Polk Audio SR5250 + JL 12W6v2...

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  • Mahna Mahna
    Mahna Mahna Posts: 14
    edited June 2010
    Careful what you feed the JL w6...they like the power :)

    They are a great sub.
    If you come to Canada, remember our bears like no foam lattes......thank you :D
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Mahna Mahna wrote: »
    Careful what you feed the JL w6...they like the power :)

    They are a great sub.

    Yeah, I'm gonna use Genesis-amp on the JL as well.

    This one - picking it up at wednesday. :D
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Now I'm almost done in the back of the car,
    and I'd like to hear what you guys think so far...

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    As I said, still many things needs to be done...
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited June 2010
    Hey that look pretty sweet. But how does it sound?

    Both fans are blowing air up i take it? Or is one and or can one be wired to run backwards? Asking as i see no intake. Also are they always on or you get a temp sensor relay? I think i'm going with the Stinger fans and a temp sensor relay. They won't look good like yours. But they'll be hidden away more or less. I just need to find a not so bad looking grille.

    I was looking at what you had going on in Feb. Quite a few changes. Looking at your rca cables i see unbalanced rca from head unit. Then it goes to an rca adaptor? Is that a Balan and balanced rca after the balan? Although the one after looks shielded as well. And if so did that actually work? The new stuff i can't tell what you have for rca's. Did you get a Balanced line driver and stick it near the head unit and run balanced rca's? Maybe i'm over thinking everything as i don't even know if the amps accept a balanced rca input. But curious as i may get a balanced line driver and go balanced cables. I'll probably just buy Belden balanced wire and some rca plugs and solder them myself. But then again i may not as i have little time for installing.

    Oh and where's the spare tire? ;)
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    catch22atplay wrote: »
    Hey that look pretty sweet. But how does it sound?

    Both fans are blowing air up i take it? Or is one and or can one be wired to run backwards? Asking as i see no intake. Also are they always on or you get a temp sensor relay? I think i'm going with the Stinger fans and a temp sensor relay. They won't look good like yours. But they'll be hidden away more or less. I just need to find a not so bad looking grille.

    I was looking at what you had going on in Feb. Quite a few changes. Looking at your rca cables i see unbalanced rca from head unit. Then it goes to an rca adaptor? Is that a Balan and balanced rca after the balan? Although the one after looks shielded as well. And if so did that actually work? The new stuff i can't tell what you have for rca's. Did you get a Balanced line driver and stick it near the head unit and run balanced rca's? Maybe i'm over thinking everything as i don't even know if the amps accept a balanced rca input. But curious as i may get a balanced line driver and go balanced cables. I'll probably just buy Belden balanced wire and some rca plugs and solder them myself. But then again i may not as i have little time for installing.

    Oh and where's the spare tire? ;)

    Thanks man! It sounds really great, I noticed a little deeper bass
    and the Genesis amp has great "controll" with 845w rms (2 ohm's). ;)
    The JL sounds mighty in a big enclosure and a great mono amp...

    I don't use the XLR balanced cables anymore,
    I just use standard RCA directly from HU to amps...

    The spare tire is under my bed... :D
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    catch22atplay wrote: »
    Both fans are blowing air up i take it? Or is one and or can one be wired to run backwards? Asking as i see no intake. Also are they always on or you get a temp sensor relay? I think i'm going with the Stinger fans and a temp sensor relay. They won't look good like yours. But they'll be hidden away more or less. I just need to find a not so bad looking grille.

    Forgot this one. Both fans are blowing air in, directly into the amps.
    I don't know about wiring them backwards. The positive cable are
    connected to the amp's FAN-output, and the negative cable's
    grounded with the car. Works well, and the fan to the left
    (SR5250-midwoofers amp) is usually moving a little faster
    than the other one (to the Vifa Peerless') since it gets
    much hotter and the amp is steering its fan's rpm...

    Oh, and where does the air come out?
    It's 1 cm opening all the way on the side. ;)
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Needed to protect the fans and the "window", so I got grills...

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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    What do you guys think about that? ^ After all, it's BBQ-season over here. :D

    Anyways, on thursday, the P88RS-II is on it's way, and tomorrow I'm pickin' up this:

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    ^ Stinger SPV69. Pretty good battery, eh? My original Mitsubishi-battery isn't strong enough...
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited June 2010
    I like the grilles for protection and they look fine as well. I need my stuff to be stealthy and well protected from luggage etc. So we'd be doing very similar installs. As for the battery. At least yours and mine are both made by the same manufacturer. So it'll be fine. Stinger warranty is crap though. Odyssey or Kinetik imo. I opted for Odyssey as i have a battery store/service center 6 blocks away that carry them. So 4 year warranty, price, performance and convenience won out over Kinetic for me. Oh, you probably don't have Odyssey where you live either.
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    catch22atplay wrote: »
    I like the grilles for protection and they look fine as well. I need my stuff to be stealthy and well protected from luggage etc. So we'd be doing very similar installs. As for the battery. At least yours and mine are both made by the same manufacturer. So it'll be fine. Stinger warranty is crap though. Odyssey or Kinetik imo. I opted for Odyssey as i have a battery store/service center 6 blocks away that carry them. So 4 year warranty, price, performance and convenience won out over Kinetic for me. Oh, you probably don't have Odyssey where you live either.

    Excactly, no problem to throw luggage and stuff there now (although maybe getting a grill for the sub?) :)

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    ^ The battery is connected, did everything yesterday.
    The battery I got was not charged at all, so I charged it over the night.
    And by the way, catch, we do have a lot Oddysey-batteries here in Norway too. :)
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited June 2010
    Oh i figured Odyssey were mainly US and not widely distributed elsewhere. Er why wasn't the battery charged? An AGM battery should be charged when it left the factory and last up to 2 years given proper storage procedures.
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited June 2010
    Hey, congrats on the p-88.......in advance. You're getting it tmrw, right?
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    arun1963 wrote: »
    Hey, congrats on the p-88.......in advance. You're getting it tmrw, right?

    Yeah thanks. It's gonna be sent tomorrow, yes, but it'll take a
    couple of days you know. Hope the Post Office is fast this time. :D

    How's the sound quality in the P88RS-II vs. the Alpine 9855r? Will I notice any difference?
    catch22atplay wrote: »
    Oh i figured Odyssey were mainly US and not widely distributed elsewhere. Er why wasn't the battery charged? An AGM battery should be charged when it left the factory and last up to 2 years given proper storage procedures.

    I don't know why, but it's charged now and works just fine! Nothing wrong... :)
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited June 2010
    TakeTheTime wrote: »
    How's the sound quality in the P88RS-II vs. the Alpine 9855r? Will I notice any difference? :)

    Get the p-88 and install it. I have some vacation time starting next week. There is a thread here that I started about two years ago when I got my p-80rsII. If you promise to ignore my noobish ramblings on the first two pages, I'll update that thread on how to setup this unit.

    Take what you want out of it and then I'll wait for your decision on which is a better unit. Frankly, its not a fair comparison. L/R control makes a huge difference in sound. So if at the end you conclude that the sound from the pio is much better, it doesnt mean pio>alpine. Just that the pio has more tuning features. ;)
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    One empty space, I'm gonna miss the 9855r...

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    Sold it today, got $314. Bought it for $267, so I made a profit! :D
    Had to pay $392.5 for the P88RS-II, so this wasn't expensive...
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited June 2010
    How are u planning to run with the prs? Passive or active?
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    arun1963 wrote: »
    How are u planning to run with the prs? Passive or active?

    Active of course!! ;)

    Just checked the Post Office's tracing,
    and it looks like the HU isn't arriving 'till
    monday and I'm going on vacation tomorrow,
    so I won't be able to install it before next weekend. :o
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Why do you ask? Anything in particular I need to know? Or is it just "plug & play"? :D
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited June 2010
    No, just wanted to know how mad hatter I could get. Active means I can go further with the tuning bit. Let me know when you're ready to start tuning the prs.
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Yeah the active is a must-have for me, since I'm a SQ-guy and gonna compete in the beginning of July. :D
    Yes I'll let you know! By the way, what does "hatter" means? I am Norwegian you know...
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited June 2010
    TakeTheTime wrote: »
    One empty space, I'm gonna miss the 9855r...

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    Sold it today, got $314. Bought it for $267, so I made a profit! :D
    Had to pay $392.5 for the P88RS-II, so this wasn't expensive...

    So is the hole filled?........thats sounds so wrong. OK, Is the space filled? :)
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    arun1963 wrote: »
    So is the hole filled?........thats sounds so wrong. OK, Is the space filled? :)

    :D Hey man, I was just about to post here. Just did this...

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    Ah, and it sounds nice! I've done nothing with the EQ or TA yet,
    but I set c.o. to 50hz/30db's -> 80hz/12db's -> 2.5khz/24db's -> 3.15/12db's :)
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited June 2010
    Looks sweet. More tuning options to play with. That should really take care of the vocals now.
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    Yeah. I notice the warmer sound, and it helped a little on the harsh vocals - but it's still there. Where should I start?
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited June 2010
    I'd work on that right midrange first as it's so on axis vs the left one. You'll end up cutting the 1k and 2k ranges to start with. For me this is usually a long process as you have to cut so many bands and by different amounts. Then go back and change the ones you previously did as each band effects other bands. It's damn tedious. I always use a note pad and write everything down as you may have to start over.
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited June 2010
    I've tried different things now, and it is gettin' better! :D Tried sinus tones yesterday,
    and I learned A LOT about phases. I still have a lot to learn, so I'm getting som help
    by a pretty excperienced guy tomorrow. I'm gonna be ready for the competition! ;)
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited July 2010
    Ah, I love this HU! It really helped my phase-issues,
    the right side isn't intense anymore. My tuning:

    TA (cm)
    Left tweet: 98.75 - Right tweet: 141.25
    Left midw.: 108.75 - Right midw.: 136.25
    Left subw.: 250.00 - Right subw.: 250.00

    Crossover/slopes
    Low LPF mono: 63hz - 36db's/octave
    Mid HPF left: 63hz - 18db's/octave
    Mid HPF right: 63hz - 18db's/octave
    Mid LPF left: 2.5khz - 18db's/octave
    Mid LPF right: 2.5khz - 18db's/octave
    High HPF left: 3.15khz - 18db's/octave
    High HPF right 3.15khz - 18db's/octave

    Level/phase
    Subwoofer: -11db / normal
    Midw. left: -6db / normal
    Midw. right: -3db / normal
    Tweeter left: -3db / normal
    Tweeter right: 0db / normal

    EQ adjustments (L/R)
    20 hertz: +3 / +3
    31.5 hertz: +1 / +1
    50 hertz -1 / -1
    80 hertz +1 / +1
    125 hertz +2 / +2
    200 hertz 0 / 0
    315 hertz -1 / -2
    500 hertz 0 / 0
    800 hertz 0 / -2
    1.25k hertz -5 / -3
    2k hertz 0 / 0
    3.15k hertz -2 / -5
    5k hertz -1 / -2
    8k hertz -1 / -1
    12.5k hertz 0 / 0
    20k hertz +1 / +1

    Looks good, eh? ;) Well, it sounds GREAT...
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  • arun1963
    arun1963 Posts: 1,797
    edited July 2010
    TakeTheTime wrote: »
    Ah, I love this HU! It really helped my phase-issues,
    the right side isn't intense anymore. My tuning:

    Looks good, eh? ;) Well, it sounds GREAT...

    Yes it is the best 1 din hu, bar none. Not a brand vs brand issue. Just that this hu offers the maximum tuning features in any 1 din hu.

    Just looking at your settings, great as it may sound, right now, you can make it much better. Wanna try?

    Give me the actual physical distance from your seating position to the middle of each driver. For accuracy it would be best if you sit and someone else measures the distance from the tip of your nose. This would be a starting point. I need to know the actual distances and the pld.
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  • TakeTheTime
    TakeTheTime Posts: 249
    edited July 2010
    I'm open, but I didn't do those settings myself you know.
    It was a pretty wise guy who did the tuning, and we're
    gonna meet at tuesday for more tuning. Distances:

    Left tweeter: 100 cm
    Right tweeter: 140 cm
    Left midwoofer: 110 cm
    Right midwoofer: 135 cm
    Subwoofer: 240.00 cm
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  • catch22atplay
    catch22atplay Posts: 130
    edited July 2010
    Results seems odd. You actually ended up cutting the left woofer at 1.25khz more than the right woofer after level matching. Did you write that one down correctly? Or is it really -3/-5 at 1.25khz?

    The sub is close to flat with a difference of 3db between 20hz-63hz. Cabin gain and large sub box ftw. Very nice.
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