DSotM

sda2mike
sda2mike Posts: 3,131
edited March 2010 in The Clubhouse
how many people who bought this album do you think were turned onto jazz because of it?. us & them, money, great gig, etc...all have jazzy ideals. saxophone that was'nt traceable to 50s rock n roll. hoo-hoo girls singing back up. just a random think:)
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited March 2010
    I know a few folks that DSotM turned on to acid and mushrooms... or maybe they were into them before. I never tried them, but DSotM is one of those recordings that transcends classification. To me it is a work of art no less significant to music than a Picasso is to the world of paintings. Fusion Jazz is filled with Floyd-like influences.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    sda2mike wrote: »
    how many people who bought this album do you think were turned onto jazz because of it?. us & them, money, great gig, etc...all have jazzy ideals. saxophone that was'nt traceable to 50s rock n roll. hoo-hoo girls singing back up. just a random think:)

    You have got to be kidding.

    You just killed Louis Armstrong, Buddy Rich, Ellington, and all the other real jazz artists for the second time.
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited March 2010
    George Grand wrote: »
    You have got to be kidding.

    You just killed Louis Armstrong, Buddy Rich, Ellington, and all the other real jazz artists for the second time.

    you don't think their influence could possibly spill over into other genres? i'm not saying pink floyd are jazz artists. they are more likely, fans of the above arists and others.
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  • packetjones
    packetjones Posts: 1,059
    edited March 2010
    DSotM is an amazing piece of work. It gets played in my house at least weekly. It is just one of those albums that really moves me. In regards to the jazz question, I dont really see it. It may have opened some people up to the non typical rock but dont feel it is really all that "jazzy" IMO.
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,726
    edited March 2010
    I honestly can't remember what got me interested in jazz, but I know for sure it wasn't DSOTM! Great album and one of my favorites, but it wasn't a springboard for me (other than to seek out other Pink Floyd).
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2010
    George Grand wrote: »
    You have got to be kidding.

    You just killed Louis Armstrong, Buddy Rich, Ellington, and all the other real jazz artists for the second time.

    :eek::D WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D So true. WTH do you get jazz out of DSOTM? It is straight rock & roll.

    I suggest you listen to a few of the artists George listed above to get an idea of what jazz is supposed to sound like!
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2010
    DSOTM may have incorporate aspect/snippets of other musical styles, but I don't feel it turned many people on to those styles, or motivated them to search out those styles.

    For many I believe as stated previously, it led them to search out new recreational drugs.
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2010
    Billy Cobham's Spectrum LP with Tommy Bolin on guitar was where Jazz and I first became acquainted. It started with fusion like John McLaughlin and early Chick Corea but then spread in all directions. Don't get me wrong I love Dark Side of the Moon and now that you mention it I can for sure here some jazz influence but at the time it was simply really great progressive rock, like most of early Yes.
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited March 2010
    cfrizz wrote: »
    :eek::D WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D So true. WTH do you get jazz out of DSOTM? It is straight rock & roll.

    I suggest you listen to a few of the artists George listed above to get an idea of what jazz is supposed to sound like!

    wow! i'm talking about influences! i don't need any lessons about jazz, as i am a huge fan. just for fun: take a look at the chord progression on us & them and see if you can call it straight ahead rock n roll...you can't. same with money: the time signature doesn't belong in rock.

    the point of my thread was if PF were influenced by jazz(they were), would it come out in thier music(did), the question is...would that have an effect on jazz neophytes?
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2010
    There's a "Making of DSOTM" documentry that talks about the influences that shaped the music, and I believe jazz was among those noted and had significant influence. I'm not sure that automatically carries over to non-jazz enthusiasts hearing snippets of jazz influence in DSOTM and then searching out more jazz to listen to.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited March 2010
    sda2mike wrote: »
    the point of my thread was if PF were influenced by jazz(they were), would it come out in thier music(did), the question is...would that have an effect on jazz neophytes?

    I understand the connection you are trying to make. For me, I despised classical music until Superman, Star Wars, and ET came along. I became a big John Williams fan. From there came Tchikovski, Beethoven and Bach. The Somewhere In Time soundtrack exposed me to Rachmaninov and the rest is history. It is safe to say without John Williams, I still would not enjoy classical music as much as I do today.:)
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited March 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I understand the connection you are trying to make. For me, I despised classical music until Superman, Star Wars, and ET came along. I became a big John Williams fan. From there came Tchikovski, Beethoven and Bach. The Somewhere In Time soundtrack exposed me to Rachmaninov and the rest is history. It is safe to say without John Williams, I still would not enjoy classical music as much as I do today.:)

    rachmoninov was the bridge for me as far as classical being listenable, at the time
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited March 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    There's a "Making of DSOTM" documentry that talks about the influences that shaped the music, and I believe jazz was among those noted and had significant influence. I'm not sure that automatically carries over to non-jazz enthusiasts hearing snippets of jazz influence in DSOTM and then searching out more jazz to listen to.

    Yes, dkg999 is exactly right.

    In particuarly, Richard Wright discusses in some detail how the pieces on Miles Davis' Kind of Blue was THE key point of influence and inspiration in the writing of "Us & Them"

    But I must confess that I discovered the world of jazz quite independently from my love for DSoTM. In fact, it all began with Kind of Blue itself and has grown and expanded in numerous ways over the past decade.
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    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited March 2010
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    In particuarly, Richard Wright discusses in some detail how the pieces on Miles Davis' Kind of Blue was THE key point of influence and inspiration in the writing of "Us & Them".

    I read about this before. Do you happen to know if this was discussed in the Pink Floyd DSOTM "Classic Album" DVD?
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited March 2010
    Yes, that was the DVD I was referring to (I thought that's what dkg99 was referring to as well, but I could be wrong).
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited March 2010
    sda2mike wrote: »
    how many people who bought this album do you think were turned onto jazz because of it?. us & them, money, great gig, etc...all have jazzy ideals. saxophone that was'nt traceable to 50s rock n roll. hoo-hoo girls singing back up. just a random think:)
    Isnt that like asking how many people got hooked on the Blues by listening to Highway to Hell? :D



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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited March 2010
    snow wrote: »
    Isnt that like asking how many people got hooked on the Blues by listening to Highway to Hell? :D



    REGARDS SNOW

    not really....although your analogy is not that far-fetched...'rock and roll aint noise pollution' comes to mind among others. angus young made a great career with the 12 bar blues:D

    i think the more accurate analogy would be jeff beck 'blow by blow' to jazz.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited March 2010
    snow wrote: »
    Isnt that like asking how many people got hooked on the Blues by listening to Highway to Hell? :D



    REGARDS SNOW

    Thats what hooked me into the blues scene.
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited March 2010
    Weird Al's "Polka Your Eyes Out" turned me onto Ska....
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited March 2010
    the same discussion; different angle...when clapton covered 'i shot the sheriff' what kind of effect do you think it had on bob marley's record sales/popularity? hold your sarcasm/incredulous WTH's..if you can:D
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  • Amherst
    Amherst Posts: 695
    edited March 2010
    dkg999 wrote: »
    DSOTM may have incorporate aspect/snippets of other musical styles, but I don't feel it turned many people on to those styles, or motivated them to search out those styles.

    For many I believe as stated previously, it led them to search out new recreational drugs.

    Nah..... already had tons of drugs in the 70's. Floyd was just the sweet icing on the cake.
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