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  • Mike LoManaco
    Mike LoManaco Posts: 974
    edited July 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    Welcome to Club Polk Dorourke..!

    Eventually, you might want to consider adding a 2 channel power amp (with the Onkyo as a Pre/pro) for those Lsi9s because the Onkyo does not have quite enough power reserves to really make those 4 ohm speakers 'sing'.

    cnh

    I think the '705 will power those LSis just fine; don't forget Onkyo's WRAT technology algorithm built into these things! ;)
  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited July 2009
    I think the '705 will power those LSis just fine; don't forget Onkyo's WRAT technology algorithm built into these things! ;)

    Mike the thread is great but even my Onkyo 805 which towers over the 705 in weight and power...can't power LSIs they way they WANT to be powered....lots of threads/posts on that--at CPolk. 4 ohm speaker...too much for Onkyos in general.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
  • dorourke07
    dorourke07 Posts: 298
    edited July 2009
    I'm not really sure what kind of power they are getting. I am using the bi-amp feature and the 4ohm setting, but you never see the "bottom end" woofers move. However, I am switching to stands because the cabinets rattle on deep bass, especially in HT mode.

    The Lsi9's are on thier sides with tweeters up in the cabintes. I guess I could have just got 2 Lsic's but I plan on building a system and long run these will become surrounds and towers will be in the front. No hurry though, great sound from onkyo and polk.
    Mains - LSi9's
    Center - LSiC
    Surround - pair of TL3's
    Amplification - Parasound 2125
    AVR - Onkyo 706
    CD/SACD - Onkyo DV-SP506
    SUB - MartinLogan Abyss
    55" Panasonic Viera TC-P55GT30 3D
    Bluray - DMP-BDT310 Panasonic
  • Mike LoManaco
    Mike LoManaco Posts: 974
    edited July 2009
    dorourke07 wrote: »
    I'm not really sure what kind of power they are getting. I am using the bi-amp feature and the 4ohm setting, but you never see the "bottom end" woofers move. However, I am switching to stands because the cabinets rattle on deep bass, especially in HT mode.

    The Lsi9's are on thier sides with tweeters up in the cabintes. I guess I could have just got 2 Lsic's but I plan on building a system and long run these will become surrounds and towers will be in the front. No hurry though, great sound from onkyo and polk.

    Funny; my R20 and R15s sound fine (8 ohm ratings) powered by my 'SR605; do you have your Onkyo "set" to power 4 ohm loads?
  • dorourke07
    dorourke07 Posts: 298
    edited July 2009
    The system sounds great(my opinion). I don't think I am missing anything. When I first set up the 706 and walked through each menu, one of the requirements of bi-amping was to use the 4ohm selection. This was one of the spec's I wanted when I got the avr, since I knew I wanted the 4ohm speakers. I was never a big fan of Denon and my knowledge doesn't run deeper than the mass market brands so that's about all I looked at. The speakers create a seemless wall of sound at the front of the room. Dave Mathews never sounded so good. I'm getting the audio bug and need to buy something else. This could impact the marriage......
    Mains - LSi9's
    Center - LSiC
    Surround - pair of TL3's
    Amplification - Parasound 2125
    AVR - Onkyo 706
    CD/SACD - Onkyo DV-SP506
    SUB - MartinLogan Abyss
    55" Panasonic Viera TC-P55GT30 3D
    Bluray - DMP-BDT310 Panasonic
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    Funny; my R20 and R15s sound fine (8 ohm ratings) powered by my 'SR605; do you have your Onkyo "set" to power 4 ohm loads?

    You don't really "set" your Onkyo to power 4 ohm loads. When you set it to 4 ohms, you're engaging a current limiter so that it doesn't overheat the amp section from driving 4 ohm speakers. Why? Because it's not designed to properly power 4 ohm speakers.

    Receivers in general really shouldn't be used to push 4 ohm speakers, and you'll get FAR better sound with external amplification.

    Also, bi-amping essentially gains you nothing with the Onkyo, since each amp channel is drawing from a common store of power.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    dorourke07 wrote: »
    I'm not really sure what kind of power they are getting. I am using the bi-amp feature and the 4ohm setting, but you never see the "bottom end" woofers move. However, I am switching to stands because the cabinets rattle on deep bass, especially in HT mode.

    The Lsi9's are on thier sides with tweeters up in the cabintes. I guess I could have just got 2 Lsic's but I plan on building a system and long run these will become surrounds and towers will be in the front. No hurry though, great sound from onkyo and polk.

    So you know, you'll get WAY better sound from those LSis once you get them out of those cabinets and onto stands. Putting speakers in cabinets usually plays hell with the midrange. SET THEM FREE! Nice setup you have there though.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited July 2009
    You don't really "set" your Onkyo to power 4 ohm loads. When you set it to 4 ohms, you're engaging a current limiter so that it doesn't overheat the amp section from driving 4 ohm speakers. Why? Because it's not designed to properly power 4 ohm speakers.

    Receivers in general really shouldn't be used to push 4 ohm speakers, and you'll get FAR better sound with external amplification.

    Also, bi-amping essentially gains you nothing with the Onkyo, since each amp channel is drawing from a common store of power.

    Agreed Curt. While I love Onkyo's (my 806 is the pride of my system) it would not be able to power the LSi series to their "potential" If you think they sound good now, send them a few hundred watts from an external amp and see what they are really capable of. Nice setup btw and I will be adding my system to this thread soon.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    I didn't see the projector pic in your first post -- you say the first pic is of your HT, but isn't that a smaller Sony display? Do you use both these screens in your HT?

    The projector is NOT in the HT system.

    It's in the 2ch with the Definitives.
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    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited July 2009
    Agreed Curt. While I love Onkyo's (my 806 is the pride of my system) it would not be able to power the LSi series to their "potential" If you think they sound good now, send them a few hundred watts from an external amp and see what they are really capable of. Nice setup btw and I will be adding my system to this thread soon.

    -Jeff

    You might want to double check who made that post...lol;)
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited July 2009
    Funny; my R20 and R15s sound fine (8 ohm ratings) powered by my 'SR605; do you have your Onkyo "set" to power 4 ohm loads?


    That's a whole different beast. The R20's and R15's are both 8 ohm loads...the 605 should be able to driver those without even batting it's eyes.

    The LSi9's are a 4 ohm load....and from time to time dip below 2 ohms. That's a MUCH harder load to drive. Most AVR's aren't really going to be to power them efficiently.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    I didn't see the projector pic in your first post -- you say the first pic is of your HT, but isn't that a smaller Sony display? Do you use both these screens in your HT?

    Yes, the first pic (labeled 5.1 System) is of the HT, which uses an Onkyo TX-SR500 receiver and a Sony XBR as the display.

    The second pic, labeled 2 Channel, uses an Onkyo TX-SR702, Definitive speakers, and Epson 1080UB as the display.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited July 2009
    i run 2 items a older onkyo 787 and a newer 705
  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited July 2009
    You might want to double check who made that post...lol;)

    Oops, lol. My bad, props to kuntasensei instead. Thanks Curt *mumbles* jackass, lol.
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Yes, the first pic (labeled 5.1 System) is of the HT, which uses an Onkyo TX-SR500 receiver and a Sony XBR as the display.

    The second pic, labeled 2 Channel, uses an Onkyo TX-SR702, Definitive speakers, and Epson 1080UB as the display.

    No matter how many times I read that, it still seems so backwards! ;)
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    No matter how many times I read that, it still seems so backwards! ;)

    Why? The 5.1 system (a.k.a. surround system) is the Home Theater; The stereo system has two speakers... 2 channel.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited July 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Why? The 5.1 system (a.k.a. surround system) is the Home Theater; The stereo system has two speakers... 2 channel.

    I think he's referring to the projector being on the stereo setup, rather than the home theater. ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    Well, I could move the projector upstairs and use it in the 5.1 system, or set up a surround system to go along with the projector.

    However, the 2 channel is used for mostly music listening, so I don't know what benefits I would get going 5.1 for music...

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • Gadabout
    Gadabout Posts: 1,072
    edited July 2009
    greymatter wrote: »
    what a monster! nice thread// getting motivated to go shopping:)

    You can see the setup in the sytem showcase, if your interested in more details.

    Scott
    Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. ..... Frank Zappa
  • CaligulaPolk
    CaligulaPolk Posts: 1,650
    edited July 2009
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    will take pics more on my onkyo 805 with led lights later :D and I need to buy TV stand asap.
    I am 100% BORN DEAF and No I am not kidding! :D Why am I here? My wife's hearing! :p

    My Home Theater Rig || Television: 58" Panasonic TH-58PZ800U Viera Plasma || Power Conditioner: Power Monster HTS 3600 MKII || Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR805 || Blu-Ray/Gaming: 60 Gigabytes Playstation 3 || Amplifier: Emotiva XPA-5 || Fronts: Polk Audio RT800i || Center: Polk Audio CS245i || Surrounds: TBA|| Subwoofer: TBA
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    I think he's referring to the projector being on the stereo setup, rather than the home theater. ;)

    BTW, who says projectors have to be used for Home Theater?

    It's also a giant PC display for music on the HTPC to be played through the 2 channel.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • rayslifecycle
    rayslifecycle Posts: 511
    edited July 2009
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    Anyone Ever Hear of the TX-SV545?
    - I bought it used for 50 bucks from my landlord in 2002.

    It does have stereo audio and video switching for several components.
    It has Pro Logic processing.

    It has analog 5.1 inputs, but no digital processor for 5.1 sound and the remote has no button to switch to that input - you have to use the button on the face plate. As a result I bought my DVD player which did the decoding allowing me to watch DVDs in 5.1 - but all other inputs were stereo preocessed into Dolby ProLogic.

    It has been a great Receiver.
  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited July 2009
    I am a happy owner of Onkyo TX-SR805 :) Will post pics when I'll get back home from Houston. (all my latest photos are of my 2-channel setup, not HT, hehe).
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    I think he's referring to the projector being on the stereo setup, rather than the home theater. ;)

    Not just that... I would swap the receivers too. :D
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    Not just that... I would swap the receivers too. :D

    So you think the TX-SR702 should be in the 5.1 rig and the TX-SR500 for the 2 channel?

    Not sure if the SR500 would power the DefTechs adequately??
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    Actually, I should swap players too.

    The Toshiba HD-XA1 is currently in the 2ch rig for playing concert DVD's, it should be in the HT instead.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    So you think the TX-SR702 should be in the 5.1 rig and the TX-SR500 for the 2 channel?

    Not sure if the SR500 would power the DefTechs adequately??

    Dynamic power on the 500 is 85w, which should still handle transients well enough compared to the 115w of the 702. If you're strictly running 2-channel, I doubt you'd notice a difference between the two... whereas I think you'd definitely notice the difference of having more power to spread between your 5 channels in the 5.1 rig. My only concern with swapping them would be the difference in the DACs.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    Yes I am strictly running 2-channel.

    Was concerned because the 4 ohm DefTechs are already hard to drive, plus the DACs in the 702 are better.

    Since I have a dedicated CDP, tape deck, and DVDP for the 2 channel system, I could hook up everything with analog and eliminate the receiver's DACs, but the amplifier section of the 702 is better IMO.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2009
    I'm sans digital camera at the moment, so here are some crappy cell phone pics of my living room.
    ht3b.jpg
    Onkyo 705 to the left there, CSi40 center in the middle on a StudioTech HF3 stand that's resting on carpet spikes, Samson 1000 rackmount amp and ART-351 EQ on second level left, Comcast HD-DVR and Panasonic DVD-S97 on second level right. I'm going to move the 705 down to the bottom level left of that stand, with an Emotiva XPA-3 planned to go next to it. You can see the bottom of my 100" Elite screen.

    ht1s.jpg
    Sorry for the poor quality. The black tube to the left is my SVS 20-39CS+ (dB12.3 driver, 500w from the Samson 1000) standing next to my left RTi70 main. To the right of the center stand is my Xbox 360 and SF4 fightstick.

    ht2f.jpg
    View of the back wall. RTi28s for rear surrounds, carefully angled and mounted tweeter-down to get the best imaging at the couch (which is only about 14" from the back wall, but I still get great rear imaging). On the side walls (not visible in this pic) I have another pair of RTi28s. White box on the shelf there is my Sanyo PLV-Z2000, which I've calibrated to D65 from 10-90 IRE using an EyeOne Display LT and HCFR (red blows out above 90 IRE, but skin tones are spot on so it's cool). If you look along the edge of that window under the projector, you can see the ghetto-**** wire going to the Buttkicker under the couch (500w from the second channel of the Samson 1000). Couldn't run a wall plate that low because of the way that wall is constructed, so I had to improvise and use a white wire channel to hide it, with a wall plate mounted under the projector shelf. :)

    So there you go. It isn't pretty, but it sounds freakin' AMAZING. :D
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited July 2009
    Nice pics you got there! How is the SVS sub?

    Seeing how everyone is using a 705/805/806, I might just go with an Onkyo 806 for the 2 channel rig and put the 702 upstairs.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!