rta12 vs. rta11t

mhmacw

whats the performance difference between these two speakers and which one has the greatest ability to be upgraded? which will match best in a theatre with sda 1c? thanks for the info guys

Ron Temple

mhmacw wrote: »

whats the performance difference between these two speakers and which one has the greatest ability to be upgraded? which will match best in a theatre with sda 1c? thanks for the info guys

I don't know much about the RTA12s except that they are considered excellent. However, the RTA11ts share a driver and the tweeter with the 1Cs, I believe. Haven't heard them in the same room, but the 11ts sound like SDA w/o SDA, if you get my drift.

mhmacw

i do get what you mean. its like they throw their voice(the 11t) quite an awesome speaker in my opinion. i havet found a parts list for the rta12 but it would make sense the 11t and 1 c would match better if for no other reason the array is oriented vertically on both.

Dawgfish

I have yet to hear the RTA-11t, but I do have a set of both RTA-12Bs and SDA-1Cs (modified with RDO-194 tweets). The RTA-12Bs are great sounding speakers. I have ran them as sorrounds with my SDA-1Cs as front mains in a home theater set-up. The sound was outstanding and a great match. I don't think you could go wrong with either.

Steve

mhmacw

im considering shelving the 11ts up front with the 1c below them. for now i think zone 2 will run the 11t and front will run the 1c, then a set if r15 for the surround rear and a cs350 for both front and rear center. i have 8 ft ceilings and the 11t are about 6 inches from it now. i think ill stillget true 2 channel with stereo signal to front and zone 2. should be quite a wall when im finished. ive also considered putting 2 cs350 in the fron and one in the rear but i havent found a third one yet. my hopes are to matche all tweets in the 11t and 1c and all tweets to the 350 's and thr r15's.

concealer404

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with all that?

mhmacw

a jammin stereo! what else?

concealer404

Ah. Carry on.

mhmacw

i did land another cs350 about an hour ago. its on the way to minnesota to pick up the 1c's. in fact its about 20 minutes south haha how convenient. still need a grill though.

comfortablycurt

Just to be clear...you aren't planning on running the 1C's and 11T's in stereo at the same time...are you? Because that would sound awful.

concealer404

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Just to be clear...you aren't planning on running the 1C's and 11T's in stereo at the same time...are you? Because that would sound awful.

I didn't really want to say it...

mhmacw

though i would have the option i planned on a side by side comparison. i figured it would be a little wierd with the sda and all. if i were to unplug the sda link im sure it would sound ok. especially after seeing the inside of the cabinet that tool has apart. if they arent connected they are just big brothers to the 11t.

concealer404

mhmacw wrote: »

though i would have the option i planned on a side by side comparison. i figured it would be a little wierd with the sda and all. if i were to unplug the sda link im sure it would sound ok. especially after seeing the inside of the cabinet that tool has apart. if they arent connected they are just big brothers to the 11t.

They aren't big brothers to the 11T. There's some pretty basic fundamental differences.

I'm not real sure what you're trying to say with the first few sentences.

But consider this: Is your head 6 inches from the ceiling when you're listening to music? No. Then why position speakers there? Doesn't make any sense.

You run any other front speakers besides those 1Cs, and you're going to ruin the SDA effect, and it'll sound like crap. Lobing, no imaging. It'll be a lot of sound. But a lot of crappy sound.

mhmacw

i dont think it will be a case of in room listening. my whole reason for this experiment is to be able to hear my stereo when mowing behind the barn nearly 300 yards away. im sure close proximity or critical listening wont be best complimented by a mix of sda and true stereo. but belive you me...an 8 ft tall speaker wall will be heard behind my barn. when it comes to the sacds and count bassie i wont be employing all guns at the same time. there are a few other sets at my disposal that might find themselves in the mix from time to time. a set of dcm timewindows and a set of cerwin vega 12tr will be switched out periodicaly just to see what it does. its all in fun man

mhmacw

concealer404 wrote: »

They aren't big brothers to the 11T. There's some pretty basic fundamental differences.

I'm not real sure what you're trying to say with the first few sentences.

But consider this: Is your head 6 inches from the ceiling when you're listening to music? No. Then why position speakers there? Doesn't make any sense.

You run any other front speakers besides those 1Cs, and you're going to ruin the SDA effect, and it'll sound like crap. Lobing, no imaging. It'll be a lot of sound. But a lot of crappy sound.

oh the 6 inches from the ceiling thing...i have a set of french doors that are 8 ft high so it will sort of resemble a directional hall with an 8x 10 ft opening at one end.

concealer404

mhmacw wrote: »

oh the 6 inches from the ceiling thing...i have a set of french doors that are 8 ft high so it will sort of resemble a directional hall with an 8x 10 ft opening at one end.

Lost me again... Are you or are you not planning on putting your RTA11Ts elevated on a shelf high enough that they're going to be 6" from the ceiling?

concealer404

mhmacw wrote: »

i dont think it will be a case of in room listening. my whole reason for this experiment is to be able to hear my stereo when mowing behind the barn nearly 300 yards away. im sure close proximity or critical listening wont be best complimented by a mix of sda and true stereo. but belive you me...an 8 ft tall speaker wall will be heard behind my barn. when it comes to the sacds and count bassie i wont be employing all guns at the same time. there are a few other sets at my disposal that might find themselves in the mix from time to time. a set of dcm timewindows and a set of cerwin vega 12tr will be switched out periodicaly just to see what it does. its all in fun man

What exactly are you using to power all this? I think everyone on this forum would much rather you use appropriate speakers for this function, rather than desirable relatively hard to find Polks. But i guess we can't tell you what to do.

mhmacw

the only differences I'm seeing aren't fundamental they are electronic. post crossover at the driver there is a slight change in cap and resistor value. if the drivers share the same enclosure I'm sure he difference in effect will be muted somewhat if not connecteed with the sda ic. definitely to a point you wouldn't hear it in another room. the sda effect is only an effect when you are in the correct position. if you deviate from that position say past the parallel of the left or right plane the entirety of the sda is nullified. if you leave the room i doubt you'd notice it at all.

mhmacw

concealer404 wrote: »

What exactly are you using to power all this? I think everyone on this forum would much rather you use appropriate speakers for this function, rather than desirable relatively hard to find Polks. But i guess we can't tell you what to do.

dont worry...im not going to break anything. as i appreciate your concern it is after all my wallett funding this evdeavor. if it was yours i suppose your concernes could be justified

concealer404

Alrighty. Good luck.

mhmacw

concealer404 wrote: »

Lost me again... Are you or are you not planning on putting your RTA11Ts elevated on a shelf high enough that they're going to be 6" from the ceiling?[/QUO

ok picture this... your screen is on the far wall. two cs350s are directly under the screen side by side. there is 1 rta11t on the left of the screen and one on the right the bottom of the screen and the shelf the 11ts sit on is 48 inch4es from the ceiling. in the rear are 2 r15s one left one right. and for your stereo enjoyment a set of 1c studios directly under the 11 t. you are 25 ft from the screen in a cozy leather chair .etc.etc. i think you might be underestimating my audio abilities simply due to the fact that im new to polk audio.

mhmacw

i found a picture of the same idea wth different speakers on the facebook page. there is a silver flat screen with a center under it and a tower mounted to the wall on either side. its quite common im just not great at descriptions thats all

concealer404

No... i'm not underestimating your audio abilities simply because you're new here. I'm not underestimating at all.

I'm just currently having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say. But, you're looking for loud, and it sounds like you'll get it. You've got a good chance of success.

mhmacw

concealer404 wrote: »

No... i'm not underestimating your audio abilities simply because you're new here. I'm not underestimating at all.

I'm just currently having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say. But, you're looking for loud, and it sounds like you'll get it. You've got a good chance of success.

i definitly want loud no denial there(hoo rah in my deepest marine cadence) but i also want a seamless transistion to high quality theatre or that night of jazz with the wife. i still want music and quality music ..just loud quality music thats all:cool:

mhmacw

im no artist either haha

comfortablycurt

One other question...it sounds like you're building these speakers into the wall?

If so...that is going to drastically change the way that the speakers sound.

What are you going to be powering it all with?



edit-Ok...I think I see how you're planning on placing them.

Having the 11's up that high won't exactly be optimal, but it would definitely work. As far as running both pairs at the same time...that's not necessarily going to get you any more volume, unless you've got separate amplifiers powering each pair of speakers. Even still, adding more speakers isn't really the solution to getting bigger volume. If it's bigger volume you're looking for, you should start looking at some amplifiers.


What other gear will you be running them with?

mhmacw

comfortablycurt wrote: »

One other question...it sounds like you're building these speakers into the wall?

If so...that is going to drastically change the way that the speakers sound.

What are you going to be powering it all with?



edit-Ok...I think I see how you're planning on placing them.

Having the 11's up that high won't exactly be optimal, but it would definitely work. As far as running both pairs at the same time...that's not necessarily going to get you any more volume, unless you've got separate amplifiers powering each pair of speakers. Even still, adding more speakers isn't really the solution to getting bigger volume. If it's bigger volume you're looking for, you should start looking at some amplifiers.


What other gear will you be running them with?

dare i say emotiva? my intentions arent really designed around running both sets together. im sure ill try it but its not the main concern. i have a feeling that betweent eh sda and the sub i built ill get to the barn no problem. probably an xpa-2

comfortablycurt

mhmacw wrote: »

dare i say emotiva?

Emotiva what?

Is Emotiva the gear you're using now?

or...Is Emotiva what you should be looking for? If so...they're an option. There are plenty of other choices out there though too. If you don't mind buying used, you can get something for much less money, that's going to be every bit as nice, if not better, than a comparable new Emotiva product.

mhmacw

at this point i have no set amp in mind. i do know a 7 chennel would be nice as this doubles for a theatre. i have the 601 onkyo receiver and a onkyo 506 sacd and as soon as they are in stock again (i havent checked in a few days ) ill have a 706 i think 5dvd carosel(onkyo). integrated is my prefrence for sure for cabling and simplification. a shagnasty 2 channell and run the rest off the 601 isnt out of the question either.