No More Analog High Def from Blu-ray

digitalvideo

No More Analog High Def from Blu-ray

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/no_more_analog_high_def_from_blu-ray/

ViperZ

Yup, seen this. The a-holes keep clamping up the "standards".

On the other hand, by the time these new restrictions will kick in, hopefully most of us will have video feeds thru HDMI (which is going up to 1.4 :mad: already).

digitalvideo

How future proof is current HDMI? Do I need to buy all new equipment so that HDMI 1.4 works with it? Will the bluray players coming out at this summer and at the end of the year be 1.4?

thuffman03

digitalvideo wrote: »

How future proof is current HDMI? Do I need to buy all new equipment so that HDMI 1.4 works with it? Will the bluray players coming out at this summer and at the end of the year be 1.4?

Who knows?

It upsets me that they are pushing everyone to HDMI. There is nothing wrong with Component Video!

digitalvideo

I was doing some searching and this answered some of my questions...

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#5

Vette C6.r

What are the advantages of 1.4 vs 1.3 ????

tonyb

Vette C6.r wrote: »

What are the advantages of 1.4 vs 1.3 ????

3-D content.

Danny Tse

The just released Sony Blu-ray players (with SACD) can be upgraded to HDMI v1.4 by a firmware upgrade later this summer. Starting at only $180 :rolleyes:

dkg999

Those creative china.com people are already marketing other decoders, I guess we've created a new niche for them!

grif32

tonyb wrote: »

3-D content.

1.3 HDMi will handle 3D. The HDMI 1.4 specification adds Ethernet-over-HDMI and a reverse direction audio feed called Audio Return Channel that both require an all new HDMI cable with an extra pair of signal conductors.

digitalvideo

Vette C6.r wrote: »

What are the advantages of 1.4 vs 1.3 ????

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#1

3D

HDMI Ethernet Channel
The HDMI 1.4 specification adds a data channel to the HDMI connection, enabling high-speed, bi-directional communication. Connected devices that include this feature can send and receive data via 100 Mb/sec Ethernet, making them instantly ready for any IP-based application. The HDMI Ethernet Channel allows internet-enabled HDMI devices to share an internet connection via the HDMI link, with no need for a separate Ethernet cable. It also provides the connection platform that will allow HDMI-enabled components to share content between devices.

Audio Return Channel
The new specification adds an audio channel that will reduce the number of cables required to deliver audio “upstream” from a TV to an A/V receiver for processing and playback. In cases where a TV features an internal content source, such as a built-in tuner or DVD player, the Audio Return Channel allows the TV to send audio data upstream to the A/V receiver via the HDMI cable, eliminating the need for an extra cable.

4K Resolution Support
The new specification enables HDMI devices to support extremely high HD resolutions, effectively four times the resolution of a 1080p device. Support for 4K allows the HDMI interface to transmit digital content at the same resolution as the state-of-the-art Digital Cinema systems used in many movie theaters.

•Expanded Support For Color Spaces
HDMI now supports color spaces designed specifically for digital still cameras, enabling more accurate color rendering when viewing digital photos. By supporting sYCC601, Adobe®RGB, and Adobe®YCC601, HDMI display devices are capable of displaying more accurate, life-like colors when connected to a digital camera.

•HDMI Micro Connector (Type D)
The HDMI Micro Connector is a significantly smaller 19-pin HDMI connector supporting up to 1080p resolutions for portable devices such as cell phones, portable media players, and digital cameras. This new connector is approximately 50% smaller than the size of the existing HDMI Mini connector.

•Automotive Connection System (Type E)
The Automotive Connection System is a cabling specification designed to be used for in-vehicle HD content distribution. The HDMI 1.4 specification provides a solution designed to meet the rigors and environmental issues commonly found in automobiles, such as heat, vibration and noise. Using the Automotive Connection System, car manufacturers now have a viable solution for HD distribution within a vehicle.

Sherardp

I'm not falling for it this time nor updating my gear due to a new spec. I probably won't get caught up into the new 3D stuff either, unless I upgrade my projector and it just so happens to support it. Also I wonder if Oppo will have a firmware upgrade for this with the BDP83/80. That would be nice.

comfortablycurt

A few days ago...I watched a tape on my VCR!!!:eek:

wutadumsn23

comfortablycurt wrote: »

A few days ago...I watched a tape on my VCR!!!:eek:

Holy crap Curt, now I know why you sold all your HT stuff.

-Jeff

comfortablycurt

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

Holy crap Curt, now I know why you sold all your HT stuff.

-Jeff

Wait...it gets better.

I actually have my VCR hooked up to my 2 channel pre. I still watch video tapes fairly frequently too. They sound great through my SDA's. My 2 channel source doubles as my DVD player, so it's hooked up to my 2 channel rig as well.

With SDA's, I don't really miss surround sound.:)

wutadumsn23

*Scratches head* Do you have running water Curt?? LOL

-Jeff

cnh

Sherardp wrote: »

I'm not falling for it this time nor updating my gear due to a new spec. I probably won't get caught up into the new 3D stuff either, unless I upgrade my projector and it just so happens to support it. Also I wonder if Oppo will have a firmware upgrade for this with the BDP83/80. That would be nice.

I agree. I'm not going to worry about this. But it IS stupid to DOWNCONVERT all analog.....fortunately I have enough upconverting devices NOT to have to EVER worry about that one!

cnh

cnh

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Wait...it gets better.

I actually have my VCR hooked up to my 2 channel pre. I still watch video tapes fairly frequently too. They sound great through my SDA's. My 2 channel source doubles as my DVD player, so it's hooked up to my 2 channel rig as well.

With SDA's, I don't really miss surround sound.:)

You know Curt, depending on how the soundtrack was recorded on a VCR tape it can be AMAZINGLY good!

The picture, on the other hand, NOT so much!

cnh

unc2701

BlueFox wrote: »

While copy protection sucks, this is not that big of a deal. If anyone does not have an HDMI connection on their AVR by 2013 the odds are they could care less about either picture quality, or sound quality.

This is all fine for a single system, but a distributed AV system with HDMI is clunky as all hell. You have to use repeaters or baluns for the long runs, the handshaking is twitchy and fails when you switch sources... the list goes on. Installers hate HDMI with good reason.

I'll probably have a mix- distributed cable, HTPC, & DVD via component, then a local HDMI source for my HT.


Oh yeah, and there's also the sheer stupidity of it. This has nothing to do with copy protection. If you want a copy of the disc, you don't use the **** component outputs of the player. You rip the disc!!! This is an **** maneuver to get people to upgrade, protected by DMCA.

reeltrouble1

welcome to the machine.

RT1

dkg999

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

welcome to the machine.

RT1

ha ha, so right you are

cstmar01

Stupid stupid. I don't get why they are doing this. just to make more money it seems like so everyone switches over.

dkg999

In a market with challenges where pulling demand via innovation isn't working to the level needed, you have to eliminate things like backwards compatibility to push demand and adoption. Those of us who really care and understand this issue are the outliers and insignificant segment in a marketing strategy. The mass market just wants to shake the box, push a button, and have it work.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I always maintained that HD DVD was the more consumer-friendly format, things like this just strengthen my point.

I say Bring Back HD DVD!

polkatese

but isn't it the nature of technology-driven progress?

I don't like it as much as the next guy, but it is inevitable that eventually my PC will become obsolete, or 386/486 and Math Co-processors became a thing of the past.

unc2701

dkg999 wrote: »

In a market with challenges where pulling demand via innovation isn't working to the level needed, you have to eliminate things like backwards compatibility to push demand and adoption. Those of us who really care and understand this issue are the outliers and insignificant segment in a marketing strategy. The mass market just wants to shake the box, push a button, and have it work.

Yes, but they're NOT eliminating backwards compatibility. In fact, I'd be fine with it if they just said, "screw it, we're not putting component outputs on our players and you gotta pay more if you want them or buy a converter"... kinda like 5.1 RCA outputs before everyone had digital coax/ optical inputs.

Instead, they're taking a pretend issue, copy protection, and using it to completely eliminate your ability to use a certain tech. You cannot legally convert HDMI to component.

headrott

Maybe it has something to do with why the Fderal Government, yes the Federal Government wanted to switch all TV signals to digital. Again I will state that IMO the analog signal was better. Granted the resolution of the digital signal is a little better, but at least with analog you didn't get pixalation all over the screen when explosions and flashing lights go off during the TV shows and/or movies.

There may be a connection between the TV conversion and this blu-ray conversion.

Greg