they have a feature on it that let's you switch between a di-pole or bi-pole effect and was wonder where it should be set for side speakers? I use the RTi A3's for rears. I was told that RTi series are better for direct straight forward sound and should be used for fronts and rears. Do any of you know about the di-pole and bi-pole affect of speakers and sound and how it should be set for speakers in a room?
