Pioneer vsx-1017txv-k vs Onkyo TX-SR805

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lectronicjunkie
lectronicjunkie Posts: 299
edited March 2010 in Electronics
I need some help here. I'm looking at two different AVR's. Pioneer vsx-1017txv-k @$200 and Onkyo TX-SR805 @$500. The major difference that I see is the THD%. Pioneer is .2% and Onkyo is .05%. Will it make a big difference in sound clarity? Is the Pioneer as bright as the Onkyo? It would be 80% HT and 20% music.
Any help would be appreciated.:D
It's all in the detail.
:cool:

HT Setup:
Samsung PN50D550
Onkyo TX-SR805
Samsung BD-D6700
Fronts: RTi10's
Center: CSi5
Side surrounds: RC65i's
Rear surrounds: FXiA4's
Sub: Velodyne CT120
Outdoor: Atrium 45's

Pictures here
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  • holt
    holt Posts: 131
    edited March 2010
    If price isn't a factor and you have no plans to add any external amps in the future, I would go for the Onkyo based on its power. I own a Pioneer now and had a Onkyo 605 before and brightness is factor in both.
    Cnh would be a good one to answer this for you...
    Pioneer vsx-9130txh-k
    Anthem Pre2L SE
    Marantz cd5003
    Proceed amp 3
    Sherwood Newcastle A-965
    Signal ll IC's
    Polk lsi-15s
    Polk lsic
    PSW505
    Polk Monitor 30 surrounds side and back
    PS3 with modified 500 gig hd
    Samsung ln52a650
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  • lectronicjunkie
    lectronicjunkie Posts: 299
    edited March 2010
    Would an ADCOM GFA-555 II tame the brightness or is that done by the receiver?
    It's all in the detail.
    :cool:

    HT Setup:
    Samsung PN50D550
    Onkyo TX-SR805
    Samsung BD-D6700
    Fronts: RTi10's
    Center: CSi5
    Side surrounds: RC65i's
    Rear surrounds: FXiA4's
    Sub: Velodyne CT120
    Outdoor: Atrium 45's

    Pictures here
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,216
    edited March 2010
    Where are you finding the SR805? Is it refurb or just on the used market? I would highly recommend the SR805 if it is refurbed and has the newest firmwares applied. If it's used, I'd ask if the firmware was updated to the 1.08 version and if the DSP firmware was updated to get rid of the DTS 'bomb'.

    The SR805 was a gem in its time/price and Onkyo has severely reduced the quality in the followup models (806,807,...)
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  • lectronicjunkie
    lectronicjunkie Posts: 299
    edited March 2010
    It's on the local Craigslist. I will ask about the firmware. I've seen some posts in another forum where they show you how to update it yourself.
    It's all in the detail.
    :cool:

    HT Setup:
    Samsung PN50D550
    Onkyo TX-SR805
    Samsung BD-D6700
    Fronts: RTi10's
    Center: CSi5
    Side surrounds: RC65i's
    Rear surrounds: FXiA4's
    Sub: Velodyne CT120
    Outdoor: Atrium 45's

    Pictures here
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,216
    edited March 2010
    lectronicjunkie wrote: »
    It's on the local Craigslist. I will ask about the firmware. I've seen some posts in another forum where they show you how to update it yourself.

    Yeah, but updating is not for the faint of heart. There is also a certain configuration on many of the earlier models that doesn't allow an easy upgrade to the 1.08 firmware. Best to see if its there. If not, more reason to talk them down.

    I'd read up on how to check the firmware versions. There are several to worry about, main firmware (1.08 ideally), DSP1, DSP2, DSP3. I'd go there with the info written down, then check and compare.

    The DSP firmwares are easy to update, but the main is not.

    Local CL sale for an 805 should be substantially lower than $500. They are going on Ebay for $400-$450.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited March 2010
    I would recommend the Onkyo as well, leaps and bounds better than the other model you are looking into. Like stated above the 805 is a beast and built very well, much better than my 806 and other models after it. For $500 you can't go go wrong. If you are going to be doing 80% HT, it is even more of a reason to get it, Onkyo AVR's do HT very well. My 806 shines in this aspect and is pretty good with music as well.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited March 2010
    In this case I would consider the Onkyo, however be aware of 805 issues. They are known for overheating so consider external fan, they also had a firmware update to fix some sort of "pop" that were causing speaker damage.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 7,216
    edited March 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    In this case I would consider the Onkyo, however be aware of 805 issues. They are known for overheating so consider external fan, they also had a firmware update to fix some sort of "pop" that were causing speaker damage.

    The pop is also known as the DTS 'Bomb'. It is easily fixed through a DSP firmware update.

    As far as overheating, all modern Onkyo AVRs run pretty hot compared to some other brands. The 805 actually has two cooling fans that draw in air from the lower front corners and blow across the main amp heatsink. That part stays fairly cool. However, there is another source of heat on the video board (back corner) that is not actively cooled. That can be a concern if you have the receiver in a closed cabinet (which I generally don't recommend unless you have some active cooling). Just leave 8+ inches above the receiver and you'll probably be fine. I've had my 805 for 2+ years with no problems whatsoever.
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  • maximus_okc
    maximus_okc Posts: 17
    edited March 2010
    I have a tx-sr805 currently for sale on Ebay along with a matching DVD player. The receiver was updated with the latest firmware last week. This is just an FYI if anyone is interested.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270541088564&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,883
    edited March 2010
    maximus_okc wrote: »
    I have a tx-sr805 currently for sale on Ebay along with a matching DVD player. The receiver was updated with the latest firmware last week. This is just an FYI if anyone is interested.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270541088564&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

    You're skirtin' the rules there chief...:rolleyes:
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  • AGUERRA
    AGUERRA Posts: 147
    edited March 2010
    I don't mean to hijack your thread, but does anyone know how to perform the update's in the south texas area? and if so how much you charge to do the update's.
    front: rti8
    center: csi5
    surround: fxi3
    sub: eD a2-300
    receiver: onkyo 805
    ps3
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited March 2010
    ken brydson wrote: »
    You're skirtin' the rules there chief...:rolleyes:

    What rules? Its a free for all. You didnt know?
    ;)


    Pauly
    Life without music would♭
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  • lectronicjunkie
    lectronicjunkie Posts: 299
    edited March 2010
    maximus_okc wrote: »
    I have a tx-sr805 currently for sale on Ebay along with a matching DVD player. The receiver was updated with the latest firmware last week. This is just an FYI if anyone is interested.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270541088564&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

    Thanks but I don't need another dvd player. I'm trying to buy local to cut out shipping charges.

    Also, thanks to everyone's help with this. I was glad to find out about the firmware issues.
    It's all in the detail.
    :cool:

    HT Setup:
    Samsung PN50D550
    Onkyo TX-SR805
    Samsung BD-D6700
    Fronts: RTi10's
    Center: CSi5
    Side surrounds: RC65i's
    Rear surrounds: FXiA4's
    Sub: Velodyne CT120
    Outdoor: Atrium 45's

    Pictures here
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited March 2010
    Go Onkyo 805. That's a fine piece of AV receiver and has pre-outs so power will never be a problem.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2010
    I've already given my 2 cents on this in a PM....so I won't elaborate here. Except to say that it was my understanging that the POPS and speaker damage mentioned above were very 'rare' and were supposedly cause by problems in the Audyssey set up....SET UP MANUALLY and you should be fine! I never bother with the AUTO set ups--usually don't like their equalization, etc. Prefer a FLAT sound adjusted by 'yours' truly!

    Like billbillw I haven't had any problems over a year running.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • AGUERRA
    AGUERRA Posts: 147
    edited March 2010
    thanks for the link with the info on the updates. i was able to do the dsp update but for the main im one of the sol people and i have 1.00 and trying the update probly brick my 805
    front: rti8
    center: csi5
    surround: fxi3
    sub: eD a2-300
    receiver: onkyo 805
    ps3
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2010
    What exactly does this 1.08 update...I don't remember there being any
    'major' problems with the 805? And I've never had 'any' problems with mine...NONE! Please elaborate.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • Rodeo0530
    Rodeo0530 Posts: 797
    edited March 2010
    I've read about some popping sound issue when switching sources, but I don't know this is what the problem is or not.


    Front - Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center - Polk Audio CS2
    Rear - Polk Audio TSi 100
    Sub - Klipsch rw-10d
    AVR - Onkyo ht-rc180
    Main Amp- Parasound HCA-2003
    Surround Amp- Sonance Sonamp 260
    Tuner- Parasound tdq-1600
    Turntable- Pro-ject Debut III USB w/upgraded platter
    IPod dock - Pure i20
    TV - Panasonic Viera tc-p46g10
    Sony Playstation 3(250GB)
    Nintendo Wii
    Power Conditioner- Panamax 5100

    Not in use-
    Polk Audio Monitor 60
    Polk Audio PSW10
    Parasound p/sp-1000
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2010
    Clicking and popping sounds are normal on Onkyos trying to latch onto different digital formats and decode them when they switch from one to another.

    I remember some people claiming their speakers popped now and then...but as far as I know that was a problem with the Audyssey set up? Is that what the firmware is for?

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • sir_lagzalot
    sir_lagzalot Posts: 258
    edited March 2010
    I own one and it has all the latest firmware upgrades and has never had a problem, it does get hot but if kept in open rack or with proper ventilation shouldn't be an issue. Just remember this thing weights 51 pounds, but if you have room for it, its definitely worth the money.
    ****Home Theater****
    Integra DHC-40.1
    Rotel RMB-1075
    Fronts 265-RT
    Center 265-RT
    Rears 65-RT
    Sub BIC H-100

    ****VIDEO****
    Projector Epson 8700 UB
    BLU-RAY Sony BDP-S1000ES

    ****2-Channel****
    Magnepan SMGa
    Sub ED A3-250
    AMC 3100a
    TT Music Hall 2.2
    Bellari VP 130 Phono Pre
    Grant Fidelity Tube DAC-09
    Sirius Stiletto 2

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